Board 8 > Eff 2019 Mafia: Topic 5 - Hamberders

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Yeah I suspect lea's role a bit too. Why I just spilled all the information today so that she couldnt fake anything later

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

It just seems odd to let the guy who you were pretty sure was Town and also claimed Cop die as opposed to a guy whose day 1 contributions were ignoring that pressure voting is a thing and making things up. At the very least, forcing a tiebreaker situation lets you draw more reads from other people in how they handle it, especially with a claimed Cop in that pool.

Lynching scum is always my top priority. Also I had lea and puns ready to make me look like a day vig today for fun but I decided to be transparent instead. Good luck trying to spin that one.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

One of these days you're going to realize that I'm not suspicious of you every game. Hell, I think the last time I was, you said I always went after you and there were like, three games before that one where I didn't?

You've conditioned me to be wary.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yeah I suspect lea's role a bit too. Why I just spilled all the information today so that she couldnt fake anything later

What is your take on puns being there too? I want to believe in order to balance It for scum to have it would need to be two towns to make it work.

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Obellisk posted...

What is your take on puns being there too? I want to believe in order to balance It for scum to have it would need to be two towns to make it work.

I concur

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lynching scum is always my top priority. Also I had lea and puns ready to make me look like a day vig today for fun but I decided to be transparent instead. Good luck trying to spin that one.

Why would I try to spin that? I really don't think you're Scum.

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Lea, only a Sith speaks in absolutes.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I don't really see the logic there. Given that throughout the day I gave nuanced reasons why I thought red was town. I could have just used my pre established illness to skip end of day. Or vote hb and not really care which town member dies because red is then perma blocked.

You really have to stretch for me to look bad from how I handled red. But it seems like we want to stretch so hey what can I do

I think the pint here is that MI caught everyone so offguard that nobody on scums side had time to come up with a plan to justifiably let red die.

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It passed through my mind that red faked watcher as scum recently. Easy tovl use that as an excuse to let him hang!

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Lea recruiting Chris could also be indicative of an erroneous scum perspective, if say

scum had no way of killing a townChris normally because they have no assassin/strongman

Only for them not to realize town doesnt know that and wouldnt think that.

But it doesnt matter when she already presented the possible explanation of not reading the PM that well (which I can sadly see Lea do seeing as how wacky she acted day1)

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I am just saying chris getting caught off guard is a pretty rude premise.

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Hm maybe the person whose been trying to push a lynch based on the last 5 minutes of the day is scum
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am just saying chris getting caught off guard is a pretty rude premise.

Technically you admitted to that though.
Mind you I presume if you had been perfectly healthy you probably wouldnt have been unable to react in time.

Still, I thought you said you wanted to unvote earlier?

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Leanansidhe posted...

If I was scum, I would have picked much friendlier and soft-willed town members to ensure this goes off. But I guess that's especially weak WIFOM since this has also proven to be a poor choice for Town and I'm just waiting to get mislynched after never getting to use my power at this point. I'm almost completely checked out. At that awkward point where no one will believe a word I say so it's not super fun. Ah well! The role is still a cool idea.

If anything the one member of your team that refuses to play along is the bigger suspect.

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htaeD posted...

If anything the one member of your team that refuses to play along is the bigger suspect.

I mean, he almost certainly lied about his claim, so there's that
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Leanansidhe posted...

Is that really the the quip you wanna make when you've been calling people 100% town and scum all game?

I always do that! And to be fair, it's 105% Town, not 100% Town.

Hbthebattle posted...

Hm maybe the person whose been trying to push a lynch based on the last 5 minutes of the day is scum

Why are you so afraid to have the end of day analyzed, hmm?

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Hbthebattle posted...

Hm maybe the person whose been trying to push a lynch based on the last 5 minutes of the day is scum

First of all, who are you talking about? That covers more than half the game.
Second, I know you are in a unique position here, but this is a shadow that wont go away HB.

