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red13n
01/04/20 12:28:20 AM
#301:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Turns out "spending all the money so you are the only person people see if they aren't actively following the election" is a highly effective strategy.
This worked for Trump and he didn't even have to go entirely crazy on the outspend part.

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Kinglicious
01/04/20 1:59:52 AM
#302:


Man. I thought this was a parody account at first, figuring they wouldn't do this again in as many months.

Bet he was an austere religious scholar too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1212907536833220608

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Corrik7
01/04/20 6:20:42 AM
#303:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Someone asked Trump if he had an exit strategy if we go to war with Iran, and his quote was:

Another endless war?

SephGs penis can only get so erect.
This is because he doesn't expect it to come to war.

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Corrik7
01/04/20 6:48:34 AM
#304:


Jakyl25 posted...
The Shiite is hitting the fan
Just to clarify. This airstrike is very questionable if it ever happened. This said they hit 6 leaders. Then the PMF and Iraqi's said the airstrike really hit a medical convoy and killed 6 medics. The US then denied it made a strike at the area stated. The PMF and Iraqi's later retracted that the US made this airstrike.

So... Dubious this ever happened.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/20 7:55:24 AM
#305:


Kinglicious posted...
Man. I thought this was a parody account at first, figuring they wouldn't do this again in as many months.

Bet he was an austere religious scholar too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1212907536833220608

Looks like they changed it already but why would this be a parody? By most accounts he legit was a revered military leader. Do you find that hard to believe of a terrorist?

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Corrik7
01/04/20 9:45:41 AM
#306:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-soleimani-insight/inside-the-plot-by-irans-soleimani-to-attack-u-s-forces-in-iraq-idUSKBN1Z301Z

Good read. Probably most informative article I read on the situation.


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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 12:26:23 PM
#307:


NYT reporter: case that Suleimani was plotting an imminent attack against Americans was razor thin (thread):

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1213421769777909761?s=21

NYT headline editors:

https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1213494775296516097?s=21

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NFUN
01/04/20 1:16:13 PM
#308:


I've been on vacation can I get a tldr for the last week?

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 1:21:17 PM
#309:


Were possibly going to war with Iran because Trump assassinated basically the Iranian equivalent of the Secretary of Defense (who, to be fair, was also a terrorist responsible for hundreds of American soldier deaths) probably to distract from impeachment

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Corrik7
01/04/20 1:25:02 PM
#310:


LordoftheMorons posted...
NYT reporter: case that Suleimani was plotting an imminent attack against Americans was razor thin (thread):

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1213421769777909761?s=21

NYT headline editors:

https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1213494775296516097?s=21
NYT is looking heavily biased regarding it.

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xp1337
01/04/20 1:28:01 PM
#311:


NFUN posted...
I've been on vacation can I get a tldr for the last week?
LotM covered foreign stuff, as for domestic: More proof that Trump did what impeachment alleged regarding Ukraine surfaced. Also most Republicans in Congress (nearly 40 Senators and most of the House) wrote a letter to SCOTUS asking them to "revisit" Roe v Wade.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 1:32:31 PM
#312:


xp1337 posted...
LotM covered foreign stuff, as for domestic: More proof that Trump did what impeachment alleged regarding Ukraine surfaced. Also most Republicans in Congress (nearly 40 Senators and most of the House) wrote a letter to SCOTUS asking them to "revisit" Roe v Wade.
See, the distraction is even working on me. I knew all of this and it slipped my mind that it was just this week!

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 1:35:28 PM
#313:


Specifically new on Ukraine:
  1. Bolton, Esper, and Pompeo met with Trump (on August 30th iirc?) and tried to convince him to restore the aid; he refused
  2. Unredacted versions of the emails between the OMB and DoD previously obtained by FOIA were obtained. DoD had repeatedly advised OMB that the hold was illegal.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/20 1:41:25 PM
#314:


https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1213443457999609856?s=19

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point

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Jakyl25
01/04/20 5:23:11 PM
#315:


I read that as Fox focus testing both positions for Trump with Hannity and Tucker taking opposite sides
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Jakyl25
01/04/20 5:24:32 PM
#316:


Whichever one changes their stance first is the one Trump will ignore
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red sox 777
01/04/20 5:42:42 PM
#317:


Corrik7 posted...
This is because he doesn't expect it to come to war.

