Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXI: Final Results [smfffc]

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seems fine by me
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gotta switch in someone new tho

Black Mage, White Mage, and Fighter have already been in

so Thief or Black Belt new

... or Warrior of Light
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Genesis rhalsododos

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Maybe we can replace red mage with Red Wizard

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I will antivote cutscene Warrior of Light all day

literally the most useless dude
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Nods

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I stand for Bikke the Pirate, hes like the Fargus of Final Fantasy

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GenesisSaga posted...

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

*two of these things

One isn't Final Fantasy, and one isn't a character

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And he will always be the 4th best character if not higher than 4th forever

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Grimlyn posted...

... or Warrior of Light

I mean he's an actual character so maybe!
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I think it's kinda hilarious that Warrior of Light's bland worthless husk is considered "a character" in some sort of positive light compared to the FF1 classes.

There's way more of a character in the Red Mage's awesome design than Warrior of Light will ever have. Who cares if he has no dialogue.
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yo I've BEEN on board the Warrior of Light hate train for years now

He was the WOOOOORST in the Dissidia games
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Nah he was the most entertaining one to me.

The Dissidia games have such bad writing that it makes all the characters annoying, so I always thought his straight stoicism was the funniest character to watch.
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I'm still not sure I consider him a character in any sort of meaningful way. I feel like if he had no dialogue charon would agree with me too.
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Lopen posted...

I think it's kinda hilarious that Warrior of Light's bland worthless husk is considered "a character" in some sort of positive light compared to the FF1 classes.

There's way more of a character in the Red Mage's awesome design than Warrior of Light will ever have. Who cares if he has no dialogue.

WoL isn't a character in FF1 as far as I know, but he is in WoFF, Dissidia, etc.

Red Mage can't be a character cause you could have a party of 4 Red Mages. Or you can make Bartz a Red Mage, or Luneth. Might as well nominate dresspheres from FFX-2 at that point don't do this

Red Mage is my favorite class so I have nothing against it specifically. I don't think Black Mage or Thief or anything should be eligible either

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This is why I suggest Onion Knight

its a class and a character in Dissidia (and a generic enemy too in VI), so you get to annoy both sides of this argument

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All of these problems and more would be solved by supporting Matoya as the sole FF1 rep next contest

Just sayin'
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Matoya cant be the sole rep because Red Mage will still be there.

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Also Garland
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Espeon posted...

Yikes. Who do we need to boost to kick Tidus out of that top ten?

We can boost you

into orbit lol
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MZero11 posted...

Red Mage can't be a character cause you could have a party of 4 Red Mages

You can have Cloud vs Cloud in Ehrgeiz too. It's a dumb argument imo. And don't get into dressspheres or Bartz this is specifically FF1.
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Wow lopen not going for the intense semantics argument is this a first

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I'm generally the guy intensely arguing against the semantics guy
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Lopen posted...

I'm generally the guy intensely arguing against the semantics guy

Here we go again...

:P

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

yo I've BEEN on board the Warrior of Light hate train for years now

He was the WOOOOORST in the Dissidia games

Where's my Firion love! He and Bartz are the best in those games.

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Firion was one of my mains in Dissidia actually! He's super cool
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Ultimecia top tier.

Though cutscene Ultimecia makes me wonder how anybody stood a chance against her.
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Seriously. How?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AEuN8j2kPK0
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Lopen posted...

You can have Cloud vs Cloud in Ehrgeiz too. It's a dumb argument

Correct.
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FFDragon posted...

Seriously. How?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AEuN8j2kPK0

Cuz dissidia lol bad respect

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I mean clearly squall moves near the speed of light so when time resumes he can react instantly.
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Must remember that for Mercs 5. GameFAQs Squall can move at lightspeed so he should be able to assassinate anyone 1 v 1.
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Can't move beyond 8th place though

FFDragon posted...

Must remember that for Mercs 5. GameFAQs Squall can move at lightspeed so he should be able to assassinate anyone 1 v 1.

anyone except for tails
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FFDragon posted...

Must remember that for Mercs 5. GameFAQs Squall can move at lightspeed so he should be able to assassinate anyone 1 v 1.

I member bringing up Squall dissidia feats no one cared (even more about Zidane)

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Lopen posted...

You can have Cloud vs Cloud in Ehrgeiz too. It's a dumb argument imo. And don't get into dressspheres or Bartz this is specifically FF1.

Cloud isn't from Ehrgeiz originally, first of all

Second of all, there is a specific character who is "Cloud" in the story of FF7. There in no character who is specifically "Red Mage" in FF1. There are 4 heroes of light and any of them could happen to be a Red Mage. Or none of them, or all of them, or two or three

It's literally no different than nominating Dress Spheres or classes from other games like Geomancer from III or Time Mage from V

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I want to nominate Calculator from FFT

Finally putting my math skills to good use

don't FF1 characters in SMFFFC predate the nomination process
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What makes something a character?