The odds of no scum being involved at all with the way that no votes changed at all after red claimed cop seems unlikely to me.
So I can understand players focusing on those 5 minutes.
But I understand that people shouldnt be treating it as if the whole day was about red VS you/IGCD

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Anyway at this rate I dont think I wanna lynch Lea, even though I still do not trust her fully

##Unvote

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why are you so afraid to have the end of day analyzed, hmm?

Why are you so afraid of the other 47 hours and 55 minutes? Why are you acting like Chris alone is responsible for the Red lynch instead of the people pushing the Red lynch or the people who were actually on the red lynch? You don't talk about MZero or Scare despite them being more responsible than Lea or Chris, not to mention the literal quadvoter.
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Like, let's look at this rationally

which of these sounds more responsible for the red lynch

Fastbreak posted...

Nope

Too late for a cop claim to save you red

Boom bye scum

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

MI I have known red for 20 years can you please not.

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Why are you so afraid of the other 47 hours and 55 minutes?

I'm not.

Why are you acting like Chris alone is responsible for the Red lynch instead of the people pushing the Red lynch or the people who were actually on the red lynch?

I'm not.

You don't talk about MZero or Scare despite them being more responsible than Lea or Chris, not to mention the literal quadvoter.

I've specifically spoken about MI. Were MZero or Scare around end of day? I've been focused on the people who could have saved Red by voting you, but didn't. And then the whole Chris/Lea/Puns thing came out and I've been sure Lea is Scum since.

I mean, it's theoretically possible that IGCD is Scum here and not you, but you're wayyyyyyyyy more likely.

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htaeD posted...

Second, I know you are in a unique position here, but this is a shadow that wont go away HB.

A unique position, eh? Sounds like you know I'm telling the truth.
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Leanansidhe posted...

If I was scum, I would have picked much friendlier and soft-willed town members to ensure this goes off. But I guess that's especially weak WIFOM since this has also proven to be a poor choice for Town and I'm just waiting to get mislynched after never getting to use my power at this point. I'm almost completely checked out. At that awkward point where no one will believe a word I say so it's not super fun. Ah well! The role is still a cool idea.

No you wouldn't have.

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Oh wait Scare said that? lol

Does Scare play that loosely in regards to power roles?

Anyway, in truth, both are equally responsible. But once again, you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said to fit your agenda.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Like, let's look at this rationally

which of these sounds more responsible for the red lynch

OR

Chris. He is pleading for someone to unvote while doing nothing himself to tie up the votes while also not making a decent case for someone else. If anything, it looks like scum trying to paint the I tried to reason with MI, but he just wouldn't listen angle.

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Scares sounds more like something too brazen for scum to say.

Scares end day issues are not there but in his "has the day ended yet" post.

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Hbthebattle posted...

I mean, he almost certainly lied about his claim, so there's that

I also just realized that the third member being Chris means Lea picked possibly the least influence-able player ever.
After Corrik of course.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Anyway, in truth, both are equally responsible. But once again, you're intentionally misrepresenting what I said to fit your agenda.

But that's not what you've been saying all game
For example
HanOfTheNekos posted...

Chris
Lea
Ben
Blade
SBell

Why did you guys choose to have Red lynched?

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Hbthebattle posted...

A unique position, eh? Sounds like you know I'm telling the truth.

I only meant unique in as far as you being the only one who knows whether or not the lynch opposite of red is town

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also I find it odd again that Han has no idea how much Scare affected reds death

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htaeD posted...

I also just realized that the third member being Chris means Lea picked possibly the least influence-able player ever.
After Corrik of course.

If scum has to pick town. They 1. Wanna pick people they know will be alive. And 2. People that make sense to pick so there isn't questions of why them. And 3. It literally does not matter if they lynch scum or town there. Lea can just hide behind that Chris and puns made the decision basically. And Chris and puns have a 60% chance or so to guess wrong.

This is assuming Chris is town and Lea is scum in that scenario.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

And then the whole Chris/Lea/Puns thing came out and I've been sure Lea is Scum since.

