Board 8 > azuarc ranks your future VGMC nominations (also, [VGMC])

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azuarc
12/26/19 8:30:27 AM
#51:


I should probably point out that the votes are counted by a script that only contains who has thrown one of their votes to a song, and no additional metadata like if they nominated the song initially or supported it, or how veteran the person is to the contest. Anything involving these ideas is interesting, but would have to be done by hand after the fact.

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azuarc
12/26/19 8:31:04 AM
#52:


Haste_2 posted...
Regarding the actual bracket design, I thought last year's contest went well. The use of byes in a 192x bracket worked fine, in retrospect. I'm fine with the bracket being reduced to 128, too. 256 is a bit much for most everyone, IMO.

I'd like to hear more input here.

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Toxtricity
12/26/19 8:51:07 AM
#53:


I wouldn't be happy with 128...i think a lot of why i enjoyed the pool of the last vgmc was because of the stuff that was only able to be in because the pool was larger. I'd be willing to help with running if it meant we could continue to have 192-256 because i really don't want to regress back to 128 personally

also, I don't think more matches a day is really that big of a deal. its not that much more daunting to listen to an extra song every day to be able to have a larger pool, most people vote in optional sidebracket and bonus matches and stuff, so it doesn't feel like it'd even actually lengthen the contest having a larger bracket, just the number of songs listened to in one day.
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FL81
12/26/19 1:54:30 PM
#54:


The more the merrier only issue I can see is pushing the extra work onto azuarc
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azuarc
12/26/19 3:14:20 PM
#55:


More matches per day is not really a situation I was really considering. If I truly am in the minority on that, then okay sure. It really isn't any extra work to run more matches in a day. If anything it makes my job easier because the contest doesn't last as long. But I don't think it's an outcome that everyone will appreciate. Even when talking about having 3 matches a day instead of 2, there were plenty of people who weren't very happy with that.

And speaking for myself, what happens when I'm listening for VGMC, I'm listening impatiently because I'm just doing my duty of listening to a song so I can say if I enjoyed it more than the other. The result is that aggressive, catchy, more up-tempo songs almost automatically get my vote in the contest unless there's a considerable gap in quality. I feel like if you make the time commitment to the contest longer per day, that this becomes even more the case. Maybe that's just a personal problem, but I find I'm doing hat any time I'm trying to compare songs.

Which, incidentally, is why I'm taking my time in pre-listening to the songs for the ranking topic now. I'm going to try to give myself as much exposure to them as I can before I start legit rating them, and then I'll move at my own pace. I'm hoping to do all my ranking and write-ups in two weeks, but then I'll probably go back for a second pass to be safe that I haven't horribly misevaluated anything.

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banshiryuu
12/26/19 4:00:04 PM
#56:


Toxtricity posted...
I wouldn't be happy with 128...i think a lot of why i enjoyed the pool of the last vgmc was because of the stuff that was only able to be in because the pool was larger. I'd be willing to help with running if it meant we could continue to have 192-256 because i really don't want to regress back to 128 personally

Parroting both things here pretty much lol
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xp1337
12/26/19 4:06:43 PM
#57:


I don't want to see further contraction but I also don't really know about more matches per day. Maybe I've just become more of a grump over the years but kinda like azuarc said, in recent years I almost feel like listening becomes a perfunctory duty that I'm just getting through so I can get back to whatever I was doing (unless I enjoy all the songs of a day but that's... not as common as I'd like and harder to do with more matches a day!). Two matches @ 256 would be ideal with me but that's an over four month long contest period so that's quite the burden on the host.

If we went up to 4 matches a day. Ugh I don't really want to think about it and I'm pretty sure I was all aboard the expansion to 3 back during that discussion.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/26/19 4:10:56 PM
#58:


Do people tend to stop what they are doing to focus on the song when listening? I tend put them on in the background while doing other things on GameFAQs. So adding another match doesn't really change much for me.
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xp1337
12/26/19 4:14:57 PM
#59:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
Do people tend to stop what they are doing to focus on the song when listening? I tend put them on in the background while doing other things on GameFAQs. So adding another match doesn't really change much for me.
I usually try to devote some attention to them, yeah. I mean, I'm usually still reading topics or articles or whatever but if I zone out completely I consider that a bad sign and will sometimes even replay the song from the beginning.

And then, and this is definitely more on the personal problem side of things, there are other things where my focus is disrupted by the presence of a song (any song, so not just VGMC) like more critical/attentive reading that I can't do if I'm listening to songs.

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DragonImps
12/26/19 4:19:19 PM
#60:


I usually listen intently, without doing anything else, but I still find it difficult to retain the music or think of things to say about it most of the time.
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Haste_2
12/26/19 4:26:51 PM
#61:


If 256 is what people want, then I don't have a problem with it.

azuarc posted...
And speaking for myself, what happens when I'm listening for VGMC, I'm listening impatiently because I'm just doing my duty of listening to a song so I can say if I enjoyed it more than the other.

DragonImps posted...
I usually listen intently, without doing anything else, but I still find it difficult to retain the music or think of things to say about it most of the time.
One of the big problems with VGMC in general is that fact that most people are evaluating the music in each match based on their first, maybe second, listen, in the first round. As everyone should know, it takes multiple listens over a period of time for music to grow on you. (also, sometimes you get excited about some songs on your first listen, but then afterwards you realize you don't like it that much)

I came up with an idea a couple of months ago: I would be happy to assist with this problem by posting a weekly pre-voting VGMC playlist in the results topic. For example, a week before the contest begins I will create a Youtube playlist with only the music for the first seven days of the contest. I would then keep doing this every week until all the first round matches are done. Then hopefully most users will listen through the music a couple of times. beforehand, even if it just plays in the background as they do other activities.

Sure, you could say creating a 192/256-sized playlist of all the music could accomplish the same thing...however, I think it is less convenient and less helpful to do it that way. Of course, having a full list is definitely helpful, as well!

But... man. I don't like the idea of anyone voting when they aren't giving their full attention to the music...unless they can easily tell which music they like more, of course.

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azuarc
12/26/19 5:06:16 PM
#62:


Clearly the answer is to have swiss rounds.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/26/19 5:09:59 PM
#63:


azuarc posted...
Clearly the answer is to have swiss rounds.


8 Swiss rounds. 128 matches a day. Top 16 cut. Let's do this.
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PIayer_0
12/26/19 5:18:48 PM
#64:


azuarc posted...
And speaking for myself, what happens when I'm listening for VGMC, I'm listening impatiently because I'm just doing my duty of listening to a song so I can say if I enjoyed it more than the other.
This definitely happens to me too! It's not every single match (maybe because I've got the newcomer enthusiasm); it depends on how my day's been and if I've got other stuff to do at the time. It's days like those when I welcome the sub-3 minute songs and dread the appearance of uploads with length exceeding 5:59. 2 matches feels like the sweet spot for me, because it tends to be ~15 minutes of listening and 4 songs is about how many I can have floating around in my head for when I review the day and comment on its matches.

I might feel less exhausted by 3 or 4 matches if each "day" ran for 48 hours, but new topics still went up every 24 hours. It doesn't actually change how much you have to listen to each day on average, but at least I'd get an extra day to schedule my "VGMC voting" timeslot or spread it out over two sessions.

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FL81
12/26/19 6:25:52 PM
#65:


azuarc posted...
Clearly the answer is to have swiss rounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOSowqvesks this is not a nomination, just the first YouTube search result for "switzerland vgm"
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Mac Arrowny
12/26/19 6:31:05 PM
#66:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
Do people tend to stop what they are doing to focus on the song when listening? I tend put them on in the background while doing other things on GameFAQs. So adding another match doesn't really change much for me.


Yeah, they're always background music for me.
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GameBopAdv
12/26/19 7:51:08 PM
#67:


I agree with those saying that going down to 128 songs total feels a bit small to me. Don't really have much of an opinion as far as number of matches per day stuff though

Also replace VSR Dual Rewind with:
Oh Jeez, Oh No, My Rabbits Are Gone! - The Deep Woods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZdQnJI3VJs

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azuarc
12/27/19 8:36:26 PM
#68:


Currently 76 songs, I believe.

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Fluttershy_Pony
12/29/19 2:03:01 AM
#69:


Chrono Trigger - Undersea Palace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMpxY9089qw

Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold - Theme of Sakura:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPgCfmvWCkY

Gitaroo Man - The Legendary Theme (Acoustic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zacUcCCOoRw

Thrust (Atari 2600) - Title Screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXTJUfZNBY

Chrono Cross - Radical Dreamers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBE3c9X0BoA



Don't really have any input on rule changes. I'll just go along with whatever.
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loweffortmemes
12/30/19 1:46:00 AM
#70:


I could've sworn I had at least 5 songs planned originally, but I can only think of 4 that I knew I wanted to nominate. I guess I'll just throw in another song that I think might do well just to gauge your opinion.

Rewrite - Deep Forest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cgX1Pxx-U

7th Dragon III Code: VFD - ChRNiClESeVeN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTJpnyH1CpM

Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTGcpO2NsY

Utawarerumono - A Journey That Is Only Yours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juiem0L6oRE

Final Fantasy XIV - Equilibrium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1k-9UvdlU

I'm still not sure what "azuarc music" really sounds like, but I have a feeling that none of these songs count as that. Still, hopefully you'll see some potential in at least one of these songs for contest success!
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azuarc
12/30/19 10:13:48 AM
#71:


loweffortmemes posted...
I have a feeling that none of these songs count as that. Still, hopefully you'll see some potential in at least one of these songs for contest success!
Right, that was the driving inspiration for starting this thread.

I've casually listened to mostly everything in the background so far. Nothing that really stood out to me on either end, but maybe I'll feel differently when I listen a bit closer. Soft deadline is tomorrow.

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trdl23
12/30/19 10:53:04 AM
#72:


Equilibrium so good. I have the mount that plays it.

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Flamander
12/30/19 5:25:45 PM
#73:


Tempest 2000 - T2K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP_NJrAPElg

Jazz Jackrabbit 2 - Colonius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2q_deBAnY

Escape Goat 2 - Cloak Of Darkness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfrOIYaCc1o

Crash Twinsanity - Evil Twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVuL3yKclvE

Buck Bumble - Radar Run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zj-UmCefnA

decided to nom tracks that i feel are unique or are from series with little to no tracks in VGMC

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NowItsAngeTime
12/30/19 11:25:05 PM
#74:


Dies irae - Deus Vult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEXzx-K4ZeE

Bokuten-Why I Became an Angel - I Cry Your Name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcxCuc-eZI

Under One Wing - It's Counterattack Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IqunjCc0A

A Sky Full of Stars - Starry Sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEsEVlHk6io

If My Heart Has Wings- Something I'll Never Give Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKoI7Kbb7Pk

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azuarc
12/31/19 7:54:28 AM
#75:


96 currently.

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FL81
12/31/19 10:37:35 AM
#76:


B8 has figured out the meta of exactly how long it takes to get 100 nominations
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Baconus_Yum
12/31/19 4:00:16 PM
#77:


Going to add my last one now:

Bangboo - Sado Goredon (Title Screen)
https://youtu.be/7V0NtFlgiEQ
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loweffortmemes
12/31/19 6:19:57 PM
#78:


Just gonna post a few comments I had.

Haste_2 posted...
Rewrite - Beyond the Darkness
Umineko Chiru - Proud Dust

I immediately thought "insta-support" when I saw these two songs lol. And it probably will be the case, in the end, that I support them.

Fluttershy_Pony posted...
Chrono Cross - Radical Dreamers

Also a likely support. I'm a little surprised that this hasn't retired yet, to be honest! Granted, it looks like it did get to round 4 in VGMC9, so it was close there.
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pyresword
12/31/19 8:41:09 PM
#79:


I have 2 nominations left it looks like. Don't know for sure if I will nominate these but whatever.

Hollow Knight - Sealed Vessel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLtCCfHYNiM

Rose Guns Days - Axelle-ratio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1GJ6b3yczE
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Haste_2
12/31/19 10:12:54 PM
#80:


Looks like Proud Dust, Beyond the Darkness, and End of the Raging Waves will be among my nomination priorities, yay.

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UF8
12/31/19 10:18:47 PM
#81:


If i see end of the raging waves in another contest i will be sad

sure i like the eo3 version a fair bit more but it's still not a favourite
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azuarc
01/01/20 2:12:39 AM
#82:


Happy new year. I have basically 100 songs, which I'll start listening to some time tomorrow (today).

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PIayer_0
01/01/20 2:28:53 AM
#83:


when ranking

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dowolf
01/01/20 8:01:52 AM
#84:


let's see if i can sneak stuff in under the wire:

VOEZ - Valle De Los Caidos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeeb-G4iYqY

Darkened Skye - Bone Lands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmxM5_-RO00

Baldr Sky - Pilgrim's Blindness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DknNoHW373M

-Aka- - Desert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t16DzYe5bQI

RAGNAROK Tactics - Zeal continent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaUQhZTXQl0


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NFUN
01/01/20 10:12:09 AM
#85:


don't bother nomming zeal continent for this. I'm sure me, Mycro and Dire will support it. it'll absolutely be nommed and get in

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azuarc
01/01/20 10:54:06 AM
#86:


Maybe he wants it ranked. Or to get a read on how someone outside a select few will feel about it.

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dowolf
01/01/20 12:31:54 PM
#87:


i mean shrug.

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azuarc
01/01/20 12:58:28 PM
#88:


I have rated 6 songs. Only 103 more to go...assuming nobody submits more in the meanwhile.