Yes, this too.

If there is a war, I will consider Trump's foreign policy with Iran a failure.

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FFDragon
01/04/20 6:04:43 PM
#318:


red sox 777 posted...
I consider Trump a failure.


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ChaosTonyV4
01/04/20 6:08:55 PM
#319:


Corrik7 posted...
This is because he doesn't expect it to come to war.

The question was "if it comes to war", and the idea that he doesn't have a strategy for war in case murdering their #2 guy leads to it is a joke.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 6:26:47 PM
#320:


Donald Trump is now threatening to commit war crimes against Iran on twitter:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1213602012308418560

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 6:28:35 PM
#321:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The question was "if it comes to war", and the idea that he doesn't have a strategy for war in case murdering their #2 guy leads to it is a joke.
How is it a joke

I'm guessing the chances that Trump doesn't have a strategy for the now quite possible war with Iran is pretty high (if we require something to have been thought out for more than 15 minutes to qualify as a "strategy" at least)

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Jakyl25
01/04/20 6:33:01 PM
#322:


I think you interpreted Tony incorrectly
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Jakyl25
01/04/20 6:34:15 PM
#323:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Donald Trump is now threatening to commit war crimes against Iran on twitter:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1213602012308418560


Are they really crimes if no one holds him accountable
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Nelson_Mandela
01/04/20 6:34:53 PM
#324:


You people are totally deluded, my lord

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 6:37:12 PM
#325:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
You people are totally deluded, my lord

Which part of your knowledge about the guy who can't even read a daily intelligence briefing leads you to believe he's big on plans

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ChaosTonyV4
01/04/20 6:39:46 PM
#326:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Donald Trump is now threatening to commit war crimes against Iran on twitter:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1213602012308418560

This is like comic-book level shit.

Retaliate and we will counter-attack once for each hostage that was taken 40 years ago.

lmao what the fuck

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Jakyl25
01/04/20 6:47:00 PM
#327:


Also more importantly than the cultural artifacts stuff, I imagine threatening to level cities should be counted as directly threatening civilians
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Corrik7
01/04/20 6:48:09 PM
#328:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The question was "if it comes to war", and the idea that he doesn't have a strategy for war in case murdering their #2 guy leads to it is a joke.
And in his mind there is no if it comes to war which led to his answer.


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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 6:52:07 PM
#329:


Corrik7 posted...
And in his mind there is no if it comes to war which led to his answer.
If Trump thinks that there's no chance that assassinating the #2 or 3 guy in Iran leads to war he's a fucking moron

Which, I mean, he is, but

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Corrik7
01/04/20 6:56:43 PM
#330:


LordoftheMorons posted...
If Trump thinks that there's no chance that assassinating the #2 or 3 guy in Iran leads to war he's a fucking moron

Which, I mean, he is, but
I mean, unless Iran wants their government toppled and their military destroyed, it is hard to see it going into a full out war as long as we don't want it to.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 6:59:32 PM
#331:


Corrik7 posted...
I mean, unless Iran wants their government toppled and their military destroyed, it is hard to see it going into a full out war as long as we don't want it to.
I doubt they will intentionally escalate to a full on war, but they will be compelled to respond (and then Trump will of course respond) and so on, and at any point in the chain there's a risk of one side miscalculating.

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FFDragon
01/04/20 7:04:08 PM
#332:


LordoftheMorons posted...
If Trump thinks that there's no chance that assassinating the #2 or 3 guy in Iran leads to war he's a fucking moron

*Franz Ferdinand intensifies*

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ChaosTonyV4
01/04/20 7:05:53 PM
#333:


Corrik7 posted...
I mean, unless Iran wants their government toppled and their military destroyed, it is hard to see it going into a full out war as long as we don't want it to.

I mean he literally just threatened 52 sites in Iran.

He can't legally follow through without a declaration of war, so he's basically all-in on the idea that killing their #2 guy will lead to a total concession from Iran.

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GildedFool
01/04/20 7:08:59 PM
#334:


...concede what exactly?

