Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 8 - And I Oop

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Oh well wait han or mzero could potentially still confirm it.

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I'm very concerned how few people have been posting since Corrik and I had our long posts

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##Unvote:
##Vote: puns

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In my defense, I went to see a movie

Thinking about it, I dont see what makes Puns certified town. But Sbell supposedly being shot is also weird
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I'm still torn. I'm thinking puns has to be scum, I can't pick 3 that make sense without him, but it also feels weird to ignore the 3 investigation claims.

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Killing Puns sounds like a mistake made by accepting too many power claims. I realize that doing the math he looks like the best process of elimination target. But that's just because he's a vanilla claim. It's like there's suddenly not enough vanilla claims.

I've been town reading Puns prior to this, and it's stupid to eliminate him when I don't even trust a whopping 3 of the people claiming a power.

What I do know is that there's no world scum tried to straight up kill a town Sbell last night. And while it may be the "only explanation" for no kill last night.... it's a really unbelievable explanation. I'm sure it's scum capitalizing on an opportunity where the explanation is not clear.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I'm still torn. I'm thinking puns has to be scum, I can't pick 3 that make sense without him, but it also feels weird to ignore the 3 investigation claims.

I would not go as far as picking 3 then. Like that's just a bad move to make an assumption like that dictate the game. Its not proven how many members scum have. Maybe they had just 4 and one is a mayor.

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benjamin3740 posted...

I would not go as far as picking 3 then. Like that's just a bad move to make an assumption like that dictate the game. Its not proven how many members scum have. Maybe they had just 4 and one is a mayor.

A 4 man team makes no sense even if they had a mayor, which still is a ridiculous idea.

Unless you want to try to push MI as scum and it's a small team with a double voter.

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Well it doesn't have to be a mayor. Could be anything. And what about the idea makes no sense? I believe a quite recent game had an undersized scum team to make room for a strong scum power. It might have even been a suprak game

By the way it's interesting you claimed bulletproof and not 1-shot bullet proof, which is what im used to seeing. Is there any distinction for you?

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I'm very concerned how few people have been posting since Corrik and I had our long posts

sorry, been working and drawing

BP explains the lack of a nightkill. We have what, 9 alive?

3 or 2 Scum left.

With 3 Scum, a kill last night puts 3/8, which is one mislynch to win.

If 3 Scum, they wouldn't intentionally no kill for a long con.

If 2 Scum, MI is probably Scum on role meta?


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TotallyNotMI posted...

If you all are going to Lynch me just let me know asap so I can AFK out and not deal with this shit again.

Gets the slightest amount of pressure and reacts like this...

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Obellisk posted...

Hey guys, been a whirlwind of a morning but I'm pretty much caught up now.

So i lied and i'm not vanilla. It may have been foolish of me to not just come out with it but I actually thought I might lure scum into revealing themselves by claiming to have prevented the kill somehow. At this point everyone has chimed in and it does us no good to keep anything in the dark because it will just lead to our demise.

Impeached Donald Trump, Bulletproof. I might have been impeached but my secret service still needs to protect me.

I do not know why I would have been shot at last night other than maybe they still had no idea who the doc was and/or I'm not exactly Doc savable and after the prior no kill they were just looking to dwindle the numbers.

I am still heavily leaning on Ben being scum. Town Thief just doesn't sit well with me however now it seems Sultan and MZero are linked. I'm not sure which order to kill them though to confirm the other or if thats even possible. I guess it makes the most sense to kill Mzero first but then we still have to kill Sultan anyway to be sure.

I think we find the remaining scum in Ben, MZero, Sultan and Puns (for lack of a better candidate) and further down i'd add Han in there (i suppose that really relies on Ben's flip).

Anyone else bothered by this... why wait that long to actually come out and claim that? Like we obviously had no night kill but when we do a mass claim you claim vanilla and the no night kill left unanswered beacuse Doc was blocked seems like a oh hey let me change to this exsplain this idk it just seems very off to me

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Gets the slightest amount of pressure and reacts like this...

Always been an emotional player. Not exactly a tell one way or another. Does it moreso as town tbqh but could be something he would as Indy. Doubt it is anything scum related.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Anyone else bothered by this... why wait that long to actually come out and claim that? Like we obviously had no night kill but when we do a mass claim you claim vanilla and the no night kill left unanswered beacuse Doc was blocked seems like a oh hey let me change to this exsplain this idk it just seems very off to me

I just don't know how else u explain the no kill and setup meta says a single doctor makes no sense.

