Current Events > I wonder if this is why hollywood elites whine about capitalism.

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They are rich like mega rich. Many of them have multiple millions and giant mansions. They donate to charity sure, yet still wear clothing worth several thousands that could help lots of poor people.

So why?

Imagine having say 30 million and looking at someone who has 500 million.

That is like how a person with minimum wage who looks at a person who make say $300,000 a year.

They probably feel like they aren't even rich when they see guys like Bezons on the news.

So why should they give up their million dollar mansions and help the poor with it when someone else has billions and could give up their billions instead?

They just an actor with a measily 30 million afterall.

Andrew Garfield called himself middle class a while back.

I truly believe that they don't see themselves as far above the general populace.

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Andrew Garfield called himself middle class a while back.

wtf

<_<
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tamagucci posted...

wtf

he represents the underdog and those marginalized who come up against great prejudice which I, as a middle-class straight, white man, don't really understand so much.

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A lot of them do do charitable work.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n4g6k1a4XYA

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darkphoenix181 posted...

So why should they give up their million dollar mansions and help the poor with it when someone else has billions and could give up their billions instead?

That's right, advocating for higher marginal tax rates on the highest tax brackets in society is hypocritical unless you're willing to become homeless. More of the hard-hitting savant level socioeconomic analysis TC has led us all to expect from him.
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I dunno, maybe. Its not like Ruffalo said anything particularly profound, there, so its no stretch to suggest he's just being a weiner. But from what I understand, his latest film is a project he's been pushing for, and it's hardly a very commercial one and he chose Todd Haynes, of all directors, to make it, so this may be closer to his heart that one is letting on. I don't know much about him or his personal life.

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@Frolex posted...

That's right, advocating for higher marginal tax rates on the highest tax brackets in society is hypocritical unless you're willing to become homeless. More of the hard-hitting savant level socioeconomic analysis TC has led us all to expect from him.

When did I say they should be homeless?

But according to you, giving up real estate worth several millions means becoming homeless?

Why you defend rich elites anyways?
They aren't your advocate.

008Zulu posted...

A lot of them do do charitable work.

They would be stupid not to.
1. Tax break
2. Maintains an image very important for their status and where they live.
3. Networking. Since it is a thing celebs do, they can meet others, even big wig producers when attending say a gala event for some cause.
4. It helps them think it is ok to have so much more wealth than the average person; they gave back a tiny fraction so it is ok.
The funny thing is the more you have, the less a percent sets you back.
Ex: Ellen has given $50 mil to charity and people according to google. That is alot.
She is worth $275 mil though according to google.
So she gave away nearly 20%

But she still has 225 million to buy multiple mansions, fancy cars or whatever else floats her boat.
She at least also profits off of her charity since it creates entertainment value that causes some to watch her show more. Kinda like Mr.Beast; the more he gives the bigger his channel gets and the more money it generates.

Take someone with less.
30 mil.
They give away 10% of their wealth.
Now they have 27 mil.
Enough to buy a mansion and fancy things as well.

But hey, they gave away 3 million!
They gave away more than you or me
Right?

Well, funny thing, Jesus said the widow who gave her 2 mites gave more than everyone else despite rich people giving fortunes to the temple. Why do you think that is?
But I am not saying they give it all away anyways. That was just an example of how percents work, and 10% of little is more than 10% of alot when it comes to being missed by a person who has bills to pay.

darkphoenix181 posted...

When did I say they should be homeless?

what do you think happens to someone who "gives up" their home, genuine question
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Frolex posted...

what do you think happens to someone who "gives up" their home, genuine question

You aren't being honest.
In the op I specifically said give up their mansions. Nowhere does that imply they do not have a home.

Idk where Ruffalo lives but this is the kind of thing he was looking at when he was buying:

Listed for $9.99 million, the five-story home at 161 West 91st Street boasts high-end offerings like a six-stop elevator, a roof deck, and a glassy rear extension that on the ground floor opens completely to a private garden.

darkphoenix181 posted...

You aren't being honest.
In the op I specifically said give up their mansions. Nowhere does that imply they do not have a home.

What level of housing should someone be living in before they are allowed to advocate for higher marginal tax rates on the highest income brackets without being hypocrites?
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Frolex posted...

What level of housing should someone be living in before they are allowed to advocate for higher marginal tax rates on the highest income brackets without being hypocrites?

Marginal tax rates? The dude said we need a revolution and capitalism has failed.

Frolex posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

You aren't being honest.
In the op I specifically said give up their mansions. Nowhere does that imply they do not have a home.

What level of housing should someone be living in before they are allowed to advocate for higher marginal tax rates on the highest income brackets without being hypocrites?

They'll advocate for higher marginal tax rates and then do everything they can to avoid paying it lol
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Tax rates are part of capitalism.
I have no issue with that anyways.

See thread title. Whining about capitalism is saying stuff like it has failed.
Asking for more taxing is not the same thing.

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Russell Brand

TC saw this and decided to do the mental gymnastics to reverse it

darkphoenix181 posted...

Marginal tax rates? The dude said we need a revolution and capitalism has failed.

