Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 255: A Holiday Present From Tulsi

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Nelson_Mandela
12/29/19 1:03:58 AM
#252:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Ah, I forgot about this one.

Well Id hope the support for actually following through on that would be pretty non-existent for obvious reasons, but Id need to be sure thats not at risk.

That being said, Bloomberg pushed Stop and Frisk policy, and theres zero chance Ron Paul would support that, so another point Paul.
Yeah but that's a local government thing. It's pretty much impossible to have a libertarian government operating a major city. Sort of an oxymoron.

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SmartMuffin
12/29/19 9:58:21 AM
#253:


Something looks a little bit off about these right-wing white-supremacist trump-supporters who keep killing Jews in New York, but I just can't quite put my finger on it...

https://twitter.com/RobProvince/status/1211289837405458432/photo/1

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LordoftheMorons
12/29/19 11:46:03 AM
#254:


There are antisemites of all races. That you seem more concerned by the fact that your "team" didn't commit the murders rather than that the murders happened isn't a great look, by the way.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/29/19 11:53:38 AM
#255:


I dunno about this guy but the last murderer was said to have been linked to a right-wing black nationalist group so this isn't really the devastating own you think it is. Turns out nationalism is still bad and still on the rise.

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SmartMuffin
12/29/19 12:11:10 PM
#256:


isn't a great look

oh no muh optics

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LordoftheMorons
12/29/19 12:12:43 PM
#257:


Do you want me to more explicitly accuse you of being an antisemite yourself?

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SmartMuffin
12/29/19 1:38:02 PM
#258:


Do you think it would matter?

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LordoftheMorons
12/29/19 7:35:36 PM
#259:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1211390729177702401

Sounds like some people that should testify

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SmartMuffin
12/29/19 7:57:31 PM
#260:


Jews should really *hope* it's true that they have much higher intelligence, on average, than other groups.

Because if science eventually proves that *isn't* the case, the available remaining explanations for how they control so much wealth and power start looking a lot more sinister...

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Leafeon13N
12/29/19 8:15:44 PM
#261:


Where are you even trying to go with that statement?
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StealThisSheen
12/29/19 8:40:16 PM
#262:


Remember when he was like "If you're just gonna call me a racist/antisemite/etc., I'll just act like one!"

He took that as an excuse to just go full steam ahead with it and be the biggest piece of shit that he can

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MalcolmMasher
12/29/19 10:17:16 PM
#263:


Pro tip: For hundreds of years, Christians believed that charging interest on money you lent to other people (or, at least, other Christians) was "usury", which was sinful in the eyes of God! Jews, however, had no religious prohibition against charging interest on money lent to Christians. Therefore, in predominantly Christian societies, moneylenders and bankers were commonly Jewish.
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Jakyl25
12/29/19 10:53:55 PM
#264:


SmartMuffin posted...
Jews should really *hope* it's true that they have much higher intelligence, on average, than other groups.

Because if science eventually proves that *isn't* the case, the available remaining explanations for how they control so much wealth and power start looking a lot more sinister...


Yeah, the entire concept of inherited wealth is pretty sinister, I agree
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MoogleKupo141
12/29/19 11:00:36 PM
#265:


SmartMuffin posted...
Jews should really *hope* it's true that they have much higher intelligence, on average, than other groups.

Because if science eventually proves that *isn't* the case, the available remaining explanations for how they control so much wealth and power start looking a lot more sinister...


sinister how

like lizard people ?
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Peace___Frog
12/29/19 11:09:40 PM
#266:


SmartMuffin posted...
Jews should really *hope* it's true that they have much higher intelligence, on average, than other groups.

Because if science eventually proves that *isn't* the case, the available remaining explanations for how they control so much wealth and power start looking a lot more sinister...
I'm impressed that you managed to hit so many antisemitic tropes in so few words. How many weeks from now until you assert that we need to be cleansed?

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ChaosTonyV4
12/30/19 4:36:57 AM
#267:


https://tinyurl.com/tg7ygw9

Auuuuuuuuuuuuugggghhhhhhh



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Jakyl25
12/30/19 4:44:31 AM
#268:


Wait, what happened?
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ChaosTonyV4
12/30/19 4:54:27 AM
#269:


Apparently the US launched strikes on locations in Iraq and Syria believed to be controlled by Iran.