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The fact Han has been so damn unhelpful is my concern.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Anyone else bothered by this... why wait that long to actually come out and claim that? Like we obviously had no night kill but when we do a mass claim you claim vanilla and the no night kill left unanswered beacuse Doc was blocked seems like a oh hey let me change to this exsplain this idk it just seems very off to me

It may have been foolish of me to not just come out with it but I actually thought I might lure scum into revealing themselves by claiming to have prevented the kill somehow.

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Obellisk posted...

It may have been foolish of me to not just come out with it but I actually thought I might lure scum into revealing themselves by claiming to have prevented the kill somehow.

Okay thats fair

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Literally quoted my original post which you yourself quoted and all of the sudden it's ok?

##vote: Sultan

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Obellisk posted...

Literally quoted my original post which you yourself quoted and all of the sudden it's ok?

##vote: Sultan

I mean not really but its fair that you waited for that reason but doesnt make it look any better

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Sbell with a weak ass vote on me then leaves sweet... but seriously where is everyone

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Alright, I've let this go on long enough. You all can relax lol...SBell is still scum. He's just rolling over for whatever reason. I guess as a last ditch effort to try to stir up paranoia because they screwed up and are running low on mislynches.

##vote: SBell

I'm Town Bulletproof. Same flavor I already told you -- Peter Mayhew. It says that I'm wearing my chewbacca costume and nobody would be brave enough to mess with me in that.

Wanted to see how everyone reacted to his claim before I interjected. Would rather wait on MZero too but at this point I want to give us at least 24 hours to process everything.

Corrik and MI seem extremely town based on reactions to SBell's claim.

Scum knows this counter was coming before he even claimed it so I waited to see if I could discern any town.

Ben, wow you're like a dang wizard or something huh. Absolutely unwavering faith in your read. Did not even consider blinking at that BP fake...

Well okay shit! Wow puns bomb

##unvote:MI
##vote: sbell

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Han, I am having trouble figuring out if he's demotivated town who mislynched or demotivated scum who potentially punted the game by failing to kill 2 consecutive nights.

My primary working scum suspects at the moment are sbell at 99.9%, followed by mzero/sultan

The alternate if we need another depends on who I am wrong about. If I'm wrong about Sultan, it's Death. If I'm wrong about MZero, then Han/Ben

Literally claimed BP on page 1 btw >_>

turbopuns3 posted...

Literally claimed BP on page 1 btw >_>

Soft claim if i remember and corrik thought it was scum bp

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Here I wrote this earlier while I was eating metaphorical popcorn after the SBell claim

>be puns.
>roll Town BP.
>be cute and dumb for no reason like always. breadcrumb page 1.
>instant-corrik: "R U CLAIMING BULLETPROOF??"
>oh poop.
>be honest. say yes.
>how to cover and not waste role?
>claim confirmable. maybe scum go for me N1?
>*COP RED LYNCHED*
>poop.
>get PM from host(!)
>secret chat?!?
>lea and chris??????
>excite!
>10 minutes in chat, chris: "do exactly what I say right now or else you are scum"
>recall chris did not change vote to save red.
>squint eyes at chris.
>say "let's wait".
>realize you can fake dayvig. maybe confirm as town and draw a shot!
>want to share full idea with committee, but eyes still squinted at chris.
>vote chris to test reaction. see if committee is vibing well.
>chris: stands up and flips the whole monopoly board off the table onto the floor. roars. stomps out of the room.
>welp.
>pout over squandered role potential.
>get sick.
>get sicker.
>wake up.
>read lea and chris levels of frustration in chat.
>un-squint eyes.
>compromise.
>follow chris. scum lynch!
>*TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS DEAD*
>oh. scum trying to frame me?
>probably just killed chris b/c chris. killed lea because extra kill -> politician confirmed town.
>pass along the good word of chris.
>chris said han town.
>chris said lynch blade.
>try to solve game w/ blade as scum.
>post overly confident game solution. hope to be shot (either b/c right or wrong)
>lynch blade. scum!
>no kill?! LOL!!!
>still same # of MLs though.
>chris said if blade=scum, lynch sbell.
>support HB lynch anyway because ego now big b/c no death.
>final hour before lynch.
>have doubts. not strong enough to stop HB lynch though.
>switch to sbell anyway.
>*HB IS TOWN*
>pout.
>ponder why not listen to Chris.
>decide mafia is not fun.
>NO KILL AGAIN LMAOOOOOO
>mafia is fun again.
>prepare popcorn. body is ready for the show.
>wow corrik town af.
>sbell lololololol
>corrik/MI so town.
>ben no buy sbell even for a second? does sound like ben actually tbqh.
>now-trusted corrik makes good case for town Han.
>look at setup.
>han/ben town makes most sense.
>scum team probably sbell/mzero/sultan.
>death maybe.