So then which of policies or politicians outlined in the article he posted are hypocritical? be specific
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Malfunction posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Russell Brand

TC saw this and decided to do the mental gymnastics to reverse it

Man Russell Brand is an idiot but that is a great quote
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Malfunction posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Russell Brand

TC saw this and decided to do the mental gymnastics to reverse it

Man Russell Brand is an idiot but that is a great quote

Not really. This idea that people don't want to talk about inequality is false. Everyone wants to f***ing talk about it, look how many posts every topic about it attracts.
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Frolex posted...

So then which of policies or politicians outlined in the article he posted are hypocritical? be specific

Did I attack the article? My thread is discussing why a rich celeb whines about capitalism while still living his fancy life.
He is calling for revolution and new system.

Infact, I opened the article thanks to your comment and ironically the end of it described Ruffalo types vividly lmao.

If a single cultural idea has upheld the disproportionate power of this class, it has been the idea of the win-win. They could get rich and then give back to you: win-win. They could run a fund that made them sizable returns and offered you social returns too: win-win. They could sell sugary drinks to children in schools and work on public-private partnerships to improve childrens health: win-win. They could build cutthroat technology monopolies and get credit for serving to connect humanity and foster community: win-win.

konokonohamaru posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Malfunction posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Russell Brand

TC saw this and decided to do the mental gymnastics to reverse it

Man Russell Brand is an idiot but that is a great quote

Not really. This idea that people don't want to talk about inequality is false. Everyone wants to f***ing talk about it, look how many posts every topic about it attracts.

Look how many posts bowsette attracted

We're a tiny minority and half of us are just dismissing it like Brand pointed out

In the mainstream and major political figures? They are absolutely not talking about it. Its against their party and lobbyists interests
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Eazy karma farming.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

In the mainstream and major political figures? They are absolutely not talking about it. Its against their party and lobbyists interests

What mainstram media do you claim shy away from discussing economic inequality?

darkphoenix181 posted...

Did I attack the article?

You probably should since that's what he tweeted that got you crying in the first place.

darkphoenix181 posted...

If a single cultural idea has upheld the disproportionate power of this class, it has been the idea of the win-win. They could get rich and then give back to you: win-win. They could run a fund that made them sizable returns and offered you social returns too: win-win. They could sell sugary drinks to children in schools and work on public-private partnerships to improve childrens health: win-win. They could build cutthroat technology monopolies and get credit for serving to connect humanity and foster community: win-win.

What do investment firms, soda companies or tech monoplies have to do with Mark Ruffalo?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Malfunction posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Russell Brand

TC saw this and decided to do the mental gymnastics to reverse it

Man Russell Brand is an idiot but that is a great quote

Not really. This idea that people don't want to talk about inequality is false. Everyone wants to f***ing talk about it, look how many posts every topic about it attracts.

Look how many posts bowsette attracted

We're a tiny minority and half of us are just dismissing it like Brand pointed out

In the mainstream and major political figures? They are absolutely not talking about it. Its against their party and lobbyists interests

Politicians are constantly talking about inequality. The Dem debates are all about healthcare and social safety nets. Even the republican debates talked about it (LOL) and it's sure to come up in the general election.

The problem is no one knows what to do about it. Frankly, Andrew Yang has it right in that technology is creating an inherently more unequal society. The question is what are we gonna do about it? Human nature isn't getting any better, so are we going to rely on more government force to redistribute? To what limit?

People rightly suspect Mark Ruffalo is a hypocrite because imagine Elizabeth Warren gets elected and she immediately institutes a 2% wealth tax. What do you think Mark Ruffalo and all the other wealthy people are gonna do? They're gonna move their assets into tax havens to avoid the tax. So, yes, I do get annoyed when these wealthy people complain about inequality because I think the extent to which they care about it is extremely limited
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darkphoenix181 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

In the mainstream and major political figures? They are absolutely not talking about it. Its against their party and lobbyists interests

What mainstram media do you claim shy away from discussing economic inequality?

Pretty much all of them.

Even you right there literally ran away from corruption cowardly
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

tamagucci posted...

wtf

he represents the underdog and those marginalized who come up against great prejudice which I, as a middle-class straight, white man, don't really understand so much.

That's ridiculous.

I think it's great when celebs with a net worth of $50m+ travel to Africa for 3 days and do an appeal for normal people to send money to the cause rather than give up their own money

Such a selfless act
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konokonohamaru posted...

People rightly suspect Mark Ruffalo is a hypocrite because imagine Elizabeth Warren gets elected and she immediately institutes a 2% wealth tax. What do you think Mark Ruffalo and all the other wealthy people are gonna do? They're gonna move their assets into tax havens to avoid the tax. So, yes, I do get annoyed when these wealthy people complain about inequality because I think the extent to which they care about it is extremely limited

I believe he does nothing because her tax is for people with over $50 mil which he does not have anyways lol.

But is Elizabeth Warren's plan revolution and adopting something besides capitalism? Cause that is what he tweeted for.

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Andrew Garfield called himself middle class a while back.

I truly believe that they don't see themselves as far above the general populace.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA