Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 247: Election Night 2019!

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Also, the Constitution bans bills of attainder. That was the old method of taking money from people the King didn't like.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

The wealth tax is dumb. If you want to go after that money without creating an incredibly hard to implement (and potentially unconstitutional, apparently?) tax it would be much better to just make like a 50% inheritance tax instead.

But then we have to go through the effort of murdering all the billionaires

Not really, the guillotine was specifically designed to make executions quick, easy, and painless.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Ugh I actually usually like Bloomberg, but why??

https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1192567669062590466

I think he actually siphons votes from Warren more than anyone. Probably Bernie's only path to victory.
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To add to that, I think biden's base is strongly blacks and white moderates. Bloomberg strikes me more as someone with an elitist (educated) backing, which overlaps with Warren. That leaves Bernie to run wild with the less educated progressives.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

To add to that, I think biden's base is strongly blacks and white moderates. Bloomberg strikes me more as someone with an elitist (educated) backing, which overlaps with Warren. That leaves Bernie to run wild with the less educated progressives.

It makes sense.
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I mean according to the Q poll cross tabs posted last page, Warren has higher support with college educated whites (21%), but her non-college degree support is at 19%. The idea that her voting base is overwhelmingly liberal elites is probably just due to her media image. If anything, Buttigieg fits that more - he has a 24/15 split.

If anything sets Warren apart in her coalition (which is more spread out than Bernie's and Biden's), at least according to this Iowa poll, it's that she's more popular with the suburban middle class (50-100k) compared to everyone except Buttigieg. Unless the suburban middle class in Iowa are the liberal elites...?

Obviously would have to see more polls though.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I mean according to the Q poll cross tabs posted last page, Warren has higher support with college educated whites (21%), but her non-college degree support is at 19%. The idea that her voting base is overwhelmingly liberal elites is probably just due to her media image. If anything, Buttigieg fits that more - he has a 24/15 split.

If anything sets Warren apart in her coalition (which is more spread out than Bernie's and Biden's), at least according to this Iowa poll, it's that she's more popular with the suburban middle class (50-100k) compared to everyone except Buttigieg. Unless the suburban middle class in Iowa are the liberal elites...?

Obviously would have to see more polls though.

The liberal elite could be as much as 54% of the country.
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red sox 777 posted...

The liberal elite could be as much as 54% of the country.

Well if Warren's dedicated base is "everyone who didn't vote for Trump" that probably bodes very well for her election odds.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

The liberal elite could be as much as 54% of the country.

Well if Warren's dedicated base is "everyone who didn't vote for Trump" that probably bodes very well for her election odds.

That was Hillary's base though, and it wasn't enough.
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red sox 777 posted...

That was Hillary's base though, and it wasn't enough.

Hillary only got 48%. You just gave her 6% more. Libertarians are part of the liberal elite now. Those are the rules!

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Not_an_Owl posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

The wealth tax is dumb. If you want to go after that money without creating an incredibly hard to implement (and potentially unconstitutional, apparently?) tax it would be much better to just make like a 50% inheritance tax instead.

But then we have to go through the effort of murdering all the billionaires

Not really, the guillotine was specifically designed to make executions quick, easy, and painless.

I think it's extremely funny to imagine that we're killing off billionaires but then only imposing a 50% inheritance tax. we're just gonna have to kill their kids too, jeez!

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

That was Hillary's base though, and it wasn't enough.

Hillary only got 48%. You just gave her 6% more. Libertarians are part of the liberal elite now. Those are the rules!

Well, if the libertarians are joining forces with the liberal elite, I guess it's time to invest in bread lines and homeless shelters, as between them the working class are going to have all their jobs taken away.
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A few days old, but

https://twitter.com/net_enforcer/status/1191230236756758534?s=21

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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/sen-kamala-harris-introduces-bill-to-lengthen-school-day-by-three-hours.html

the fuck, to hell with that noise
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https://twitter.com/yappelbaum/status/1192622066719215616?s=21

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Grimlyn posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/sen-kamala-harris-introduces-bill-to-lengthen-school-day-by-three-hours.html

the fuck, to hell with that noise

Umm. After reading past just the headline I think I'm on board.

It doesn't sound like they are requiring kids to stay at school 3 more hours. It sounds more like they would be requiring schools provide extracurricular programs that go 3 hours past the normal school day. If you're a single parent working a 9 to 5 I could see that being incredibly helpful.

But yeah the headline makes it sound like ass.
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lmao they already don't pay teachers anything there's no way they are going to pay multiple people 3 more hours to do that
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https://twitter.com/LoFiRepublican/status/1192126945741475840

I have to say, even though I do enjoy some Epstein jokes, I think this is the correct take here. The establishment, by joining in on this, is mocking us. They are bragging about what they were able to get away with. They are laughing at us, not with us...
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https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1191856089010253824

wat

... Jesse Waters has a segment where he just reads his mom dunking on him in texts?
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She should have a show instead of Jesse


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what always comes to mind RE:Jesse Waters is his gross China Town segment
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Yeah I think that was when I learned that he existed. Several of my Chinese friends posted about it on Facebook.