Oh snap

I have to say puns looks better of the BP claims, and makes more sense as a NK target

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That's why I was vocally torn about the mass claim last day, btw. I mean, I wasn't going to claim BP on that day regardless (unless maybe someone claimed it?), but, I couldn't really know if I got shot or if it was a doctor save. So I kind of didn't want the doc to claim for that reason. But at the same time I was pretty sure at least 2 of the unclaimed people were scum, and I figured there was no way scum would actually manage to NK again, but here we are.

I hate the thought of MI's role being scum with a roleswapper so much that I'm not considering that even remotely possible. Maybe bad meta but that just seems dumb.

I don't get the reasoning that's supposed to make Ben and Han not coexist as town. Let's say the town powers are Cop/Doctor/Kid pimp, and they all target the psychic the same time. Ok, cool you confirmed the cop/doctor but you also...outed them? So...good job? I don't find it to be broken. Not to mention the possibility of godfather sneaking in there.

I'm not sure why you'd want to play this game puns But sure let's do this. What do you gain here? I get lynched and then so do you?

##unvote
##vote: puns

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Read MZero and Sultan's interaction surrounding the same time again. That was...really just very odd.

Ben, you seem to have unwavering town reads on both death and sultan. Can you elaborate on those? Cuz the only ways I can see them both as town all leave me scratching my head a little.

I admire your dedication SBell

Thank god I'm so glad you claimed that Puns. The world makes sense now.

Lol If I'm gonna die for being right, well, better than dying for making dumb mistakes.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Read MZero and Sultan's interaction surrounding the same time again. That was...really just very odd.

Ben, you seem to have unwavering town reads on both death and sultan. Can you elaborate on those? Cuz the only ways I can see them both as town all leave me scratching my head a little.

Not gonna lie i was a bit tipsy the. And was just super excited someone wanted to interact with me lol

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Also thought i was going to have to claim anyways so might as well have seen if mzero was legit. Not to mention i thought i was going to have to claim a couple days ago so thats why i posted about like oh i died in 2019 too but then no one said anything about it do i was like oh well maybe i dont have to claim and didnt mention it again and was super paranoid that i was going to look scum for that and being town is hard man exsphally not having a power to hid behind.. i mean love your game play puns but man being town is hard and if you think im still scum then well idk what to say to you man

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turbopuns3 posted...

Read MZero and Sultan's interaction surrounding the same time again. That was...really just very odd.

Ben, you seem to have unwavering town reads on both death and sultan. Can you elaborate on those? Cuz the only ways I can see them both as town all leave me scratching my head a little.

Death claimed Miller, so I initially threw him in the tentative town pile for that. Day 1 I even thought he sounded pretty scummy, but the Miller claim held me off. Day 2, he starts to do some good analysis, make some good points and reads, I start to town read him outside of just the miller claim. Then Scare flips Godfather, and that cements for me that Death is really town Miller. No way that if Death was on the scum team with a godfather he would have claimed Miller. Reason being, the odds of being counter claimed by a real miller are too high. Death plays scum like I do - prioritizing survival. Making claims to coast on or disrupt the game isnt in his playstyle at all, he feels he can get by on his own merits.

Sultan, he just came out of the gate very genuine to me. I'd have to go search for the posts, but there are many examples throughout the days of posts he made that I just cant see coming from a scum perspective. In the end, this is just a town read. But this is a big one. Some might even say, he belongs in an ***OFFICIAL*** something something of ***CONFIRMED*** something or another. Chris also heavily town read him. Much like HB. You might say I've been copying Chris on those reads, but technically he copied me. Nevertheless I still value his opinion

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turbopuns3 posted...

