Board 8 > azuarc ranks your future VGMC nominations (also, [VGMC])

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azuarc
12/23/19 10:34:17 PM
#1:


Typically, at least during my tenure as host, VGMC nominations have opened at the beginning of March. That means we're actually only about two months away. Ergo, it may be time to actually start putting some thought into this thing. Therefore, this topic is for two purposes.

  1. To discuss VGMC14.
  2. To announce a ranking thread.
I'll start with the first one. VGMC nominations should open in ~70 days. This is your opportunity to discuss what, if anything, we should change or do differently. The most significant alteration to the format last year came in the form of expanding the bracket from 128 to 192, as a stepping stone toward 256. This meant that 128 songs played in round 1, and 64 had a bye. After seeing it in action, I'm not really sure how I feel about having byes, regardless of how they're determined, but I'm going to give the floor to the group to discuss. One thing I will state up front is that I have zero interest in running the contest by myself if we move to 256. I think everyone appreciated expanding the field from 128, but personally I was just weary. Maybe that's me as an individual. Maybe that's me as host. I don't really know. But that does segue into the other important nugget I want to announce.

As of right now, I intend for this to be my final year hosting VGMC. I figure five years is a pretty good run, and it's time to give someone else a turn. Plus, I just haven't been very motivated to do much of anything VGM-related. I was actively involved in the guessing games for about a year and a half, at least in designing survival games, but right now I just don't have any drive. Maybe I need to infuse my interest with some new songs, or maybe it's simply time to let someone else take over. Regardless, I do want to put out feelers to anyone who thinks they may be interested in taking on at least a partial role in administering the contest. I have no problem running nominations. That's the fun part. However, the daily grind of posting topics at precisely the right time, of counting votes, of trying to remember everything that's going on and updating the bracket and making up poll topics and managing ties and all the other stuff that goes with the running of the actual contest itself for possibly as long as five straight months...it's draining. Or at least it is for me. If anyone is interested in handling the day-to-day of the bracket, in part or in full, please let me know. It's possible I might feel rejuvenated down the road. I do enjoy the idea of managing the contest, and I probably would just pull a slow fade if I weren't the person everyone is depending on. However, as of right now, I think that at the very least asking for some help is definitely something I need to do.

Okay, so there's that. Now...

I'd like to also announce a ranking topic. Nominate any 5 VGM tracks you want, with the intent that I will attempt to evaluate these songs for purposes of their potential for the VGMC bracket. I'll give my personal, subjective thoughts, but I'll also add in where I think my opinion differs from the board's...which is not a guarantee I'll get it right, of course. After all, it's become a running joke that I hate Amusement Park not because I do, but simply because I still don't see what there is that other people legitimately like about it. So yeah, I might miss wildly on the objective end of things. The ranking itself will be according to my preferences, but the important part is you'll get feedback. And, I'm hoping, people will be following along, too. Maybe a couple other folks jump in and rank with me -- if anyone wants to do that, I'll give you five songs to replace your own with -- or maybe we just get a lively discussion going on each of the tracks. Either way, it's a chance for you to test drive some songs for this year's contest, or announce your intent, or warm up the board to some potential contenders.

  • Nominate any 5 VGM tracks, with links. VGMC eligible preferred.
  • There is no limit to how many songs are in the ranking, so don't worry about rushing to get your songs in first.
  • I will begin to listen to tracks on January 1st. Once I get to the end of what's been posted in the thread, I will close nominations.
  • You may swap tracks up until I evaluate your songs. If you think you're likely to hedge, please say so in your post and I'll save yours for last.
I hope that should cover everything. You guys know how ranking topics work.