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FFDragon posted...

lmao they already don't pay teachers anything there's no way they are going to pay multiple people 3 more hours to do that

Well yeah, teacher compensation needs to change for sure.
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FFDragon posted...

lmao they already don't pay teachers anything there's no way they are going to pay multiple people 3 more hours to do that

Teachers are on salary. They wont be paid any more for those 3 hours.
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Maniac64 posted...

FFDragon posted...

lmao they already don't pay teachers anything there's no way they are going to pay multiple people 3 more hours to do that

Teachers are on salary. They wont be paid any more for those 3 hours.

I'm all for making teachers work longer hours for the same pay
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gotta love the capitalist hellscape we live in where we can't pay teachers to take care of the kids that the parents can't take care of because they have to work

It isn't even an issue of monetary compensation, necessarily. Teachers already work more than full time. Giving them more money is not going to make an extra 3 hours of work every day worth it.

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Maniac64 posted...

FFDragon posted...

lmao they already don't pay teachers anything there's no way they are going to pay multiple people 3 more hours to do that

Teachers are on salary. They wont be paid any more for those 3 hours.

I'm all for making teachers work longer hours for the same pay

I wasnt saying that's a good thing...
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lmaooooooo this Jeff Sessions Senate ad:
https://twitter.com/Timodc/status/1192623155808014341

Might be the most pathetic thing since Ted Cruz phonebanking for Trump after Trump said Cruz's dad killed JFK

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Teachers are already the most entitled profession next to NYC fire fighters so I see no issue with Harris's proposal
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Re teacher pay, from the article:

Teachers and faculty, the bill says, would not have to work additional hours unless they sign up for an extra shift, for which they would be compensated at the rate they get during normal school hours.

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Shouldn't it be time and a half, since it'd be overtime? It's like our time isn't valued at all.

Nrrr posted...

It isn't even an issue of monetary compensation, necessarily. Teachers already work more than full time. Giving them more money is not going to make an extra 3 hours of work every day worth it.

I'm not thinking about paying teachers more, I'm thinking about paying more teachers

Paratroopa1 posted...

Nrrr posted...

It isn't even an issue of monetary compensation, necessarily. Teachers already work more than full time. Giving them more money is not going to make an extra 3 hours of work every day worth it.

I'm not thinking about paying teachers more, I'm thinking about paying more teachers

(I mean also pay teachers more, I'm just saying that if this is to be done we need more people to share the workload)

kamala probably just wants to increase the time kids have to be at school so she can arrest more parents for truancy tbh.

We need less time in school and more competition among students. Less teaching, more testing.
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And not annoying quizzes to check if students did the reading or were paying attention. Full blown, extremely hard, high stakes tests to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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In his new book, Donald Trump Jr. talks about how he went to Arlington cemetery and... thought about the sacrifices he and his family have made. About how they lost all this opportunity to make money. My father and grandfather were both killed in action. I never knew my grandfather, and my dad died when I was 9. The Trump family is so incredibly privileged, that they think they can compare losing money to losing family members. And somehow this will play well with many of the same people who'll get upset about Collin Kaepernick kneeling for the flag.

SmartMuffin posted...

https://twitter.com/LoFiRepublican/status/1192126945741475840

I have to say, even though I do enjoy some Epstein jokes, I think this is the correct take here. The establishment, by joining in on this, is mocking us. They are bragging about what they were able to get away with. They are laughing at us, not with us...

Even if I grant you that Epstein didnt kill himself, just how many people do you think were in on this conspiracy? Its not like wars for oil or mass surveillance where we know why each and every vote goes the way it does.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Even if I grant you that Epstein didnt kill himself, just how many people do you think were in on this conspiracy? Its not like wars for oil or mass surveillance where we know why each and every vote goes the way it does.

If you wanna have a #ConspiracyMinute, werent there literally just two guards on duty, one of whom was brand new, and they both fell asleep?

A fraction of the amount compared to some other absurd conspiracies people believe in.


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"ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If you wanna have a #ConspiracyMinute, werent there literally just two guards on duty, one of whom was brand new, and they both fell asleep?

A fraction of the amount compared to some other absurd conspiracies people believe in.

They also just happened to have the cameras outside his cell malfunction, rendering footage of the event unusable, and no reason has been given for the malfunction. Jeff was supposed to have a roommate in his cell, but his roommate was transferred one day before Epstein's death, leaving him alone, despite the staff widely being notified expressly NOT to leave him alone at any time. Mark Epstein and the medical examiner for the family, Michael Baden, say they believe the evidence points towards Jeff being murdered, noting that

Baden claimed the first forensic pathologist to examine Epstein was inconclusive as to whether it was a suicide and that a higher-up made the final determination by checking the suicide box.

keep in mind- Baden was PRESENT for this. He could be lying, but that's a conspiracy theory in of itself!