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LordoftheMorons
12/30/19 5:34:47 AM
#270:


Horrible news regarding John Lewis :(

https://twitter.com/JustinWilfonWSB/status/1211420106695335936

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foolm0r0n
12/30/19 10:25:14 AM
#271:


Reg posted...
Theoretical legitimate libertarians are just as much of a fantasy world concept as libertarianism itself

Nelson_Mandela posted...
To even remotely approach libertarianism, you need to oppose the civil rights act, so that's a nonstarter in our dumb modern reactive political culture.

*random person suggests social security is bad*
Statists: Fucking wacko libertarians are ruining this country

*lifelong libertarian suggests black people are pretty ok*
Statists (and smuffin): See I told you libertarianism doesn't really exist

This is why y'all are so easily convinced to vote for fascists. You have no regard for consistent labeling, even though labels are everything to you. Anyone can get your vote with a fresh coat of paint. You make fun of muffin but at least he follows his principles - hating minorities and single mothers - regardless of what it's called. (Obviously if your principles lead you to nazism, you should rethink them, but without a consistent method, you won't even know when that happens.)

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xp1337
12/30/19 10:41:12 AM
#272:


I think "libertarianism doesn't really exist" is accurate if you look at it solely in the context of national politicians in the US. You have some Republicans who try to claim the label but you look at their record and it falls apart.

On lower levels and individuals I'm sure it does though you still have the issue of people claiming the label but not actually believing the values if you examine their positions. But that's something you'll find with all such labels. It might be more pronounced with libertarianism simply because it has a more strict definition than say "Democrat" or "Republican" which are intentionally made to try and cover a wide range of the spectrum to get more people into the fold (although the Republican party is certainly contracting on this front atm, the Tea Party and the purging of "moderates" was when it started really going that way and now that Trumpism has taken it over it's gone into overdrive..)

And in terms of common US political discussion Democrat/Republican/Libertarian are basically put in the same fold when for the purpose of this discussion you'd probably want to compare "actual libertarian" to more defined political philosophies like socialism.

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xp1337
12/30/19 10:50:20 AM
#273:


Probably should have included it in the last post but since my posts are basically stream of consciousness I suck at that.

Both parties have a tendency to cloak themselves in the language/rhetoric of libertarianism when it suits them. This happens a lot more often on the Republican side wrt to economic positions like, as foolmo brought up, cutting the safety net. Democrats will occasionally invoke it on social issues. I will say that in my experience it's a lot more explicit when the Republicans often literally invoking libertarianism directly or making obvious appeals to it. Whereas with the Democrats it's more that the language/reasoning/logic is similar-ish.

Of course once you flip those spheres neither party is anywhere close to libertarianism and will dismiss such arguments... because well... they're not libertarian lol. They just happen to align with them on certain issues at different times and oppose them at others.

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red sox 777
12/30/19 10:55:31 AM
#274:


Libertarianism lost its appeal when it proved to be unpopular. You can't get to unlimited power that way.

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DoomTheGyarados
12/30/19 12:53:44 PM
#275:


https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-originals/watch/-red-white-who-digital-exclusive-sen-bernie-sanders-extended-interview-75851845619

Oh man this Bernie interview is amazing. You could tell when she asked about his parents both dying young that it was a huge deal to him.

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banananor
12/30/19 1:41:03 PM
#276:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Apparently the US launched strikes on locations in Iraq and Syria believed to be controlled by Iran.
Ugh. Two nights ago a friend and I were ruminating that w did so well in his midterms because we were at war, and Iran seemed like trump's most likely target

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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 3:12:36 PM
#277:


I'm curious how they (the DNC) expect someone to perform well enough in the December debate to qualify for January if there are no polls being conducted between the two events.

I felt pretty good about Yang's December performance (despite once again being shorted on time) and I think in terms of actual opinions he easily has the 5 percent support at this point that he would need.

It's quite frustrating -_-

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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 3:21:10 PM
#278:


Additionally I believe Yang will be top 2 or 3 in fundraising once the 4th quarter fundraising totals drop so it's going to be extra frustrating when he doesn't make the stage despite having such measurable support.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/30/19 3:45:20 PM
#279:


https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1211716568599736321?s=19

cant wait for the Joe Biden/Pierre Delecto ticket

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Nelson_Mandela
12/30/19 3:46:41 PM
#280:


A Biden/Romney ticket would make the intersectional left explode so I support it 100%.

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Dancedreamer
12/30/19 3:50:56 PM
#281:


If Biden chose a republican running mate, he should be disqualified from the party.

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LordoftheMorons
12/30/19 3:53:48 PM
#282:


Very much doubt he will actually choose a Republican

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red sox 777
12/30/19 3:57:28 PM
#283:


How about Trump/Sanders vs. Biden/Romney?