Ben, wow you're like a dang wizard or something huh. Absolutely unwavering faith in your read. Did not even consider blinking at that BP fake...

It's funny now how scummy I must seem for that >_> Please believe that as scum if I knew Sbell was faking then I would have intentionally believed him so as to not tip my hand that I knew what was going on. It is rare I dont believe a claim at face value. But his claim broke my understanding of the game, and the one solace I had was my refusal to believe that scum would try to kill him.

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benjamin3740 posted...

It's funny now how scummy I must seem for that >_> Please believe that as scum if I knew Sbell was faking then I would have intentionally believed him so as to not tip my hand that I knew what was going on. It is rare I dont believe a claim at face value. But his claim broke my understanding of the game, and the one solace I had was my refusal to believe that scum would try to kill him.

It looks eve scummier now that you brought it up >_>

So now we have 4 investigation claims and bulleproofs. Who do we sort out first?

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We kill confirmed scum Sbell. Hope that he's roleblocker. Have an investigative 3-way tonight. Which will definitely reveal the alignment of me and you. Not so much Han unless he is scum and lies about the result he got on you. We kill someone with that information because there's no way we're all town. MI reveals he is third party necromancer and rises IGCD from the grave. We lynch IGCD and he's town again. Puns eats metaphorical popcorn

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Puns with an even worse BP claim than the first one.

I gotta think that over.

Why would scum that shot Puns and NK after I alrdy said I was roleblocked as cop claim BP knowing the other person alrdy had to of been one.

What is Sbells motivation there.

That said, Sbell looks terrible this game from play wise.

So, I will think it over.

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I'm tired so that came out as garbage but yinZ understand the gist.

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Corrik7 posted...

Why would scum that shot Puns and NK after I alrdy said I was roleblocked as cop claim BP knowing the other person alrdy had to of been one.

Perhaps because a majority of players in the game already said they are fine with lynching him today? He's toast.

I mean...outside chance by some crazy coincidence, they actually did flub the actions and fail to submit a kill or something, and didn't know I was BP. But realistically, nah. In either case the writing was already on the wall for SBell.

And if we have two town BPs then "lol"

Ben if you are town and I'm town, and Sultan and Death are both town, then the only conceivable scum team of 3 that I can imagine is SBell/MZero/Han

Which would mean town has a Cop, a psychic, and one self-confirming person. In a setup where scum has a godfather and a roleswapper. The godfather fools the cop and can't target the psychic unless shooting. The roleswapper can't target the psychic unless shooting, and has the potential to make the cop even worse via a second innocent scan on scum. Then they have presumably a roleblocker, maybe a jack who knows.

Idk doesn't town feel weak on investigation?

All This VOTALS And This Fame Got Me Heartless:
[3] SBell - (Corrik), ben, (MI2), puns, Sultan
[2] puns - MI, SBell
[1] ben - MZero, (MI), (MI2)
[0] Sultan - (SBell)
[0] MI - (Sultan)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends at 9 PM CST tomorrow!

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Well, I'm not sure tbh. I'm trying to think that far ahead, but don't want to have to consider someone like Sultan as scum. MI still bothers me. The scum team could be 4 large and he's third party.

The thing is, Sultan and Death are also confirmed by Mzero. For either of them to be scum, Mzero also has to be scum right?

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benjamin3740 posted...

The thing is, Sultan and Death are also confirmed by Mzero. For either of them to be scum, Mzero also has to be scum right?

Well my current view is basically yours but swap in one of sultan/death instead of han so...sure?

And the only way for Mzero to be town is if the remaining scum team is simply Sbell/Han.

So basically, it's the same thing I've been saying since day stinkin 3. Blast Blade, Sbell, Mzero, Han and win

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turbopuns3 posted...

Well my current view is basically yours but swap in one of sultan/death instead of han so...sure?

Well if we're looking for one of Death/Sultan to be scum, it means Mzero must be scum which means they would have had to fake a flavor scan together.

Thinking about that, it does make Sultan look worse since the mistimed claims could have been because they were looking out for each other to make sure they were both on the same page before making any contradictions.

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