He had several broken bones in his neck, including the hyoid bone, which is more common in strangulation than hanging. He was previously attacked BY STRANGULATION and found unconscious in his cell, when his roommate was a cop who was in prison for murdering people BY STRANGULATION and had previously been found to have a cell phone in the prison recently. Not to mention the idea that the paper thin bedsheets and the kneeling really hard broke multiple neck bones is laughable.

also, they still haven't raided his new mexico ranch.

We have no idea what footage was or wasn't available. All we know is that --supposedly--- (this has been unconfirmed by federal officials) there were two cameras that malfunctioned, and that one camera in the area did not get usable footage. But we also know that another camera had clearer footage in the same area. So we don't really know how or if the investigation was affected by the camera (or cameras) yet. We don't even know what the malfunction was!

People made up their mind long before any evidence came out. As soon as Epstein died, most people decided right there that Epstein was murdered -- and no amount of evidence would convince them otherwise.

I'm not saying it's impossible for it to be murder. But I'd need a lot more evidence than we have right now. People are trying to solve the puzzle without having most of the pieces. They're like "See this is suspicious!" without knowing enough details. Of course it's suspicious! You don't have enough details! Anything can be suspicious without enough details.
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Dancedreamer posted...

I'm not saying it's impossible for it to be murder. But I'd need a lot more evidence than we have right now. People are trying to solve the puzzle without having most of the pieces. They're like "See this is suspicious!" without knowing enough details. Of course it's suspicious! You don't have enough details! Anything can be suspicious without enough details.

I mean...as mentioned, it's come out recently that his injuries are more likely with being strangled than suicide, so if you wanted more evidence, there it is.

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just how many people do you think were in on this conspiracy?

the entire system is a conspiracy

at a minimum, the answer is "every government employee and every journalist"

did they all have specific knowledge of epstein's murder? no
do they all continually support and feed a system wherein this sort of thing is inevitable? yes
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I mean...as mentioned, it's came out recently that his injuries are more likely with being strangled than suicide, so if you wanted more evidence, there it is.

Key-word: More-likely. Which means "They happen more often in these situations, but can still happen in the other situation."

Also, apparently in this massive coverup where they decided to make it look like Epstein killed himself, the same group who was able to pay off the guards, make the cameras 'malfunction' and get in and out without being seen, were also too stupid to hang epstein and make it look like he hung himself so his injuries would be consistent with hanging, and instead strangeld him and then hung him. Apparently they're consummate professionals until they aren't.

Honestly if we want a conspiracy: Epstein killed himself, had someone pay the guards off so he could do it. Probably in cash.

Either that or we go in an ENTIRELY different direction and go super crazy.

Epstein is still alive, and living on an island somewhere. His death was faked by his co-conspirators with a body double! Who they paid everyone off to identify as Epstein. Dental records were switched, along with all other records.
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Never attribute to malice what can be explained away by incompetence.
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That's really my only issue with it, that these people are masterminds and covered up every aspect almost flawlessly... But then bungled literally the most important part
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Dancedreamer posted...

Key-word: More-likely. Which means "They happen more often in these situations, but can still happen in the other situation."

Also, apparently in this massive coverup where they decided to make it look like Epstein killed himself, the same group who was able to pay off the guards, make the cameras 'malfunction' and get in and out without being seen, were also too stupid to hang epstein and make it look like he hung himself so his injuries would be consistent with hanging, and instead strangeld him and then hung him. Apparently they're consummate professionals until they aren't.

Honestly if we want a conspiracy: Epstein killed himself, had someone pay the guards off so he could do it. Probably in cash.

That scenario isn't even that preposterous. This isn't Phoenix Wright and crimes don't have to be perfect for people to get away with them.

FWIW I do think Epstein being allowed to kill himself is a likely scenario, too. But whether it was deliberately part of a cover up or just because the guards didn't care about his life...I mean, that is still ridiculously corrupt. How is that any more palatable than if he was literally murdered?

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I mean our prison system is corrupt anyway, even without the Epstein case. I mean we have private prisons and detention centers whose goal is headcount. I mean kids for cash anyone?
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Dancedreamer posted...

I mean our prison system is corrupt anyway, even without the Epstein case. I mean we have private prisons and detention centers whose goal is headcount. I mean kids for cash anyone?

This is the point!

No matter how Epstein died - a literal conspiracy, suicide/murder via negligence, or an honest accident - it is a complete fucking joke that we have a prison system that allowed this to happen. People's anger manifested in the conspiracy theory but the root of the theory is how corrupt our prison system is.

Edit: To elaborate, even in the "accident" scenario, it requires multiple people working at the prison to not give a shit about making sure a prisoner doesn't kill themselves or to be incompetent in preventing that. And that shouldn't be acceptable.

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