Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 5 - Hamberders

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Corrik7 posted...

No. I didn't attempt to save red. Never said I did. You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole here.

You advocated for his not being lynched. Is that not true?
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Hbthebattle posted...

You advocated for his not being lynched. Is that not true?

That is not true.

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Corrik7 posted...

HB weren't you number 2 in votes? Are you seriously, as supposed town, questioning why people didn't vote supposed town over supposed town at deadline? If you are town, you know the lynch was town-town.
Scum couldn't know anymore than Town that red was actually cop or not til he flipped.

You misunderstand my point. I'm not trying to blame you for killing Red. I'm trying to point out how this line of logic is broken and it shouldn't be used to put Chris at -2.
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Corrik7 posted...

That is not true.

Corrik7 posted...

I highly doubt red is cop, but it is mafia 101 not to lynch that day 1.

This sure looks like "Advocating to not lynch him" to me!
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Hbthebattle posted...

You misunderstand my point. I'm not trying to blame you for killing Red. I'm trying to point out how this line of logic is broken and it shouldn't be used to put Chris at -2.

My line of thought isn't broken. You are trying to make an argument that doesn't exist to defend Chris. Chris can easily defend himself yet you are championing the cause with faulty logic.

I never at once did what you are saying I did. Yet, you are trying to use it to defend Chris. Besides that point, it is moot. I didn't know due to 20 years of being friends with dear Red that he was town, as Chris stated.

In fact, I advocated that I was willing to lynch red multiple times throughout the day for various reasons and had my vote on him prior to MIs vote dump.

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Can we stop pretending I wasn't on a viable lynch

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Hbthebattle posted...

This sure looks like "Advocating to not lynch him" to me!

That is me stating why I wouldn't be voting him. You just are trying to make an argument out of thin air.

Show me one post where I said for someone not to lynch red. Or to unvote or anything of the such. I would say I have played this game fairly well-reasoned all around. That's a lynch I am not prepared to make due to 101 reasons. If others have the balls for that risk-reward then so be it. I'll just hope they are right or can glean information from the lynch if not.

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Last five minutes for Chris. Plead to not vote red. Hope some ok ne votes igcd. Realize it isn't going to happen. Try to vote. Keep typoing.

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Corrik7 posted...

That is me stating why I wouldn't be voting him. You just are trying to make an argument out of thin air.

Show me one post where I said for someone not to lynch red. Or to unvote or anything of the such. I would say I have played this game fairly well-reasoned all around. That's a lynch I am not prepared to make due to 101 reasons. If others have the balls for that risk-reward then so be it. I'll just hope they are right or can glean information from the lynch if not.

Wait, so you're saying that post was purely for your own reasons, and not meant to convince anyone else to not lynch the cop claim? Is that what you're arguing?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Last five minutes for Chris. Plead to not vote red. Hope some ok ne votes igcd. Realize it isn't going to happen. Try to vote. Keep typoing.

I'd believe that if you said "vote IGCD" in that hoping phase.

I'd be more inclined you were town if you simply just said hey I was sure red was town but I started to consider if I was wrong this was the only way I was gonna see it.

But, that is moot because as Town you have too much pride to admit that and would rather seem right. And, as scum, that obviously isn't true.

So, the scenario which makes me think you most town out of what happened basically can't exist.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Wait, so you're saying that post was purely for your own reasons, and not meant to convince anyone else to not lynch the cop claim? Is that what you're arguing?

It is readily apparent.

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Here I thought me badgering igcd for the previous 50 minutes might mean something.

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Honestly, HB, you would be better off arguing I was goading people to lynch red there than I was trying to get people off his lynch.

That's how far off base your argument is.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Like, let's look at this rationally

which of these sounds more responsible for the red lynch

OR

Scare was more responsible, as was I.

But Scare and I were lynching who we thought was scum.

Chris said the right things to push for saving red but took no action to stop it.

So in hindsight, which looks scummier? Being excited to lynch the person you spent all day wanting to lynch or stepping back and not saving someone you spent all day calling town?

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why was your vote nowhere anyway?

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That was for corrik

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htaeD posted...

That was for corrik

Wasn't interested too much and only paid attention to half the day anyways.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

Scare was more responsible, as was I.

But Scare and I were lynching who we thought was scum.

Chris said the right things to push for saving red but took no action to stop it.

So in hindsight, which looks scummier? Being excited to lynch the person you spent all day wanting to lynch or stepping back and not saving someone you spent all day calling town?

Some might say trying to reason with people is an action. Not that you listened.

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My mistake was thinking mi is a good player tbh. I thought he could be reasoned with.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Some might say trying to reason with people is an action. Not that you listened.

Half measures. Perhaps even quarter measures tbqh.

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A quarter measure with a quad voter is one full measure though. Math, bitch

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also pointing fingers at who is directly responsible for reds death is 66 % a waste of time when there is no way that a quadvoter gets to be scum.

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Corrik7 posted...

Wasn't interested too much and only paid attention to half the day anyways.

How inconvenient...

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Also I am going to claim this lynch doesn't count against my streak. I dont acknowledge the people on me as human beings and therefore my streak of not being lynched will be in tact v

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I also feel like a lot of your posts today have come from the perspective to manipulate me emotionally to get me to doubt myself and not end up voting you 4x times. Which, granted, town wouldn't want done to them either, but the tactics feel scummier.

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Actually my posts today come from seething rage and trying my very best not to break you emotionally.

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htaeD posted...

How inconvenient...

