Current Events > Jurors STRUGGLED to Convict AMBER GUYGER and considered a LIGHTER SENTENCE!!

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Full Throttle
10/04/19 10:26:00 PM
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If someone you loved was killed the same way in this situation, could you forgive them? - Results (16 votes)
Yes. I have forgiveness and if they truly do have regret, i'd ask for a light sentence too
12.5% (2 votes)
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I can forgive them but i wouldn't press for a light sentence either. That sends a bad message to other would be accident
18.75% (3 votes)
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F*** No. accidentally going into someone's place and shooting them dead is unforgivable
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The 18 y/o Brother and 2 Jurors are now speaking out after the light 10 year sentence against Racist, Amber Guyger, the female police officer who shot and killed an innocent man eating ice cream in his own home after mistaking it for her own.

Brandt Jean said he DOESN'T regret hugging the woman who killed his brother and said that he LOVED HER and DIDN'T want to see her in PRISON. He said "In usual instances, the words mean something but i didn't think that was enough. That was jut my gesture..of letting her know i truly forgive her. No one else's way, just my decision. Each and everyone has just steps to get where it's forgiving. I went through those faster than others. Understand, she is a human being.She still deserves love. She madea mistake that she probably truly regrets. I waited one year to hear her story and i'm grateful for that"

2 Jurors have now spoken out, an african american woman and white male juror who said that the decision was "one of the hardest things" they've eve rhad to do and thought about what 26 y/o Jean would have wanted.

Guyger was facing 5-llife in prison and the prosecutors pushed for 28 years but jurors settled on a decade, a decision some argued didn't equate to justice for Jean.

The female juror said "They were asking for 28 years. I'm going to be honest and true, i can't give her 28 years. I know a lot of people aren't happy about the 10 years but i felt this case was not like any other case. You can't compare this case to any of those other officers killing unarmed black men. Those officers that killed unarmed black men,k when they got out, they went back to living their lives. Amber Guyger, ever since she killed that man, she hasn't been the same. She's shown remorse. She's going to have to deal with that for the rest of her life. One thing Botham can teach us all is that we should all love each other instead of hate each other. If botham would have gotten just shot and not killed, i think he would have forgiven her"

The male juror said there was a lot of crying where they were deciding her fate as some even suggested LESS than 10 years and said after hearing his family talk about him about being a kind and caring and forgiving man, he was having a hard time finding any jail time for her and doesn't want to take harsh vengeance and said "I felt like he would forgive her"

Jean's parents, Allison and Bertrum spoke at their son's congregation and said while they were prepared to forgive her, said her actions of killing their son had to have consequences. They said they don't hate her but she's broken them and said God is Good after their other son hugged her and said today was "remarkable" but doesn't want the community to believe they are not angry as forgiveness as chritians is a healing for them.

They also blasted the Dallas Police dept for handling the case after they TURNED OFF body cameras during the crime scene.

Judge Tammy Kemp is also blasted for her decision in giving Guyger a BIBLE and HUGGING HER at the trial which was inappropriate and deeply offensive and is being investigated.

If someone killed a person you loved the way Amber Guyger did, would you forgive them?

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SideshowBob311
10/04/19 10:29:17 PM
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They should have struggled...murder was the incorrect charge here. Without any sort of motive, forethought, or malice this definitely seemed like manslaughter or negligent homicide
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10/04/19 10:31:03 PM
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Get a better proof reader for the garbage you edit in
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BignutzisBack
10/04/19 10:31:28 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
"They were asking for 28 years. I'm going to be honest and true, i can't give her 28 years. I know a lot of people aren't happy about the 10 years but i felt this case was not like any other case. You can't compare this case to any of those other officers killing unarmed black men. Those officers that killed unarmed black men,k when they got out


Got out from where? The only difference there is between this case and the other ones is that the officer actually got arrested because it was so blatant

Bum ass jury smh

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Offworlder1
10/04/19 10:34:56 PM
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I would ask for the harshest sentence possible and not forgive them because they are a piece of shit.

It is sickening that all these people are hugging this murderer as if she is the victim, she killed an innocent man in his own home. The weak will of all these people wanting her to get off light sends a horrible message of "as long as your a woman who cries and feels sad you murdered a man we will go easy on you".

If this was a male police officer who killed a woman in the exact same situation no one would be going easy on him, he would be crucified and shown to be an evil monster.
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Machete
10/04/19 10:44:01 PM
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If I was was a relative of the deceased, I would offer a hug too... with the words "don't ever leave prison. The world you know will be done and on fire if you do. Beg to stay locked up. That is all."
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St0rmFury
10/05/19 12:54:02 AM
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White & vagina privilege.
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Ving_Rhames
10/05/19 1:04:41 AM
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Ah America, always with the poor atrocity committing white woman shit we must coddle and feel sympathy for her! Bonus points for her being a cop and Americans loving boots on their necks.
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Esrac
10/05/19 1:04:47 AM
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I don't think I've ever seen a case where someone was convicted of murder and the victim's family and the judge gave the murderer a hug.

This could only happen to a blonde white woman.

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cjsdowg
10/05/19 1:07:07 AM
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That Betty in blue needs to be slapped across the face.

Amber.. Lied on stand about Bo. Covered up evidence, didn't help him as he was bleeding out, tried to defame him, starting hooking up with married loved 2 days afters by phone, when on a vacation and more. And that girl thinks she was remorseful .

And that dude. He needs to right to hell. I hate them both.
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amzpeng
10/05/19 1:09:35 AM
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people are scary
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cjsdowg
10/05/19 1:10:07 AM
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SideshowBob311 posted...
They should have struggled...murder was the incorrect charge here. Without any sort of motive, forethought, or malice this definitely seemed like manslaughter or negligent homicide


A rapper got 55 years for Murder when he didn't even pull the trigger. He was doing another crime. So yeah you can get murder with out having that. Beyond that ..

One you don't need motive to get convicted or murder . Next There was both forthought and malice she admitted that on the got damn stand.
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amzpeng
10/05/19 1:11:08 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Next There was both forthought and malice she admitted that on the got damn stand.

can you tell me more? I was of the impression she was fearful and believed she was in her own apt
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Abiz_
10/05/19 1:12:22 AM
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People need to back the fuck off Brandt Jean. If this is how he finds closure to losing his brother. You(talking in general) need to fuck right off with your feel good revenge. Seeing way to many people on twitter and youtube going after him.
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Kastrada
10/05/19 1:12:57 AM
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amzpeng posted...
can you tell me more? I was of the impression she was fearful and believed she was in her own apt


She didn't administer first aid to him and instead focused on herself, which would meet the definition of malice, both the dictionary definition and one of the legal definitions.

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cjsdowg
10/05/19 1:14:41 AM
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amzpeng posted...

can you tell me more? I was of the impression she was fearful and believed she was in her own apt


She wasn't in her own Apartment. She said she went in willing to kill the person inside, and when firing she meant to kill him.

If you can see what she is shooting( like you are trained to do before you fire) then she would have seen she was in the wrong place .
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Zeeak4444
10/05/19 2:51:10 AM
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Encouraging irresponsibility with fire arms.

Great people.

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CADE FOSTER
10/05/19 3:22:16 AM
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runewalshPSiv
10/05/19 4:40:13 AM
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metallica846 posted...
10 years is too much for an accident.

That was no accident
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StealthRock
10/05/19 5:10:48 AM
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St0rmFury posted...
White & vagina privilege.

This

Fuck her racist ass. Let her get locked up.

The family's and judge's passive actions are disgraceful
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Irony
10/05/19 5:12:17 AM
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metallica846 posted...
10 years is too much for an accident.

Yeah no this demonstrably wasn't an accident
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trappedunderice
10/05/19 5:20:59 AM
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Reading through your paragraphs are torture, full of many mistakes.
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Alexanaxela
10/05/19 6:04:56 AM
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Offworlder1 posted...
I would ask for the harshest sentence possible and not forgive them because they are a piece of shit.

It is sickening that all these people are hugging this murderer as if she is the victim, she killed an innocent man in his own home. The weak will of all these people wanting her to get off light sends a horrible message of "as long as your a woman who cries and feels sad you murdered a man we will go easy on you".

If this was a male police officer who killed a woman in the exact same situation no one would be going easy on him, he would be crucified and shown to be an evil monster.

fucking this. Sure she was "remorseful' but she didn't even think she did anything that warranted getting fired from being a police officer. Some remorse. Nobody would be showing this amount of compassion for amber guyger if she was a man or black. It's bullshit. It would just be "you really should have known better and not been soo trigger happy, here's 50 years in jail for the murder of a very fine human being." Instead it's "you killed a very fine human being who was very forgiving, therefore we're gonna go light on you and forgive you cause that's what he would want." Especially, ESPECIALLY after guyger's racist texts and social media were revealed

although perhaps i'm being hypocritical, but to take someone's life so willy nilly
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Ricemills
10/05/19 6:53:53 AM
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we all know people only be "remorseful" when they are found guilty anyway, so i could forgive them after they received the appropriate punishment.
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CADE FOSTER
10/05/19 11:28:17 AM
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A black man got 34 years for killing a police dog this country is racist as fuck
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St0rmFury
10/05/19 2:45:30 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
A black man got 34 years for killing a police dog this country is racist as fuck

6.

He was sentenced for other crimes too.
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cjsdowg
10/05/19 5:33:41 PM
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St0rmFury posted...

He was sentenced for other crimes too.


He had 45 years in jail. 11 years for robbery
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LordMarshal
10/05/19 5:36:05 PM
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Damn, just hug the victims family to half your sentence. GENIUS.
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StealthRock
10/05/19 10:11:11 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
St0rmFury posted...

He was sentenced for other crimes too.


He had 45 years in jail. 11 years for robbery

Where is his hug?
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EvenSpoonier
10/05/19 11:13:20 PM
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I don't fault the jury for struggling, at least in the abstract. I've been on a jury in a district where juries recommend sentences, and when the weight's on your shoulders, you're supposed to struggle. The power you are given as a juror, and the gravity of what you are asked to do with that power, are such that the decision should never be easy, per se, even if the question itself is relatively open-and-shut. You really do have to consider every perspective, giving each its fair weight, and it really is important to consider things like mercy and remorse.

I also don't fault them for the "she'll be out in five" thing that others have mentioned. Juries are explicitly instructed not to concern themselves with what happens after sentencing. You're not even supposed to consider whether multiple sentences would be served concurrently or consecutively, though that's a moot point in this case.

But the above all said, I do not think the jury did its job well. Mercy and remorse are not the only things to consider, and even when they are, you have to consider how and if they're shown. Guyger may indeed feel some degree of regret, but that never extended to accepting responsibility for her actions. The family may well have asked for a lighter sentence, but there are very good reasons that we don't have a process to make these requests binding. I am not necessarily saying the book should have been thrown at her -I haven't been following the case closely enough to make that call- but these things clearly factored far, far more heavily than they should have.

As things stand, they gave her five years beyond the minimum: less than a quarter of the additional time (23 years beyond the minimum, for 28 years total) the prosecution requested. This is far too little. I could have seen it if they'd split the difference and gone with half the additional time (11.5 years beyond the minimum, for a total of 16.5 years); I still wouldn't really be happy with this, but the calculus is at least something I could understand. But where do they get off with giving her a paltry ten years total? There is being merciful, and there is giving a slap on the wrist.
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mrduckbear
10/06/19 7:24:13 PM
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it's a slam dunk NO
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A_A_Battery
10/06/19 7:27:58 PM
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Forgive? No. But if it was a legit accident I would likely not seek vengeance in a vigilante manner.
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