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red sox 777
01/04/20 7:09:17 PM
#335:


Persia killed a number of Mongol diplomats 800+ years ago. Genghis Khan responded by taking over Persia and killing millions of civilians. I think Iran remembers this vividly.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 7:11:34 PM
#336:


In other news, early contender for most pathetic tweet of the year from North Carolina's junior senator:

https://twitter.com/ThomTillis/status/1213595744592154625

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Jakyl25
01/04/20 7:11:39 PM
#337:


red sox 777 posted...
Persia killed a number of Mongol diplomats 800+ years ago. Genghis Khan responded by taking over Persia and killing millions of civilians. I think Iran remembers this vividly.


Imagine if they had one target for every dead citizen at the hands of the Mongols
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Jakyl25
01/04/20 7:12:18 PM
#338:


LordoftheMorons posted...
In other news, early contender for most pathetic tweet of the year from North Carolina's junior senator:

https://twitter.com/ThomTillis/status/1213595744592154625


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ChaosTonyV4
01/04/20 7:13:19 PM
#339:


GildedFool posted...
...concede what exactly?

Trump basically wants Iran to be Happy Gilmore in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRzsv4vHNDs

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Kinglicious
01/04/20 7:27:50 PM
#341:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Looks like they changed it already but why would this be a parody? By most accounts he legit was a revered military leader. Do you find that hard to believe of a terrorist?

And Baghdadi was also by most accounts an austere religious scholar.

The point is how WaPo loves framing the worst terrorists out there as positive figures.

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Kinglicious
01/04/20 7:34:14 PM
#342:


Also no Iran isn't going to war with us. They'd never declare it and that's not their way of operating, they MUCH prefer covert actions and have been doing that for decades. There may well be an escalation on that, though if that gets tied back we'll probably kill some more of their military leaders as the only place their budget has gone to thanks to sanctions collapses. And if we don't, Israel will.

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red sox 777
01/04/20 8:19:53 PM
#343:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Which part of your knowledge about the guy who can't even read a daily intelligence briefing leads you to believe he's big on plans

Did you watch the debates? He said that he wouldn't publicly release his plans. Because then the enemy can counter them.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 8:23:56 PM
#344:


red sox 777 posted...
Did you watch the debates? He said that he wouldn't publicly release his plans. Because then the enemy can counter them.
Yeah

Because he's full of shit and has no plans

As a conman, bullshitting people is one of Trump's few skills

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red sox 777
01/04/20 8:24:30 PM
#345:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I doubt they will intentionally escalate to a full on war, but they will be compelled to respond (and then Trump will of course respond) and so on, and at any point in the chain there's a risk of one side miscalculating.

If they see this, it makes more sense not to escalate. Offer submission, apologize to Israel, and build Trump Tower Tehran. Would you escalate against Trump knowing that he's just threatened to level cities? The rational move is to back down.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 8:26:18 PM
#346:


https://twitter.com/deepakguptalaw/status/1213630124656144385

What a quote

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red sox 777
01/04/20 8:30:05 PM
#347:


Trump has a much higher opinion of the Iranians than the Democrats (he said Iran never lost a negotiation) and it's very reasonable to expect reasonable people like the Iranians to choose what is in their best interest. Unlike the Dems who frequently act against their own best interests.

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Jakyl25
01/04/20 8:33:45 PM
#348:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/deepakguptalaw/status/1213630124656144385

What a quote


I dont buy that they couldnt see that coming
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red sox 777
01/04/20 8:34:14 PM
#349:


Also, if this works and Iran backs down, the credibility we lost in Iraq and Syria, as a power able to act, will be partially won back.

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Wanglicious
01/04/20 8:54:56 PM
#350:


iran will not publicly back down from anything.
privately is an entirely different story. this will be a very two-faced conflict from both the US and Iran so take any media coverage, especially directly tied to government statements, with a grain of salt. military is the only place iran's budget has focused on so any prolonged conflict with us doesn't just hurt their power but is a massive hit to their economy, which is already in shambles due to the sanctions. losing military might as well be losing years of the only place they put money into with no way of getting it back or getting any benefit from it.

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/20 11:47:30 PM
#351:


Thread from the former national security advisor to Biden:

https://twitter.com/ColinKahl/status/1213682231312605184

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