Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 247: Election Night 2019!

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Almost all of Yangs 4%+ polls have been random non counting polls. And he's put up 3% in like 10 polls that count. It's going to take a nice November debate bump to qualify for December I think. I know he's been expanding his number of offices as well, but that additional ground game hasn't translated to % yet.
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red sox 777 posted...

If Warren is winning liberal elites, it seems like her messaging is failing pretty hard.

She's winning "liberal elites," not "liberal" elites.

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Also mother freaking Gabbard qualified for November so we're going to have 10 again. This is getting ridiculous.

Edit: And Klobuchar qualified for December because they gave her sooooo much speaking time in October. This is awful news.
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HeroicSpiderPig posted...

red sox 777 posted...

If Warren is winning liberal elites, it seems like her messaging is failing pretty hard.

She's winning "liberal elites," not "liberal" elites.

It's the "elites" part that's the problem, not the "liberal" part.
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https://twitter.com/thesocietydude/status/1191885535159214081?s=21

Greta Derangement Syndrome strikes again
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also mother freaking Gabbard qualified for November so we're going to have 10 again. This is getting ridiculous.

Edit: And Klobuchar qualified for December because they gave her sooooo much speaking time in October. This is awful news.

Thanks Hillary.
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I'd assume that VA will also be good for Biden? Hillary did well there and a lot of the recent shift in the state has been moderate Republicans switching to the Dems because Trump is awful.

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I didnt throw VA, CA, NY, IL, or NJ in there but they could be good for Biden too.

The other seven I listed will be great for him.
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I feel like they're setting the debate requirements so low to help Biden, and give less time to the progressive wing. Which is dumb, but DNC is going to DNC.
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Jakyl25 posted...

One of my favorite things is the weird tension between the openly bigoted alt-right and the new right which is still just as bigoted but wants to be sly about it to be more effective

this is the wrong framing

the alt-right isn't openly bigoted, but they are openly don't-give-a-shit-if-you-call-them-bigoted. to the uneducated, that might seem like the same thing, but it really isn't.

Kirk and Shapiro and Crenshaw and everyone else are just the same sad sack neocons we've always had. They aren't any different than Mitt Romney in the sense that if you call them a racist, they immediately abandon all logic, reason, and principles and will say or do or offer you absolutely anything to stop calling them mean names.
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https://twitter.com/Mr_Berman/status/1192172092990656514

This looks pretty good for Bernie in Iowa. By far the most excited, and committed voters.

HeroicSpiderPig posted...

red sox 777 posted...

If Warren is winning liberal elites, it seems like her messaging is failing pretty hard.

She's winning "liberal elites," not "liberal" elites.

She also doesn't have a message or plan. The liberal elites like her because they're the ones watching the news, and the MSM is doing everything in its power to push her as the nominee.
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https://hedgewik.com/2019/11/06/49-off-the-deep-end/
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Muffin what's your take on Richard Spencer?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Muffin what's your take on Richard Spencer?

I don't know much of anything about him, really. The "controlled opposition" theory seems plausible enough. On the other hand, a bunch of people I follow used to re-tweet him quite a bit and it seemed like he had some reasonably intelligent takes (although some garbage ones too, to be sure).
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

HeroicSpiderPig posted...

red sox 777 posted...

If Warren is winning liberal elites, it seems like her messaging is failing pretty hard.

She's winning "liberal elites," not "liberal" elites.

She also doesn't have a message or plan. The liberal elites like her because they're the ones watching the news, and the MSM is doing everything in its power to push her as the nominee.

That would be a sad ending to a career of fighting for the working class, to become the leader the elites want.
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Nrrr posted...

https://twitter.com/Mr_Berman/status/1192172092990656514

This looks pretty good for Bernie in Iowa. By far the most excited, and committed voters.

oh hell yeah.