But you've been "sure" Lea is scum before that was revealed
HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nice try but you're basically confirmed Scum at this point lol

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On the other hand, if Lea is scum and has to pick two town. Her role kinda backfires if she confirms two town at the risk of herself. Which is why I don't think it is a slam dunk she is scum.

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I didnt think of it that way, Corrik.
Has a chance to backfire though. Unless of course Lea can also recruit a 2nd scum.
But this is all too theoretical to be useful

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htaeD posted...

I didnt think of it that way, Corrik.
Has a chance to backfire though. Unless of course Lea can also recruit a 2nd scum.
But this is all too theoretical to be useful

She probably as scum wouldn't be able to recruit a scum because then it's just a scum Lynch and what's the point of the town voice in it. The 2 scum would vote through any lynch regardless.

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Corrik7 posted...

Chris. He is pleading for someone to unvote while doing nothing himself to tie up the votes while also not making a decent case for someone else. If anything, it looks like scum trying to paint the I tried to reason with MI, but he just wouldn't listen angle.

Corrik, this is hypocritical of you
Corrik7 posted...

I highly doubt red is cop, but it is mafia 101 not to lynch that day 1.

You were around at EOD, told people not to lynch the cop claim, yet "refused to save him", in Han's words, yourself. Why blame Chris if you're unwilling to blame yourself?
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It would undoubtedly have to be a 67% town, 33% scum committee if scum is running it. So, either Lea is town or both Chris and puns are town. Which brings the question of whether or not Lea's lynch today has extra value at possibly confirming two town.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik, this is hypocritical of you

You were around at EOD, told people not to lynch the cop claim, yet "refused to save him", in Han's words, yourself. Why blame Chris if you're unwilling to blame yourself?

I didn't plead anyone to not vote red. I said I didn't believe he was cop, mostly cuz no flavor with his claim. I also said it was mafia 101 not to lynch it. Lopen would disagree with my assertion.

It is not hypocritical of me. I was well-reasoned and did unvote when MI dropped 4 votes on red.

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You simply don't lynch power role claims when unclaimeds are on the board that could reasonably counter it. They are suicidal claims with way more risk than reward.

Mafia 101.

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So if we hypothetically lynch you lea do the other 2 still get to pull of the extra lynch?? Idk if that was already answered?

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Hbthebattle posted...

But that's not what you've been saying all game
For example

Once again, you're literally intentionally misinterpreting what I said to paint it as something different.

htaeD posted...

also I find it odd again that Han has no idea how much Scare affected reds death

I was focused on the people whose votes weren't on Hb but were around at end of day. I ignored the votes on Red.

Hbthebattle posted...

But you've been "sure" Lea is scum before that was revealed

Is this your first game playing with me?

Lea looked worst aside from Chris. Of course I'm going to fucking put pressure on her. The claim all but confirmed it for me.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

So if we hypothetically lynch you lea do the other 2 still get to pull of the extra lynch?? Idk if that was already answered?

No because Lea can never bring the vote to committee.

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Corrik7 posted...

I didn't plead anyone to not vote red. I said I didn't believe he was cop, mostly cuz no flavor with his claim. I also said it was mafia 101 not to lynch it. Lopen would disagree with my assertion.

It is not hypocritical of me. I was well-reasoned and did unvote when MI dropped 4 votes on red.

But, by this logic, you could have saved Red, at least temporarily, but didn't.
How is Chris more responsible for the lynch than you?
Do you see why this line of logic fails when you look at is closely?
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Hbthebattle posted...

But, by this logic, you could have saved Red, at least temporarily, but didn't.
How is Chris more responsible for the lynch than you?
Do you see why this line of logic fails when you look at is closely?

No. I didn't attempt to save red. Never said I did. You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole here.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I was focused on the people whose votes weren't on Hb but were around at end of day. I ignored the votes on Red.

Why?
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HB weren't you number 2 in votes? Are you seriously, as supposed town, questioning why people didn't vote supposed town over supposed town at deadline? If you are town, you know the lynch was town-town.

Scum couldn't know anymore than Town that red was actually cop or not til he flipped.

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