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRAHwzLZduGVWYPILF5wyiTAvtI3PUG3O_s4MgV9Zwo/edit?folder=0AIS8GGHS9FDGUk9PVA#gid=0

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pyresword
12/23/19 10:36:44 PM
#2:


Tag but I probably won't post anything until after I get back home from Christmas stuff.
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NFUN
12/23/19 10:39:11 PM
#3:


Perfect. I needed somebody to experiment on

Terraria Calamity - The Filthy Mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NbQFGnQaCE

Terraria Calamity - Return to Slime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W70Q1R-inLc

Terraria Calamity - Outcast of the Sulphurous Seas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF1tUy6QcPs

Terraria Calamity - The Scourge of the Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Syn1mJVt7U

Terraria Calamity - Left Alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU7TqxXR0Aw

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NFUN
12/23/19 10:42:51 PM
#4:


or i can give 5 killer instinct songs (ones are good unlike the ones you used in bost)

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Arti
12/23/19 10:43:13 PM
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UF8
12/23/19 10:54:33 PM
#6:


NFUN posted...
or i can give 5 killer instinct songs (ones are good unlike the ones you used in bost)

This statement wounds me too

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azuarc
12/23/19 11:10:49 PM
#7:


NFUN posted...
or i can give 5 killer instinct songs (ones are good unlike the ones you used in bost)

I'm perfectly happy to see what you think I should have picked. I was fine with my top 3 choices, though.

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xp1337
12/23/19 11:14:15 PM
#8:


Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Apex of the World (Rain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54d87uVZVDc

Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Indomitable Will (Rain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSCZhgyVpw

Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Edge of Dawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh1_7ssmCLE

Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth - The Calm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfyyDbqVC14

Persona 5 Royal - Throw Away Your Mask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u3-kqU9YDo

At first I couldn't think of anything, but by the end I kinda wished we had 10 spots lol. Cut Caligula Effect entries because I don't need to hear azuarc tell me it'll never happen. Nothing Is Promised (Persona Q2) my hardest cut but that's not azuarc's style I don't think. Considered dropping Edge of Dawn to make room but I think that might be closer to azuarc's alley and even though this is nominally a vgmc eval I wanted to at least try to pick songs I felt he might enjoy at least a bit.

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UF8
12/23/19 11:15:49 PM
#9:


A note.

I'm interested in having some stuff evaluated on their chance of making the bracket, at least. Not terribly interested in actual performance.
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NFUN
12/23/19 11:16:58 PM
#10:


eh I'd end up using a couple of songs you did. i won't bother swapping

hinnamatoom, shatterhail, warlord and lycanthropy are definitely better than i'm back, .execute, temperance & vengeance and battletad though

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Snake5555555555
12/23/19 11:18:31 PM
#11:


Pathologic 2 - Circle of Suok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk01yL8L3dE

Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem - The Gift of Forever
https://youtu.be/J67LoKUmDUU

Resident Evil 4 - The Mercenaries (Leon)
https://youtu.be/Jylc2yJN5NA

Devil May Cry - Super Ultra Violet [Nelo Angelo Appearance - Battle Version 3]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saafticAJnE

Mr. Bones - Red to Blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvScpuVk-fc

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pyresword
12/23/19 11:20:13 PM
#12:


Ok here's 2 for now because those are ones I was already planning on going for which means they are easy to get.

Utawarerumono Zan - Fuantei na Kamisama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iT730ZG214

The Legend of Heroes: Ao no Kiseki - Unfathomed Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9mL0PasBkw
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UF8
12/23/19 11:25:34 PM
#13:


Money Puzzle Exchanger (PS1) - Coin Chute rule ~ Change Warrior Exchanger (Exchanger theme arranged)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvGryNOLui8
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dowolf
12/23/19 11:31:34 PM
#14:


Tag for later.

