Poll of the Day > So Apparently It's Now Illegal To Say "Illegal Alien" In New York

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aDirtyShisno
10/01/19 7:28:55 AM
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Specifically in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. New York City has declared using the phrase illegal alien can be considered workplace harassment even if talking about illegal immigrants in general and not referring to any particular employees, if an employee becomes afraid from possible discrimination.

Go back to your country, threatening to call ICE, and other similar phrases could also constitute harassment even if the immigration status of an unlawful immigrant is not in dispute.



Fun times living without the First Amendment.

https://reason.com/2019/09/30/new-york-city-illegal-aliens-fine-free-speech/
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10/01/19 7:34:45 AM
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New York is a cesspool.
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ParanoidObsessive
10/01/19 7:37:48 AM
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They're not illegal aliens, they're Alternative Legality Uncitizens.
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 7:43:40 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
They're not illegal aliens, they're Alternative Legality Uncitizens.

They are Alternate World Nationally Unaffiliated Otherbeings.
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Mead
10/01/19 7:49:08 AM
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Boo fucking hoo

Just call them undocumented
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CTLM
10/01/19 8:04:24 AM
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So it's not New York, just the city. I'm not worried because I live upstate. I still see the bullshit that is going on, but I am happy I don't live in the city
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aDirtyShisno
10/01/19 8:06:06 AM
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CTLM posted...
So it's not New York, just the city. I'm not worried because I live upstate. I still see the bullshit that is going on, but I am happy I don't live in the city

Just be careful what you say if you ever have to visit the city for some reason, or the word police will be after you.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 8:14:30 AM
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Lmfao. Something that will literally never impact your life at all and you come here to cry about it.

Triggered little snowflakes.
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guesswhomymomis
10/01/19 8:26:49 AM
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Okay. Undocumented Aliens then.
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Peterass
10/01/19 8:37:42 AM
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Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.
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Mead
10/01/19 8:38:47 AM
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Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


You can just call them immigrants dude

Get over it
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Peterass
10/01/19 8:40:07 AM
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Mead posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


You can just call them immigrants dude

Get over it


You could call them whatever you want. But they are immigrants who are here illegally.
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Mead
10/01/19 8:44:58 AM
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Peterass posted...
Mead posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


You can just call them immigrants dude

Get over it


You could call them whatever you want. But they are immigrants who are here illegally.


Ill probably just call them their name
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kangolcone
10/01/19 8:47:56 AM
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Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


And for approximately 40 years, the terms quadroon and octoroon were used on the census to describe people with black ancestors, but times change.

The only people I see in this topic who are over sensitive are the ones getting offended by a change that has zero impact on their lives.
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Peterass
10/01/19 8:52:29 AM
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kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


And for approximately 40 years, the terms quadroon and octoroon were used on the census to describe people with black ancestors, but times change.

The only people I see in this topic who are over sensitive are the ones getting offended by a change that has zero impact on their lives.


I see a difference here. One term describes race, the other describes legal status. It's understandable that in efforts to curb racism, one would be changed. But to neglect the fact that someone is breaking the law almost legitimizes the act.
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kind9
10/01/19 8:57:53 AM
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Is this one of those Jordan Peterson style misinterpretations of an anti-discrimination law, or are they literally throwing free speech to the wind?
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Mead
10/01/19 9:02:16 AM
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kind9 posted...
Is this one of those Jordan Peterson style misinterpretations of an anti-discrimination law, or are they literally throwing free speech to the wind?


The article says that the note goes on to say that any fines would be relevant to damages caused

So someone would have to provide evidence of actual damage or hardship caused by someone using the language. Thats not something thats gonna happen except in the rarest/most extreme cases.
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OniRonin
10/01/19 9:03:25 AM
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kangolcone
10/01/19 9:13:01 AM
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Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


And for approximately 40 years, the terms quadroon and octoroon were used on the census to describe people with black ancestors, but times change.

The only people I see in this topic who are over sensitive are the ones getting offended by a change that has zero impact on their lives.


I see a difference here. One term describes race, the other describes legal status. It's understandable that in efforts to curb racism, one would be changed. But to neglect the fact that someone is breaking the law almost legitimizes the act.


How do you identify that somebody is here without proper documentation? Ive never been able to tell a persons immigration status by looking at them.
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Peterass
10/01/19 9:15:09 AM
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kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


And for approximately 40 years, the terms quadroon and octoroon were used on the census to describe people with black ancestors, but times change.

The only people I see in this topic who are over sensitive are the ones getting offended by a change that has zero impact on their lives.


I see a difference here. One term describes race, the other describes legal status. It's understandable that in efforts to curb racism, one would be changed. But to neglect the fact that someone is breaking the law almost legitimizes the act.


How do you identify that somebody is here without proper documentation? Ive never been able to tell a persons immigration status by looking at them.