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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Almost all of Yangs 4%+ polls have been random non counting polls. And he's put up 3% in like 10 polls that count. It's going to take a nice November debate bump to qualify for December I think. I know he's been expanding his number of offices as well, but that additional ground game hasn't translated to % yet.

the constant 3%s are annoying, but he's said that he's just finally started to spend money and is planning to ramp things up, his first ads have gone out, and his wife is joining him on the campaign trail. have you seen any of her interviews/ads? she's wonderful! i don't think any of these polls have been after the opening of the offices and all this other stuff, so, we'll see...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1077916?__twitter_impression=true

Well this is gonna be a mess now

(I think Sessions godstomps the primary and general fwiw)
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1077916?__twitter_impression=true

Well this is gonna be a mess now

(I think Sessions godstomps the primary and general fwiw)

You think hell win a Republican primary where Trump is against him? That seems almost impossible
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1077916?__twitter_impression=true

Well this is gonna be a mess now

(I think Sessions godstomps the primary and general fwiw)

You think hell win a Republican primary where Trump is against him? That seems almost impossible

Trump campaigned against Roy fucking Moore and it didn't matter. I think Alabamans go for the guys who have been around forever.
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Yeah but the party is a lot more up Trumps ass since then.

Then again, if it comes down to Sessions and Moore, I could see Trump just staying out of it completely until the general
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ok but hear me out:

Trump campaigns for Roy Moore because he's a vindictive moron.

Doug Jones somehow wins reelection.

lmao

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SmartMuffin posted...

https://hedgewik.com/2019/11/06/49-off-the-deep-end/

oh are you descending into the alt right to retroactively bolster your old slippery slope arguments ?
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Wow, it took me ~5 seconds to see an antisemitic caricature on that site.

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Yeah, Sessions is winning. If Trump was going to campaign against him because he looked like a RINO, that would be one thing. But you really can't question Sessions's conservativeness or loyalty to the Republican Party.
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Dels posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Almost all of Yangs 4%+ polls have been random non counting polls. And he's put up 3% in like 10 polls that count. It's going to take a nice November debate bump to qualify for December I think. I know he's been expanding his number of offices as well, but that additional ground game hasn't translated to % yet.

the constant 3%s are annoying, but he's said that he's just finally started to spend money and is planning to ramp things up, his first ads have gone out, and his wife is joining him on the campaign trail. have you seen any of her interviews/ads? she's wonderful! i don't think any of these polls have been after the opening of the offices and all this other stuff, so, we'll see...

I saw the CNN interview. She's pretty great yeah. I'm still hopeful he'll be regularly polling 5% by mid December, but these large debate fields do not work in his favor. I was really pleased with his initiative in the October debate and I hope he has a similar performance in 2 weeks.

And I hope the moderators realize that Klobuchar isn't bringing anything to the table so they shouldn't give her almost 15 dang minutes.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

https://hedgewik.com/2019/11/06/49-off-the-deep-end/

oh are you descending into the alt right to retroactively bolster your old slippery slope arguments ?

Descending?!

He was there first!
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Very fun to see all of these "principled libertarians" descend into nazism!

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He was never libertarian. He's authoritarian, and like all authoritarians he's hypocritical and doesn't want his own bullshit to affect him negatively in any way so he calls himself something else.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1077916?__twitter_impression=true

Well this is gonna be a mess now

(I think Sessions godstomps the primary and general fwiw)

Yeah I dont know what mess youre talking about. Sessions wins both the primary and General with like 65%+ of the vote.
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Rudy admitting that everything he did in Ukraine was to advance Trumps political interests and not the United States interests:

https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1192180680391843841?s=21

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https://i.imgur.com/E9hTqj6.jpg
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1192173803171983362?s=21

This fucking piece of shit is still letting Erdogan come to the White House after his war crimes in Syria?

Maybe his goons will beat up some American protestors again!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

This fucking piece of shit is still letting Erdogan come to the White House after his war crimes in Syria?

Maybe his goons will beat up some American protestors again!

he literally already knew what was going to happen when he withdrew the troops. Its not like it was some sort of revelation to Trump. He just didn't anticipate the backlash because in his mind no one gives a shit about anyone but Americans.
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SmartMuffin posted...

https://i.imgur.com/E9hTqj6.jpg

But he signed it!
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Guessing this isn't how Steyer wanted to break into the news:
https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1192494110604713984

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if you think about it the end result might be getting some money out of politics
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lmao did Steyer even have any endorsements?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/ukraine-trump-zelensky.html

KIEV, Ukraine It was early September, and Ukraines new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, faced an agonizing choice: whether to capitulate to President Trumps demands to publicly announce investigations against his political enemies or to refuse, and lose desperately needed military aid.
Only Mr. Trump could unlock the aid, he had been told by two United States senators, and time was running out. If the money, nearly $400 million, were not unblocked by the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30, it could be lost in its entirety.
In a flurry of WhatsApp messages and meetings in Ukraines capital, Kiev, over several days, senior aides debated the point. Avoiding partisan politics in the United States had always been the first rule of Ukrainian foreign policy, but the military aid was vital to the war against Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, a conflict that has cost 13,000 lives since it began in 2014.
By then, however, Mr. Zelenskys staffers were already conceding to what seemed to be the inevitable, and making plans for a public announcement about the investigations. It was a fateful decision for a fledgling president elected on an anticorruption platform that included putting an end to politically motivated investigations.
Elements of this internal Ukrainian debate have appeared in the Ukrainian news media and seeped into congressional testimony in the United States, as part of an impeachment inquiry undertaken after accusations surfaced of Mr. Trumps demands.
But interviews in Kiev with government officials, lawmakers and others close to the Zelensky government have revealed new details of how high-level Ukrainian officials ultimately decided to acquiesce to President Trumps request and, by a stroke of luck, never had to follow through.
Aides were arguing in favor of bowing to what was demanded, said Petro Burkovskiy, a senior fellow at the Democratic Initiatives Foundation who has close ties to the Ukrainian government. They were willing to do so, he said, despite the risk of losing bipartisan support in the United States by appearing to assist Mr. Trumps re-election bid. The cost was high.

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Finally bending to the White House request, Mr. Zelenskys staff planned for him to make an announcement in an interview on Sept. 13 with Fareed Zakaria, the host of a weekly news show on CNN.
Though plans were in motion to give the White House the public statement it had sought, events in Washington saved the Ukrainian government from any final decision and eliminated the need to make the statement.
Word of the freeze in military aid had leaked out, and Congress was in an uproar. Two days before the scheduled interview, the Trump administration released the assistance and Mr. Zelenskys office quickly canceled the interview.

Zelensky was scheduled to deliver the quo (the statement of investigation into Biden). If word of the freeze hadn't leaked, Trump would have gotten away with it.

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but he said "no pressure" totally clears the president, thank you
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So, Trump has nominated Steven Menashi to the 2nd District Court. He worked with Betsy DeVos and illegally used social security data to deny debt relief to college students.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-slams-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-wealth-tax-2019-11

Hillary Clinton fucking sucks lmao

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I look forward to republicans reposting that to talk about how Clinton is a reasonable democrat after years of demonizing her as the literal antichrist.
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The wealth tax is dumb. If you want to go after that money without creating an incredibly hard to implement (and potentially unconstitutional, apparently?) tax it would be much better to just make like a 50% inheritance tax instead.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-slams-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-wealth-tax-2019-11

Hillary Clinton fucking sucks lmao

That wealth tax would cost her a lot of money. Like 1 million+ per year.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

The wealth tax is dumb. If you want to go after that money without creating an incredibly hard to implement (and potentially unconstitutional, apparently?) tax it would be much better to just make like a 50% inheritance tax instead.

Almost certainly unconstitutional. It is the very definition of a direct tax not apportioned among the states that is not an income tax.
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Yeah a wealth tax requires a constitutional amendment. But Warren has a "plan."
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Ugh I actually usually like Bloomberg, but why??

https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1192567669062590466

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The wealth tax is dumb. If you want to go after that money without creating an incredibly hard to implement (and potentially unconstitutional, apparently?) tax it would be much better to just make like a 50% inheritance tax instead.

But then we have to go through the effort of murdering all the billionaires

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