I play mostly on my phone at work. Guess what days I was off this week.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I am going to claim this lynch doesn't count against my streak. I dont acknowledge the people on me as human beings and therefore my streak of not being lynched will be in tact v

I didn't know you were an Ulti alt. Lol.

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TotallyNotMI posted...

I also feel like a lot of your posts today have come from the perspective to manipulate me emotionally to get me to doubt myself and not end up voting you 4x times. Which, granted, town wouldn't want done to them either, but the tactics feel scummier.

You can't vote 4 times today. I seen this role plenty. I believe Ulti gave it to Suprak in WWE mafia or something with regards to tables. You get 4 votes, then 2, then 1 for the rest of the game


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Also I don't think it counts as emotional manipulation to point out there was a game where you were very wrong day 1, were going to come after me day 2, and you were wrong then. That's not an emotional thing that's hoping to whatever God will listen, which is likely to be none, that you realize you are misguided. I am trying to appeal to anything that works because I mean, what can I say you are throwing the game here. Nothing logical is going to work because I pointed it out before and no one cares because ChRiS iS SCuM

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I don't think it counts as emotional manipulation to point out there was a game where you were very wrong day 1, were going to come after me day 2, and you were wrong then. That's not an emotional thing that's hoping to whatever God will listen, which is likely to be none, that you realize you are misguided. I am trying to appeal to anything that works because I mean, what can I say you are throwing the game here. Nothing logical is going to work because I pointed it out before and no one cares because ChRiS iS SCuM

Yeah, but if you were scum, you would be saying the same things too.

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I mean let's play this out, again I know I am wasting my time but I am just annoyed now so hey I've wasted my time on worse things.

I am Scum and I decide to defend Red throughout the day. At various points I go into detail about how he posts and how I don't think that is a scum red action. Then when he is in the lead and claims cop I decide "you know what? Let's let red be lynched" but the thing is as scum I have absolutely no control over that. We know what happened, but Scum Chris with the vote 6-5 has no idea where votes are going to go. In fact I think the votes ending that way is kind of absurd in how it happened. Why would anyone with calculation ever assume that the final would be 6-5? It is what happened but it's not the likely result. What does scum Chris lose by being consistent, just happily switching his vote to HB, and seeing what happens.

Now if you think HB is scum with me that's a bit reasonable. I was put in a tough spot, I was n town IGCD trying to save HB, MI confused me. But then you should be trying to resolve day 1 and voting HB, not me in that line of thought.

This day has essentially been very poor mafia theory crafting over all, or scum manipulation or a lot of both. I have explained the wagonomics previously and that had 0 emotional manipulation but just no one cared. No one cares to even try to resolve Day 1 other than "Chris didn't vote for the guy he thought seemed OK at the speed of light when a curve ball was thrown 8 minutes before day end. What a scum."

There is no argument against that logically because it is devoid of logic, so like shrug you know?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also I am going to claim this lynch doesn't count against my streak. I dont acknowledge the people on me as human beings and therefore my streak of not being lynched will be in tact v

Wow way to be a dick... you got caught get over yourself

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I am the God-King of Mafia. You are all peasants. Bow before my majesty or perish in the burning light of hell.

Look if I am going to be lynched for the first time in 9 years I might as well make you all miserable with me.

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I just personally do not buy that. Luckily for you, I think you/Lea/or scare is scum. And just 1 of you. So, I don't think you are 100%!

Blade honestly may be the best lynch today, if not Lea based on scum backfire plans. That said, if Lea is town it just hurts us.

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(do people seriously think I say things like this with a straight face? <_<)

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am the God-King of Mafia. You are all peasants. Bow before my majesty or perish in the burning light of hell.

Look if I am going to be lynched for the first time in 9 years I might as well make you all miserable with me.

Lol okay this actually made me laugh carry on

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Sultan does it ever bother you that you have voted for me literally every game we've played together where you are town?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sultan does it ever bother you that you have voted for me literally every game we've played together where you are town?

Hey i was right twice... and if people would have listened to me the one game town might have actually stood a chance.. so. i have like a 2/8 average so being right roughly 25% of the time id say no??

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You do know that is worse than just letting rng decide your vote when you factor in as town you are removed from the rng pool, right?

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I mean Puns might still lawyer the lynch if it goes to Chris..
<.< >.>

Btw I find it very interesting that absolutely noone has voted HB today.

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I am pretty sure even if Puns is a mayor the novelty of letting me die will be too great for him to pass up.

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I do have to say going like "oh, town Chris was lynched. Neat" is indeed noteworthy for this game.

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But you're not town.... if you were i dont think you just whine about it instead of actully pushing your agenda...

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The more Chris talks the more he looks like scum.

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In fairness my agenda is murdering Han and right now we're one puns vote from making that a thing so really my agenda is going OK.

Plus, it's pretty useless to push an agenda onto someone else if people are murdering you as you do so. The fact that I am at -2 means I am very likely to be lynched and since you are OK with less than rng odds of your history of lynching me dictating your ability to read me (read: you can't, you just suspect me every time!) then "logic" and "reason" come off as "whining" so I mean yeah.

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Corrik7 posted...

The more Chris talks the more he looks like scum.

Joke is on you, I am typing not talking.

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Leanansidhe posted...

Wait, really? No one is voting 105% confirmed scum HB? The guy whose alignment is dictating people's arguments on Chris's alignment?

HBs alignment could go either way with scum Chris, tbh. Would scum Chris prefer town HB or town red dead?

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I remain amused, as I always do at these types of junctures, when people talk about scum Chris and prove yet again no one has any idea what the fuck they are doing.

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