No one can. I don't think anyone is saying that either. Seems weird that its become illegal to identify someone as doing something illegal.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 9:28:10 AM
#21:


Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
Both democrats and republicans have been calling them illegal aliens for decades. It's not a derogatory term, but a legitimate way of describing foreign nationals living in a country that they are not authorized to live in. This is just the oversensitive culture that's taking over.


And for approximately 40 years, the terms quadroon and octoroon were used on the census to describe people with black ancestors, but times change.

The only people I see in this topic who are over sensitive are the ones getting offended by a change that has zero impact on their lives.


I see a difference here. One term describes race, the other describes legal status. It's understandable that in efforts to curb racism, one would be changed. But to neglect the fact that someone is breaking the law almost legitimizes the act.


How do you identify that somebody is here without proper documentation? Ive never been able to tell a persons immigration status by looking at them.


No one can. I don't think anyone is saying that either. Seems weird that its become illegal to identify someone as doing something illegal.


You didnt read the article did you?
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Runner_style
10/01/19 9:59:27 AM
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OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


When the truth becomes racist you know society is screwed.
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 10:00:58 AM
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Runner_style posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


When the truth becomes racist you know society is screwed.

That sounds very KKK of you.
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Peterass
10/01/19 10:02:32 AM
#24:


OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:09:06 AM
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Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:12:25 AM
#27:


Runner_style posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


When the truth becomes racist you know society is screwed.


When people who think they are smart cant even make it to the second paragraph of an article, you know society is screwed.
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SunWuKung420
10/01/19 10:15:57 AM
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From personal experience, as a US-born 1st generation Mexican- American, the amount of times I've been called an "illegal", has definitely been offensive.

I don't agree with legislation dictating how people treat each other.
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Peterass
10/01/19 10:24:48 AM
#29:


kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?


Yes, I read the article. I understand it's only talking about the workplace and the intent to demean someone. That being said, on it's own, I don't believe illegal alien on it's own has any relation to race.

It's like saying, lets call convicted felons, alternate rule followers.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:25:28 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
From personal experience, as a US-born 1st generation Mexican- American, the amount of times I've been called an "illegal", has definitely been offensive.

I don't agree with legislation dictating how people treat each other.


Making murder illegal is literally legislation dictating how people treat each other.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:30:52 AM
#31:


Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?


Yes, I read the article. I understand it's only talking about the workplace and the intent to demean someone. That being said, on it's own, I don't believe illegal alien on it's own has any relation to race.

It's like saying, lets call convicted felons, alternate rule followers.


If you really believe this, I dont know what world you are living in.

Theres no way you actually believe that the term illegal alien is used to demean euro-white people as much as it is a person of Hispanic origin.
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SunWuKung420
10/01/19 10:32:18 AM
#32:


kangolcone posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
From personal experience, as a US-born 1st generation Mexican- American, the amount of times I've been called an "illegal", has definitely been offensive.

I don't agree with legislation dictating how people treat each other.


Making murder illegal is literally legislation dictating how people treat each other.


Murder has been frowned upon before legislation existed.
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 10:33:59 AM
#33:


kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?


Yes, I read the article. I understand it's only talking about the workplace and the intent to demean someone. That being said, on it's own, I don't believe illegal alien on it's own has any relation to race.

It's like saying, lets call convicted felons, alternate rule followers.


If you really believe this, I dont know what world you are living in.

Theres no way you actually believe that the term illegal alien is used to demean euro-white people as much as it is a person of Hispanic origin.

If it's used at all on "euro-white" people, it's not racially charged.

SunWuKung420 posted...
Murder has been frowned upon before legislation existed.

As a bad way to treat eachother.
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Peterass
10/01/19 10:34:49 AM
#34:


kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?


Yes, I read the article. I understand it's only talking about the workplace and the intent to demean someone. That being said, on it's own, I don't believe illegal alien on it's own has any relation to race.

It's like saying, lets call convicted felons, alternate rule followers.


If you really believe this, I dont know what world you are living in.

Theres no way you actually believe that the term illegal alien is used to demean euro-white people as much as it is a person of Hispanic origin.


The term is used for anyone, regardless of race as it does not mention race. I know many personally, including family members who were here illegally and have since re-entered legally. They were and are illegal aliens. And they're white Europeans.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:35:31 AM
#35:


SunWuKung420 posted...
kangolcone posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
From personal experience, as a US-born 1st generation Mexican- American, the amount of times I've been called an "illegal", has definitely been offensive.

I don't agree with legislation dictating how people treat each other.


Making murder illegal is literally legislation dictating how people treat each other.


Murder has been frowned upon before legislation existed.