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banshiryuu
12/23/19 11:47:46 PM
#15:


I have quite a few "popular" songs on my almost-definitely-nom list that I would throw up here, but I'm also more interested in getting strength gauges so Rude Buster and The Betrayer are gonna go to the backburner lol. If you're looking for help, I may or may not have just run a contest and had a little too much fun running it myself... and may or may not be a little too eager to try my hand back at it at some point soon anyway. Just saying... ^^

Einhnder - Thermosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN5jGNNUFAk

Pause Ahead - Nihil Descent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8emqquuBw

beatmania IIDX 12 HAPPY SKY CS - Just a Little Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79ShvGc_yg

Kishin Hishou Demonbane - Ambivalence of a Blood Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCOp7tM2N8

MILLION GOD - Aquarius 4V8
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Baconus_Yum
12/23/19 11:50:29 PM
#16:


Dropping one to test it as well, will add another four later

Hoi AGA - Level Five: Main Theme
https://youtu.be/yrEyXm8a4aA

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Team Rocket Elite
12/23/19 11:54:02 PM
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+ Fire Emblem: Three Houses | As Swift As Wind | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOClKKgdH3g
+ Fire Emblem: Three Houses | The Edge of Dawn (Seasons of Warfare) (Japanese) | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMrVBTt1gA
+ Pokemon Sword and Shield | Battle Tower | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AReT3HfD4Uc
+ REFLEC BEAT colette | L'avide | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--X5A-UP2k
+ Xenoblade Chronicles 2 | Drifting Souls | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLW5B26m0U
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Mac Arrowny
12/24/19 12:02:26 AM
#18:


why are people nominating Three Houses tracks other than Shambhala AKA the only remarkable track in the game
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trdl23
12/24/19 12:04:44 AM
#19:


Touhou: Concealed the Conclusion -- Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcrnIvvVhpM

Final Fantasy XIV -- Metal (Brute Justice Mode)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07pe-e-ogGM

Final Fantasy XIV -- Heroes Never Die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czw1XDkjTuY

Final Fantasy XIV -- Wayward Daughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMv9uiQsXvg

Final Fantasy XIV -- Oblivion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkMfJBDFZM

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xp1337
12/24/19 12:07:20 AM
#20:


Mac Arrowny posted...
why are people nominating Three Houses tracks other than Shambhala AKA the only remarkable track in the game
because i've still only played crimson flower where it doesn't play and i've inexplicably not listened to the songs from the other routes yet because i keep lying to myself that i'll play them "soon"

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FL81
12/24/19 12:25:53 AM
#21:


Most of these I already used in guessing games, but a big part of the reason I used them there was to test the waters for potential VGMC nominations! Some of these were tracks I've meant to nominate years previous, but just somehow forgot to do so. Also I'm not too sure on Track #5 (might replace it with another Wanwan song, or something else entirely)

Falcata - Eclipse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQC3vqHbsQ

Twinkle Star Sprites - Love so "Radio active mix"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRrRZo9gVtg

Gradius ReBirth - Extra Stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hXKPmGwsFs

Mystic Ark - Your Fighting Eyes Are Always Beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmAIR3guuzE

Touhou Tri Focuser ~ Outside the Traditional World - Death Scythe Paradise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJm-3Upadw
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PIayer_0
12/24/19 12:44:16 AM
#22:


Oh hey, I think I'll find this really useful with me being new this year and still trying to get a grasp on the board's tastes! This year I got 5 noms in, 4 of which lost immediately...

I felt like 192 songs was already a lot and wouldn't mind bringing it back to 128; all those matches eventually got draining as a voter, too. I might be able to help out by re-organizing the hosting spreadsheet? There looks to be a lot of copying between sheets to create the daily posts and record results that my inner Excel spirit really wants to improve.