Is it a name? Is it dialogue? Is it a unique look? Are Mog's moogle buddies in FFVI not characters because there are like 10 of em and they look the same? The Red Mage can be named, just like any other main character in a FF game.

There are a defined four warriors of light in the story of FF1. It's not like a later game where you can swap classes on the fly or they modify an existing character. The Red Mage is what the Red Mage is and can't change. What little lore the game gives you in the form of art and whatnot highly implies no repeats too-- repetition is possibly mechanics. Of course that means two of the six are "non canon" warriors but that's okay, they're still characters.

But I would say he's more of a character than Warrior of Light because he's more distinctive, personally. Back in the NES days design was everything. I personally think the Red Mage is more of a character than like, Josef, to be quite blunt, given the tools to work with on the NES I could tell you more about what the Red Mage is about than Josef. Not to run down FF2, but yeah. Warrior of Light is just Josef with a voice actor in terms of being memorable.
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Grimlyn posted...

don't FF1 characters in SMFFFC predate the nomination process

Indeed. I think it was Fighter, White Mage, and someone else raytan added in.
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To me, a character is a unique individual.

You can lack dialogue and still be a character. There can be mute characters - Caim in Drakengard gives up his voice to make a pact with a dragon and it doesn't make him any less of a character. There can be characters who don't like the party and refuse to speak to them, or are really stoic, or whatever.

You can lack a name and still be a character. Books sometimes use unnamed protagonists as gimmicks. Like in the book version of Annihilation, the research team is never named - it's "the biologist," "the psychologist," "the archaeologist," and "the surveyor." But biologist is not a character class, it's the specific woman who was on the team.

I feel like Red Mage is questionable because we don't know if one or none or multiple Red Mages were involved in the story of FF1 (though I am not up on the LORE). It's really the possibility of multiple Red Mages that makes me wonder. Like, if there were clearly canonically six individuals, one with each class, and two of them just hang out in the tavern the whole game or whatever, I wouldn't question that.

(But ultimately I don't care that much. I like the hat and would vote Red Mage over a lot of undisputed characters)
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Oh Black Mage, duh.
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not caring is how you truly enjoy life
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and cool hats
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also the best Mario lore involves the distinction of an "Original Mario" and a "Clone Mario" upon touching a Double Cherry power
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Lopen posted...

What makes something a character?

Is it a name? Is it dialogue? Is it a unique look? Are Mog's moogle buddies in FFVI not characters because there are like 10 of em and they look the same? The Red Mage can be named, just like any other main character in a FF game.

There are a defined four warriors of light in the story of FF1. It's not like a later game where you can swap classes on the fly or they modify an existing character. The Red Mage is what the Red Mage is and can't change. What little lore the game gives you in the form of art and whatnot highly implies no repeats too-- repetition is possibly mechanics. Of course that means two of the six are "non canon" warriors but that's okay, they're still characters.

But I would say he's more of a character than Warrior of Light because he's more distinctive, personally. Back in the NES days design was everything. I personally think the Red Mage is more of a character than like, Josef, to be quite blunt, given the tools to work with on the NES I could tell you more about what the Red Mage is about than Josef. Not to run down FF2, but yeah. Warrior of Light is just Josef with a voice actor in terms of being memorable.

It's been pretty aptly explained. It would be a lot different for me personally if FF1 forced you to have a predetermined party that's made up of certain character classes; that to me would be enough of a character to have never mentioned it. It's the fact you can have many or no red mages in your party at your choosing that bothers me; it becomes a unit at that point and not a character. They're much like Pokemon to me; you can get attached to them, you can treat them as characters if you want, but at the end of the day outside of the legendary ones Pokemon in their own universe are not characters but species. In terms of Final Fantasy, a red mage is a class instead of being a species but it's the same thing. You can play the game with or without the class/species, or you can have multiple ones at your choosing. I really feel like it's a pretty sound argument that can't really be refuted, I mean every part of your argument is invalid. I mean even the Four Warriors of Light thing; Red Mage is not even one of those according to Square.

I'm not lobbying for the removal of them anyway, I don't care anymore because that ship sailed away a long time ago and given that every host this contest has had has probably has a nice negative opinion of me anyway I doubt you have to worry about losing your FF1 classes because someone thinks something I've said has enough merit to change the book on the subject.
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v_charon posted...

Red Mage is not even one of those according to Square.

Why does that matter? A non canon warrior of light is as much a character as a canon one.
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Lopen posted...

. I personally think the Red Mage is more of a character than like, Josef, to be quite blunt, given the tools to work with on the NES I could tell you more about what the Red Mage is about than Josef. Not to run down FF2, but yeah. Warrior of Light is just Josef with a voice actor in terms of being memorable.

Sure a guy stops one boulder with his face and now you talk trash

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In reality, Red Mage is my main job class in Final Fantasy XIV. My character's name is my own -- Quinton. Every time any of you saved Red Mage, you saved me. And when Red Mage died, so too did I draw my last breath. I am dead.

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