Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 8 - And I Oop

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And that scum knows who it is.

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Hey I already agreed with you there.
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I thought maybe it was Han that they chose not to roleblock tonight and outright kill but it doesn't make sense for it to be him.

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Corrik7 posted...

MI, are you BP at all, yes or no?

No.

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I have a suspicion for who might be responsible, although scum trying to kill them doesn't exactly make sense to me either.

Unless they had doc narrowed down to either you or this person so they tried to block one kill one? But I'll wait and see what they say here.

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MI, if you haven't already can you just fully explain your role? I feel like it's been a show but don't tell thing.

Is it just day 1 quadvote and otherwise doublevote?

htaeD posted...

Hm?
Your power shows that someone visits or is visited by scum, right?
If you did not think I was scum, what did you want to get out of targeting me?

Why would I try to target Scum with my ability? That only makes sense if there are Scum roles who are targeting Scummates, which is totally possible, but not what the goal is.

I think it was Corrik or somebody yesterday who said aiming for the doc would be a way to turn the role into a scan. So I targeted you because I felt you were telegraphing doc.

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One day quadvote, otherwise doublevote.

The quadvote did not have to be day 1.

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Looking at the playerlist right now, I feel that the remaining Scum are Death, SBell (there now you can complain), and one or both of MZero/Ben. I think it's just MZero with the other two, but I guess there's an outside chance it's both Scum Psychic and Thief, but Scum Psychic feels weird with only 3 Town roles that target at night. Thief, of course, is a pretty weak power role.

Not touching Corrik with an x-foot pole, I can vaguely see the arguments for MI being Indy but Occulam's razor says not to bother with that rabbit hole. Outside chance Puns or Sultan could be Scum, but I *really* don't see Sultan as Scum.

I think Puns is Town but he's also the best Scum player on the board so it's worth not writing him off completely.

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I buy Thief/Psychic or Thief/Han's role co-existing a lot more than I buy Han's Role/Psychic together.

So by POE:

Corrik - town via role
Death - town via scan
MZero - town via role
SultanOfSlam - town via scan

Scum:
Ben OR Han (Heavily leaning Ben)
SBell
Puns, I guess!

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Oh no we lost topics 1 & 2

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@MZero11

Are you around or is it your sleeping time now?

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There's a website that logs faqs.


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Yeah

But that site is slow af and I hate using it.

I mean, I'll do it.

I'm just going to bitch about it while I do.

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Death, when did you claim and when did Mzero claim he scanned u

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death claimed in his first post of the game I think. or like right away, at least

Yeah Death claimed D1, Mzero claimed he scanned him last night.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Are you around or is it your sleeping time now?

I've just crawled into bed

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah Death claimed D1, Mzero claimed he scanned him last night.

Did death claim his flavor day 1? I just don't understand the whole flavor scan someone who claimed they scan as scum angle.

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han and mzero are competing for the honor of "scans so bad they can't be scum"

ben scum confirmed??

I don't think death was a bad scan. Miller can be checked by thief. Hearthstone had a rough year in 2019. In no world would it be a scum flavor with what we've seen flipped so far.

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Thank you MI :(

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I don't think your scans have been necessarily good or bad because I can't figure out how to correctly use that power.

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Death didn't claim hearthstone

I am
Everyone who helped the Hong Kong protests by bravely and courageously deleting their Hearthstone accounts for a week,
TOWN Miller.

benjamin3740 posted...

And I think back to the Suprak game with scum lawyer FD.

That was hosted by Chris btw

turbopuns3 posted...

Death didn't claim hearthstone

Right, he claimed Hearthstone players, or a subset of

Regardless, I can't think of anything that is Hearthstone related that was good enough to make the scum team here. Hearthstone in 2019 has been a PR nightmare and is much more likely to fit on town

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I'd say the 2019 meta for Hearthstone has been the best in years.

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If MZero is town, Han and Ben can both be scum right?

Cop/thief/self-confirming town feels fine for 17

Hey guys, been a whirlwind of a morning but I'm pretty much caught up now.

So i lied and i'm not vanilla. It may have been foolish of me to not just come out with it but I actually thought I might lure scum into revealing themselves by claiming to have prevented the kill somehow. At this point everyone has chimed in and it does us no good to keep anything in the dark because it will just lead to our demise.

Impeached Donald Trump, Bulletproof. I might have been impeached but my secret service still needs to protect me.

I do not know why I would have been shot at last night other than maybe they still had no idea who the doc was and/or I'm not exactly Doc savable and after the prior no kill they were just looking to dwindle the numbers.

I am still heavily leaning on Ben being scum. Town Thief just doesn't sit well with me however now it seems Sultan and MZero are linked. I'm not sure which order to kill them though to confirm the other or if thats even possible. I guess it makes the most sense to kill Mzero first but then we still have to kill Sultan anyway to be sure.

I think we find the remaining scum in Ben, MZero, Sultan and Puns (for lack of a better candidate) and further down i'd add Han in there (i suppose that really relies on Ben's flip).

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why would I try to target Scum with my ability? That only makes sense if there are Scum roles who are targeting Scummates, which is totally possible, but not what the goal is.

I think it was Corrik or somebody yesterday who said aiming for the doc would be a way to turn the role into a scan. So I targeted you because I felt you were telegraphing doc.

ahhhhh
I forgot that you dont see anything if the scum targets town.
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Hmmmmmmmmm
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I dont see how Sbell would ever be targeted by a NK. If scum was trying to shoot around protection, why him?
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TotallyNotMI posted...

Oh no we lost topics 1 & 2

use the logs
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off, I should wait to comment until I read everything.
sorry MI, I see your comment about the logs now.
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Well if they were hunting for the doctor within unclaimed / vanillas, shooting at SBell seems possible. And it's the only explanation for no NK last night.

But if I remove him from my POE then... there are issues.

Hm.

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If Sbell were to be town, Ben and Puns have to be the scum team.

But, if MI is Indy 1 shot BP multiple voter, then sbell is buying a night when MI alrdy can't win here.

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##unvote

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1) Ben
2) Corrik
3) Death
4) Han
6) MZero
7) Puns
8) Sbell
9) SultanOfSlam

So, claims that I trust right now. Corrik (no NK N3) and SBell (no NK N4). Removing them.

1) Ben
3) Death
4) Han
6) MZero
7) Puns
9) SultanOfSlam

If I trust MZero, I then also remove Death and Sultan.

1) Ben
4) Han
7) Puns

If this is the scum team, what does that leave town?

Doctor
BP
Cop
Thief
Multi-Voter
Killing Role
6 vanillas

vs

Roleblocker
Roleswapper
Extra Kill
Godfather
In this scenario, likely psychic

This... seems balanced enough. But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around Han and Ben both being scum who faked the investigative roles the same day with so many unclaimed still.

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If I don't buy MZero's claims, then that puts MZero, Death, and Sultan all back on the table. In this scenario, I would think Ben and Han both have to be town for balance purposes, even if their powers don't make sense together.

Cop
Psychic
Han's weird role
Multi-Voter
Killing Power
Doctor
BP
5 vanillas

vs

Roleblocker
Roleswapper
Godfather
Extra Kill
In this scenario, thief.

And this would leave for scum three of:
3) Death
6) MZero
7) Puns
9) SultanOfSlam

One of Death/Sultan would likely be scum here that MZero faked into his scan results to try to buy them some points.

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2 protection claims. 4 scanner claims. Multiple voter. Team vig shot. Miller.

Has to be 5 scum if MI is legit. 4 if he isn't.

Doctor
Bulletproof
Thief
Cop
Scumboy radar
multi voter
Miller
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Team Vig

Vs

Scum psychic
Role swapper
Role blocker
Godfather
Poisoner

Or

Doctor
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Miller
Thief
Cop
Team vig
Scumboy radar
Vanilla

Vs

1 time BP multi voter Indy

Vs.

Role swapper
Role blocker
Poisoner
Godfather

Hmmmm. Setup 1 more likely I guess.


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No way scum shot at Sbell. I'd sooner believe they shot no one. Sbell was nearly lynched yesterday and would have been a critical mislynch for them if he was town. Plus Sbell was already claimed Vanilla while Corrik and Mzero were unclaimed. Now Mzero could be scum, which is why maybe he wasnt shot, but Corrik for sure is a lot harder to lynch than Sbell and an unclaimed. It makes no sense why they would be doctor hunting and not pick Corrik to kill over Sbell.

My read on this is that scum Sbell is capitalizing on something stupid that happened to the scum team. Which is that they either forgot to submit a kill or third party shenanigans. I believe Shenanigans well before I'll ever believe they shot at Sbell

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Stop. MI... I see a problem.


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I also forgot to mention in my first scenario, Han being roleblocked repeatedly.

If he is scum who wasn't being roleblocked, they either were roleblocking blindly and having Han claim it, hoping to out a secret power claim with a counter claim to go 1 for 1 or purposefully not using their roleblock. Neither of these seem specifically likely, which I think is leading me to the conclusion that MZero is not a thief?


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Corrik7 posted...

Stop. MI... I see a problem.

I'm listening, because I'm thoroughly confusing myself here.

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benjamin3740 posted...

No way scum shot at Sbell. I'd sooner believe they shot no one. Sbell was nearly lynched yesterday and would have been a critical mislynch for them if he was town. Plus Sbell was already claimed Vanilla while Corrik and Mzero were unclaimed. Now Mzero could be scum, which is why maybe he wasnt shot, but Corrik for sure is a lot harder to lynch than Sbell and an unclaimed. It makes no sense why they would be doctor hunting and not pick Corrik to kill over Sbell.

My read on this is that scum Sbell is capitalizing on something stupid that happened to the scum team. Which is that they either forgot to submit a kill or third party shenanigans. I believe Shenanigans well before I'll ever believe they shot at Sbell

If Sbell is scum, MI is Indy. It is 100% assured.

Problem is roleblock meta highly points to you being scum, Ben.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I'm listening, because I'm thoroughly confusing myself here.

So, I want you to answer this. What would the thief have gotten if he went to scare at night who was godfather.

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Scare was Baby Yoda.

Depends on if Suprak is using Godfather as 'blocks cop but not thief' or 'blocks both scans.' I could see either.

Wait but he's posting role PMs. Let's see how that was worded.

Your adorableness protects you from cop scans, and you will show up as TOWN on any attempted scan of you.

<b>Any attempted scan</b>.

So the thief probably is legit.

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benjamin3740 posted...

Plus Sbell was already claimed Vanilla while Corrik and Mzero were unclaimed.

Umm, I claimed after Corrik.

And I have no answers as to why I was targeted, assuming that I was and it's not your theory of a no kill. But this is the same team that thought starscrwam was a good night 1 kill so...

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Scare was Baby Yoda.

Depends on if Suprak is using Godfather as 'blocks cop but not thief' or 'blocks both scans.' I could see either.

Wait but he's posting role PMs. Let's see how that was worded.

<b>Any attempted scan</b>.

So the thief probably is legit.

So how do you think it works in reverse with Miller.

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I was under the assumption starscream was the result of a bus driver kill, but clearly not at this point.

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