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xp1337
12/24/19 12:47:11 AM
#23:


PIayer_0 posted...
I felt like 192 songs was already a lot and wouldn't mind bringing it back to 128
what if i told you we used to run 256 and 128 was a more recent development

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GameBopAdv
12/24/19 12:49:04 AM
#24:


Sonic 3 (Nov 3 1993 Prototype) - Carnival Night Zone Act 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSOLEDg4t0M

Sonic 3 (Nov 3 1993 Prototype) - Launch Base Zone Act 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GY4qrsgcKQ

Bug Fables - MECHA BEE DESTROYER BLASTLORD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vtGV4ehR0

Blade Ballet - Bitbop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDLaXLrV5Zg

Vision Soft Reset - Dual Rewind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6JRuhqlGQ

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DragonImps
12/24/19 1:05:50 AM
#25:


Im guessing itd be alright if I nom less than five.
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tazzyboyishere
12/24/19 1:36:47 AM
#26:


Kingdom Hearts III - The Other Promise / Vector to the Heavens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvHle2QBQpo

Outer Wilds - Travelers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RJtvhippL0

SkateBIRD - Bird Moms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4jbxWUXvek

Tetris Effect - Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ1EcY7knaI

Wandersong - Wandersong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZH1SgvsF4

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Toxtricity
12/24/19 1:53:42 AM
#27:


your taste is incredibly different from mine to the point of us obviously maybe even being the two most total opposite tastes on the board, but here's a few of the top things on my planned noms consideration list anyway, hopefully you will not hate them too much:

Taiko no Tatsujin 7 - Burning Force Medley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDCwu0tGQXM

Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet - Dungeon 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuWBPTM1z8A

Xeno Crisis - Ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpZlG-M022g

might pick out 2 more later but my planned noms list is actually a lot smaller and looser this year than ever before ("something by [composer]" "something from [huge series]" etc) so my nomset could wind up being anything in the end hahaha

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UF8
12/24/19 4:06:58 AM
#28:


oops the linked money puzzle exchanger arrangement wasn't the ps1 version after all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOdldXpSrpw&t=371s

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UF8
12/24/19 4:09:42 AM
#29:


Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 4 - The Final Count Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJMG5H1hKg
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UF8
12/24/19 4:37:04 AM
#30:


oh no

why did i do this

i checked the drift stage album for songs

now i have too many to choose from
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UF8
12/24/19 4:37:50 AM
#31:


curse you myrone for being too good and consistent. especially consistent
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UF8
12/24/19 5:32:29 AM
#32:


okay i guess I have decided on 3

ugh

no matter how hard i try, ranking drift stage's ost just seems impossible

this is why i don't do ranking threads

Drift Stage - Neotek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUQUedGogw

Drift Stage - Clear Eyes Clear Skies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bdc4kS2Wxs

Drift Stage - Main Menu
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JONALEON1
12/24/19 7:43:35 AM
#33:


AI: The Somnium Files - Adventurous Inventors [Staff Roll]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-73IfLhXp3s

Caladrius - Eerie Arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9297K031r44

Judgment - The Last Assassin XIV: Symphony of The Judgment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5n-2EXPPlk

Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom - Falls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rErNNUC9H_g

Senran Kagura: Bon Appetit - I'll Sucker Down My Octopus Balls Right Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qQHuEWs58

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Baconus_Yum
12/24/19 8:26:41 AM
#34:


Some more to put in.

Hoi AGA - Intro
https://youtu.be/qwHWENNjV9M

A Dance of Fire and Ice - Jungle City
https://youtu.be/LYBsSj6cW7g

A Dance of Fire and Ice - Butterfly Planet
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TheArkOfTurus
12/24/19 12:45:09 PM
#35:


Hypnospace Outlaw - Ready to Shave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAwVTXrPDW0

Romancing Saga 3 - Four Demons 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z21iqSWrCe0

Indivisible - Eulogia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJOnwuyD-20

Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass - A Cocoon Throbbing in a Dead Man's Mouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8E4nLZ0_Xk

Code Vein - Tears of Passion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvtNzVTv_IA


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Mac Arrowny
12/24/19 5:12:33 PM
#36:


Beatmania IIDX Rootage - Simurgh's Awakening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKURf3-ITI

Crystar - Trickstar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CJyuFMVvuQ
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banshiryuu
12/24/19 7:31:03 PM
#37:


Simurgh is actually from CANNON BALLERS in what may be the most egregious case of "boss song that does not fit the style" in the history of IIDX
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PIayer_0
12/24/19 8:21:50 PM
#38:


I'll go the deo route and submit potential noms whose strength I'm unsure about for various reasons.

