Current Events > Star wars spoilers - isn't it ironic between the Jedi and Sith

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The Sith ultimate goal is power. Eventually they realize death is inevitable and covet immortality as the ultimate power; that is transcending the most basic natural law.
Yet, no Sith ever attained such power.

However, a bunch of Jedi did. Those who favored discipline and order over power achieved the ultimate goal of those who sought power.

Ofc in the new movie if Palp is back it puts this idea to question but we will see

I thought that was the point of Lukes rant in TLJ

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Ironic isn't it - he could save others from death...but not himself.
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"Not from a Jedi..."
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<_<
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AFrench2 posted...

Ironic isn't it - he could save others from death...but not himself.

Obi-wan couldn't save other but did himself...

Actually I guess he and Qui Gon somehow taught it to all their buddies like Yoda and Anakin

The Sith spend all of their miserable existence desperately trying to stave off death, and fail. They do everything they can to keep their time from coming but it always does.

The Jedi are able to live forever because they accept death and allow it to happen to them when the time comes.


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Darth Plageuis did discover immortality though.

well...almost

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metallica846 posted...

Huge possible spoilers about the Emperor incoming.

time travel yo!

No way?
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The leaks i read don't mention anything about time travel tbh.

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Look into the lore, folks.

Qui-Gon discovers that the power behind immortality is compassion. He conveys this to Yoda in a deleted scene from the end of Revenge of the Sith, and the canon is that his force ghost goes on to continue teaching Yoda and Obi going forward.

It's all irony. Compassion, love is something that Sith would never be able to truly embrace, so the secret is cut off from them. Darth Plagueis never achieved that power; he could only go as far as propping up a dying body to exist in a constant state of pain (see Darth Vader). Sith lords of the past would have to tether their existence to an object or a location, trapped as a ghoul. Palpatine is lying to Anakin about what the Sith have achieved in order to lure him over.

Also ironic that the humanity that the Jedi Order rejects, and the key piece of dogma that fucked up Anakin in the first place, is the ultimate answer to the questions. It took a rebel in Qui-Gon (and Luke) to push through the old ways.

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BruceWayneJr posted...

Also ironic that the humanity that the Jedi Order rejects, and the key piece of dogma that f***ed up Anakin in the first place, is the ultimate answer to the questions. It took a rebel in Qui-Gon (and Luke) to push through the old ways.

Woah.
This is interesting.

All the force ghosts we know of showed great compassion in life as well.

Qui-Gon, rescued Anakin and brings him to be a Jedi despite knowing it would be against their rules.
Obi-Wan, teaches Luke despite knowing he is too old like his former pupil Anakin.
Yoda, does the same as Luke despite his protests of the same nature regarding Anakin.
Anakin, sacrifices himself to save his son despite never actually knowing his son and being all about the dark side.

BruceWayneJr posted...

Look into the lore, folks.

Qui-Gon discovers that the power behind immortality is compassion. He conveys this to Yoda in a deleted scene from the end of Revenge of the Sith, and the canon is that his force ghost goes on to continue teaching Yoda and Obi going forward.

It's all irony. Compassion, love is something that Sith would never be able to truly embrace, so the secret is cut off from them. Darth Plagueis never achieved that power; he could only go as far as propping up a dying body to exist in a constant state of pain (see Darth Vader). Sith lords of the past would have to tether their existence to an object or a location, trapped as a ghoul. Palpatine is lying to Anakin about what the Sith have achieved in order to lure him over.

Also ironic that the humanity that the Jedi Order rejects, and the key piece of dogma that fucked up Anakin in the first place, is the ultimate answer to the questions. It took a rebel in Qui-Gon (and Luke) to push through the old ways.

I wish the prequel trilogy otherwise lived up to this, because its my jam.
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