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xp1337
01/02/20 3:29:31 PM
#89:


we want the damn rankings

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azuarc
01/02/20 9:43:07 PM
#90:


xp1337 posted...
we want the damn rankings

109. Apex of the World (Rain)
108. Indomitable Will (Rain)
107. Edge of Dawn
106. The Calm
105. Throw Away Your Mask
104-1. Everything else

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Team Rocket Elite
01/02/20 9:47:45 PM
#91:


RIP Three Houses
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Nickit
01/04/20 1:43:25 AM
#92:


so...i guess the nom period for this is still live? as i understand it it's open until az reaches current post with listening so

Flywrench | Helium Crew Anthem 2 | https://youtu.be/N_1qVDU66os
YU-NO [words] | Movement 2 | https://youtu.be/JgBlrkQB4K0
Dark Fusion | In-Game Theme[?] | https://youtu.be/yYDrJbRqQMI
Celeste | Mirror Temple (Mirror Magic Mix) | https://youtu.be/iKnwVvXkWq0
maimai MiLK | Credits | https://youtu.be/EOTAWLaDa58
and apologies if noms aren't open, though it doesn't really affect anyone then huh

re: vgmc i agree with deo+mycro on keeping it to 192; personally think it allowed me to better experience cool stuff that i wouldnt have discovered in the nom period alone and would likely be cut in a smaller bracket

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azuarc
01/04/20 10:24:08 AM
#93:


Going from the sig, I'm assuming that's cakophon?

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PIayer_0
01/04/20 1:03:22 PM
#94:


Mirror Magic good! I was completely torn between that and Golden Feather last year, and there should be increased interest with the sizeable Celeste thread currently up on the board.

If one of the goals of 192 is to make the pool more diverse, could we consider making the doubles mechanic more impactful? With 5 extra votes that must be on unique songs, you can basically save 5 songs that are on the cusp of getting in, but you're still relying on getting a couple supports just like with a non-doubled nom. It only does a little bit for song diversity because the songs that got in thanks to a double would have been close to getting in anyway. If it was something like 2 triples or 1 quadruple, you'd have more power to save a few overlooked songs instead of having it spread out over 5 of them.

Another way would be to allow 5 extra votes that can be distributed however you like, so you'd have the option of giving +5 to a single song or +3 to one song and +2 to another. Yeah, I think this means everyone has one guaranteed nom if they choose the +5, but only if they love a song so much that they'd sacrifice the chance to save other songs for it (at first I thought of just letting everyone have one guaranteed nom, but it probably makes more sense to make it part of the doubling system).

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Haste_2
01/04/20 11:05:55 PM
#95:


Being able to apply the five extra supports ("doubles") however you want might be something I'd like to see, but it's not a big deal to me either way.

So we got about 60 days until the contest... and I've got 59 write-ups to do for my retiree rankings project. My goal is to get two write-ups a day from here on out, so I can start rolling out the rankings before VGMC nominatinos start.

Edit: I'm not Latino. I'm Nominatino!

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Flamander
01/05/20 6:37:50 AM
#96:


Personally support keeping it at the size of last contest - 192, if only for az's sanity. Big fan of the suggested change of being able to apply doubles however you want. Agree with cako/Nickit on that keeping the songs at 192 allows people to listen to a wider variety of songs.

Also - giving my personal opinion as to 'how do you listen to songs in VGMC', I put them on and listen to them in the background. Agree that people tend to notice more detail in a song the more you listen to it, but from my perspective - I've burnt out halfway through my ranking trying to enforce this on myself by listening to each song three times; and I believe it should be a personal choice done out of enjoyment; not something you're locked into via a personal ruleset.
tl;dr of the above paragraph: don't force yourself to listen super-close to every song if it stresses you out.


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azuarc
01/05/20 10:47:13 PM
#97:


Flamander posted...
I've burnt out halfway through my ranking trying to enforce this on myself by listening to each song three times; and I believe it should be a personal choice done out of enjoyment; not something you're locked into via a personal ruleset.

Yeah, funny thing, that...

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NowItsAngeTime
01/06/20 12:53:20 PM
#98:


Azuarc, my BokuTen link had to get taken down so you can just skip that one unless you really wanna hear it again

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azuarc
01/06/20 2:20:28 PM
#99:


I noticed one of the links on my playlist was dead. I didn't check to see what it was. Is that song not available anywhere else?

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NowItsAngeTime
01/06/20 2:25:46 PM
#101:


azuarc posted...
I noticed one of the links on my playlist was dead. I didn't check to see what it was. Is that song not available anywhere else?

Not that I know of

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