League of Legends - Taliyah, the Stoneweaver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7MwJ5WGA_A

Grandia - Mullen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmQvr-XsCI4

Silent Hill 2 - Promise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qalGezr76o

Dariusburst - The world of spirit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX93u8Uqki4

Parasite Eve - U.B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPJ0vtlsR50

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pyresword
12/24/19 8:25:20 PM
#39:


Oh right that's another song I was planning on nominating but forgot about.

League of Legends - Kindred, the Eternal Hunters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_DbCpFvHA
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GameBopAdv
12/24/19 11:47:37 PM
#40:


Thinking about it well I know our tastes don't always mesh well and also some of these songs I feel more likely to be nominating so I should probably replace them with songs I'm less certain about that may or may not be more towards your tastes

Replace Bitbop with:
Good Night Knight - Vivarium Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n58pjbUxg6U

should probably find a fitting replacement for dual rewind as well but I'm lazy and probably lost all my minimal notes for nom ideas in a laptop breakdown so oh well.

Also on the lines of VGMC discussion, I still strongly stand by the idea of getting rid of the "random" selection for the last tier that doesn't make the cut into the bracket, and using more of an algorithm for it, based on the number of nominations & supports that are already getting in from everyone involved in the songs in that tier & stuff like that. Like if someone's only chance at getting 1 nomination in is up for grabs in that tier I say throw them a bone and let that song get in. Though weighing all the options well could take some fine tuning. I'd be willing to help do the active calculations when the time is needed if this idea takes off though !

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pyresword
12/24/19 11:51:19 PM
#41:


If we're discussing ideas for VGMC procedure, I'm going to re-submit the idea to prevent people from removing supports after a certain deadline which is 1-3 days before the final deadline.
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azuarc
12/25/19 3:30:30 PM
#42:


GameBopAdv posted...
Also on the lines of VGMC discussion, I still strongly stand by the idea of getting rid of the "random" selection for the last tier that doesn't make the cut into the bracket, and using more of an algorithm for it, based on the number of nominations & supports that are already getting in from everyone involved in the songs in that tier & stuff like that. Like if someone's only chance at getting 1 nomination in is up for grabs in that tier I say throw them a bone and let that song get in. Though weighing all the options well could take some fine tuning. I'd be willing to help do the active calculations when the time is needed if this idea takes off though !

Do you have any idea how to codify this, or would it just be done by managerial decision?

pyresword posted...
If we're discussing ideas for VGMC procedure, I'm going to re-submit the idea to prevent people from removing supports after a certain deadline which is 1-3 days before the final deadline.

On this note, one idea I kicked around was to lock a song once it got to 5 and guarantee it a slot in the bracket. This not only slows down potential hopping, but it also lets you not have such intense agita going into the final day. On the other hand, it also suppresses the fun of the last day, which a few people really revel in. But it also wouldn't completely freeze out the final day madness like being unable to remove anything would do.


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Haste_2
12/25/19 5:54:03 PM
#43:


If we get rid of the "random" selection regarding nomination tiebreakers, I think GBA's idea of favoring disadvantages nominators would be nice. I have other ideas, as well: how about favoring nominations submitted by contest vets, as well? (not that I consider myself much of a vet, as I've only been a major participant in one contest) Another factor to consider is if there are other songs from the same game or series already in the contest. (i.e. if there are three Final Fantasy songs and only one Mega Man song in the bracket, favor the Mega Man song in a tiebreaker) All of these ideas could be combined into a simple algorithm.

azuarc posted...
On this note, one idea I kicked around was to lock a song once it got to 5 and guarantee it a slot in the bracket. This not only slows down potential hopping, but it also lets you not have such intense agita going into the final day. On the other hand, it also suppresses the fun of the last day, which a few people really revel in. But it also wouldn't completely freeze out the final day madness like being unable to remove anything would do.