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Jakyl25
12/30/19 3:58:54 PM
#284:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
A Biden/Romney ticket would make the intersectional left explode so I support it 100%.


Im not sure what you think the intersectional left already thinks of Biden but I assure you this is right in line with it
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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 4:02:48 PM
#285:


I would be pissed at a Biden/Romney ticket.

And yet I would vote for Biden/Romney over Trump/Pence come election day.

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red sox 777
12/30/19 4:03:18 PM
#286:


I think Trump/Sanders vs. Biden/Romney would be great and would really drive the nail into the coffin of neoliberalism.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 4:05:05 PM
#287:


What is even the point of hypothesizing a Trump/Sanders ticket. He already has a VP.

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red sox 777
12/30/19 4:05:39 PM
#288:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
What is even the point of hypothesizing a Trump/Sanders ticket. He already has a VP.

Trump keeps comparing himself to Lincoln, and Lincoln also ditched his VP after 1 term to pick someone from the other party.

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LordoftheMorons
12/30/19 4:06:53 PM
#289:


Trump very well might dump Pence, but if he does it will be for Ivanka or something because he doesn't trust Pence (despite the fact that Pence is actually too much of a coward to stand against him).

And as you all know I'm not a fan of Bernie, but I don't think so little of him to believe that he'd join a Trump ticket!

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red sox 777
12/30/19 4:08:44 PM
#290:


Bernie's spent a lifetime in opposition and gotten nothing done other than establish that his heart is in the right place. He might decide it's time to see what he can accomplish in power.

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Jakyl25
12/30/19 4:11:30 PM
#291:


red sox 777 posted...


Trump keeps comparing himself to Lincoln, and Lincoln also ditched his VP after 1 term to pick someone from the other party.


Yeah and how did that turn out for him
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Corrik7
12/30/19 4:32:34 PM
#292:


Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah and how did that turn out for him
Trump/Tulsi 2020?

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Leafeon13N
12/30/19 4:33:16 PM
#293:


banananor posted...
Ugh. Two nights ago a friend and I were ruminating that w did so well in his midterms because we were at war, and Iran seemed like trump's most likely target
I mean, the tweet is there.
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ChaosTonyV4
12/30/19 4:56:06 PM
#294:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
A Biden/Romney ticket would make the intersectional left explode so I support it 100%.

Jakyl25 posted...
Im not sure what you think the intersectional left already thinks of Biden but I assure you this is right in line with it

Exactly, we wouldnt explode wed say Literally what have we been saying all along?


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Xeybozn
12/30/19 5:05:36 PM
#295:


I can only think of one potential Republican VP candidate who would have any chance of convincing Republican voters to vote for a Democratic-led unity ticket. Unfortunately for people who want to see that happen, Donald Trump would never agree to be anyone's vice-president.
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Suprak the Stud
12/30/19 6:53:13 PM
#296:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Exactly, we wouldnt explode wed say Literally what have we been saying all along?

I think the far left hates Biden more than just about anyone else based on the level of vitriol Ive seen directed at him so I really dont think theres anything he could do to make them hate him more.

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DoomTheGyarados
12/30/19 6:56:45 PM
#297:


I do not hate Biden. I do not think he is what our country needs.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/30/19 6:59:45 PM
#298:


Hate feels like a strong word.

He's one of the bottom candidates still running, but I will vote for him with a clear conscience if his name is on the ballot.

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xp1337
12/30/19 7:02:07 PM
#299:


biden's just playing the game

he has to be

no former senator could be so dumb as to make the senate tiebreaker the opposite party when it's likely any majority you could have there would be based on the tiebreaker

But really him adding that he couldn't think of any is I think the telling part of it. He's just saying it because it's on "restore the soul" brand stuff.

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Suprak the Stud
12/30/19 7:06:54 PM
#300:


Just to be clear, there is only one person in this topic I consider far left and no just normal left or liberal or moderate dem or whatever else.

Im talking like r/chapotraphouse or equivalent levels of far left.

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Paratroopa1
12/30/19 7:08:17 PM
#301:


Weirdly enough, Biden saying he'd consider a unity ticket in a 4D chess way almost makes me trust him more - his comments about reaching across the aisle to work with republicans have made me feel really uneasy, but I don't believe for a second that he's so friendly with republicans that he'd ACTUALLY consider bringing one on as his VP, so it makes me feel slightly more confident that he'd just playing the game.
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