I totally agree with this!

I do have another thought: I think it should be impressed in the minds of nominators that they are expected to participate in the contest (i.e. do more than just show up for matches featuring their nominations) if they participate in nominations. (I have been guilty of this multiple times, and I regret what I did) And if they don't participate, well... DQ them from nominations for the next year? (but not permanently) Maybe nominators should have to vote in a minimum of 20 individual matches or something? My main motive here is not to punish or pressure users, but to increase participation from those who ought to, and also to reduce nominations from those who really AREN'T that interested in the contest.

Regarding the actual bracket design, I thought last year's contest went well. The use of byes in a 192x bracket worked fine, in retrospect. I'm fine with the bracket being reduced to 128, too. 256 is a bit much for most everyone, IMO.

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Haste_2
12/25/19 7:06:30 PM
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Rewrite - Beyond the Darkness
https://youtu.be/HJroe3MMMuk

Etrian Odyssey III - The End of the Raging Waves
https://youtu.be/UEsgRhIhHf8

Final Fantasy VI - Prelude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELZfaOQCD4o

Umineko Chiru - Proud Dust
https://youtu.be/idJLgN2Pu0I

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Vast Ice Mountain Peak
https://youtu.be/nvGvLsrtTvo

Only comment I have is that I think EO3's version has more charm the EO5's. I'm not sure anybody else would agree with that, though.

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GameBopAdv
12/25/19 7:15:03 PM
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azuarc posted...
Do you have any idea how to codify this, or would it just be done by managerial decision?

I think my main idea for this would involve a spreadsheet keeping track of everyone's numbers of both nominations and also supports that have officially gotten in, and then adding up those numbers from the nominator & supporters of each song and keeping track of that number set as well. From there I'd see what user (or users if there's a tie) has the lowest "score" number in either "nominations" or "supports," then check all the songs in the tier in question that they nominated / supported depending on which "score" they are low on, and seeing which of those has the lowest combined score, and then officially pushing that song in and updating all the numbers and repeating the process from there. Might be kind of complicated and I might be bad at explaining, but this is the sort of calculations I love doing.

The two biggest issues in question are probably whether or not to count an initial nomination as a "support" or not for that tally (I feel like probably), and also how to properly score the "nominations" and "supports" categories against each other. My gut instinct says to do something like "(n^2) - 0.1" for the nominations total where n = number of nominations in, and the - 0.1 is for it to have priority over the supports total. Came up with that off the top of my head, I wouldn't doubt there's probably a better solution for that out there but hopefully you get the idea I'm getting at.

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FL81
12/25/19 10:43:34 PM
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Haste_2 posted...
Only comment I have is that I think EO3's version has more charm the EO5's. I'm not sure anybody else would agree with that, though.

I fully agree with this, and would support the EO3 version in a heartbeat.
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PIayer_0
12/25/19 11:21:29 PM
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I'm obviously a big fan of the EO5 arrange, but I think it had a fair enough shot at retirement this year and would be curious to see if the original could make a good run as well. Their Own Brand of Justice and Hoist the Sword with Pride in the Heart might also be good picks in a similar style, though the latter didn't fare too well in VGMC7...

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FL81
12/25/19 11:23:24 PM
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I feel like each version of Hoist the Sword is amazing in its own way

but for End of Raging Waves, the original is my clear favorite
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banshiryuu
12/25/19 11:28:49 PM
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EO3 End of Raging Waves is definitely my favorite, and actually despite how much I adore it I really don't like most arranges so I would support it much more than I did EO5 this year.

Same goes for like... most EO battle songs lol. Activation, Hoist the Sword, Each Justice (!!!), Destruction Begets Decay, Calling That Detestable Name, etc.
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Mega Mana
12/25/19 11:55:11 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVNm7KVW2Mc

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