In Judeo-Christian tradition, the Ten Commandments are the first set of laws to be written and specifically outlaw killing. But ok...
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 10:36:53 AM
#36:


kangolcone posted...
In Judeo-Christian tradition, the Ten Commandments are the first set of laws to be written and specifically outlaw killing. But ok...

In reality the Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc., etc., etc. didn't approve of unlawful killings either.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:38:21 AM
#37:


Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
kangolcone posted...
Peterass posted...
OniRonin posted...
boo hoo i cant be racist at my job


Being in a country illegally has nothing to do with race though


You didnt answer my question. Did you read the article?


Yes, I read the article. I understand it's only talking about the workplace and the intent to demean someone. That being said, on it's own, I don't believe illegal alien on it's own has any relation to race.

It's like saying, lets call convicted felons, alternate rule followers.


If you really believe this, I dont know what world you are living in.

Theres no way you actually believe that the term illegal alien is used to demean euro-white people as much as it is a person of Hispanic origin.


The term is used for anyone, regardless of race as it does not mention race. I know many personally, including family members who were here illegally and have since re-entered legally.


And the term itself is not prohibited when used as an appropriate description for a person who is undocumented for whatever reason.

This isnt about that. Its about the use of targeted harassment used to demean and humiliate a person. Please find me any evidence where white people have had the term illegal alien used as a pejorative towards them in a work place setting.
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SunWuKung420
10/01/19 10:39:33 AM
#38:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
In Judeo-Christian tradition, the Ten Commandments are the first set of laws to be written and specifically outlaw killing. But ok...

In reality the Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc., etc., etc. didn't approve of unlawful killings either.


That mindset was just a continuance of Hammurabi's code and the cultures before it.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:40:21 AM
#39:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
In Judeo-Christian tradition, the Ten Commandments are the first set of laws to be written and specifically outlaw killing. But ok...

In reality the Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc., etc., etc. didn't approve of unlawful killings either.


In Ancient Rome, you could legally kill your own child, but ok...
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:42:24 AM
#40:


I do like how many people believe its ok to harass somebody at work and that the government should actually give protection to it.
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 10:43:50 AM
#41:


kangolcone posted...
Please find me any evidence where white people have had the term illegal alien used as a pejorative towards them in a work place setting.

When they're Romanian on a building site lol

kangolcone posted...
In Ancient Rome, you could legally kill your own child, but ok...

Legally. Murder is unlawful killing, soldiers are allowed to kill lawfully, Christians serve in armies, the issue is with unlawful killing.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:46:06 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Please find me any evidence where white people have had the term illegal alien used as a pejorative towards them in a work place setting.

When they're Romanian on a building site lol

kangolcone posted...
In Ancient Rome, you could legally kill your own child, but ok...

Legally. Murder is unlawful killing, soldiers are allowed to kill lawfully, Christians serve in armies, the issue is with unlawful killing.


So you are saying that these laws were put in place to legislate how people treated each other. Thanks. Thats actually my original point to Sunnys ridiculous legislation shouldnt be about how you treat people, statement.

I appreciate your support in this matter.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:46:47 AM
#44:


PyroBlade1985 posted...
Mead posted...
Boo fucking hoo

Just call them undocumented

No. They're here illegally. So call them what they are. Illegal Aliens. And if Illegal Aliens pisses you off just call them Illegals. And if Illegals still pisses you off then just call them Illegal Aliens.


So you think the federal government should protect your targeted harassment of coworkers?
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Kyuubi4269
10/01/19 10:50:41 AM
#46:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Please find me any evidence where white people have had the term illegal alien used as a pejorative towards them in a work place setting.

When they're Romanian on a building site lol

kangolcone posted...
In Ancient Rome, you could legally kill your own child, but ok...

Legally. Murder is unlawful killing, soldiers are allowed to kill lawfully, Christians serve in armies, the issue is with unlawful killing.


So you are saying that these laws were put in place to legislate how people treated each other. Thanks. Thats actually my original point to Sunnys ridiculous legislation shouldnt be about how you treat people, statement.

I appreciate your support in this matter.

I do agree in this matter, however I don't think it's racist.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:51:21 AM
#47:


PyroBlade1985 posted...
kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
Mead posted...
Boo fucking hoo

Just call them undocumented

No. They're here illegally. So call them what they are. Illegal Aliens. And if Illegal Aliens pisses you off just call them Illegals. And if Illegals still pisses you off then just call them Illegal Aliens.


So you think the federal government should protect your targeted harassment of coworkers?

Harassment? I just hate being PC.


The article, which you didnt read, states you can use the term all you want as long as you arent in a workplace using it to harass or demean somebody.

So, are you for or against work place harassment?
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Sarcasthma
10/01/19 10:54:15 AM
#48:


Mead posted...
kind9 posted...
Is this one of those Jordan Peterson style misinterpretations of an anti-discrimination law, or are they literally throwing free speech to the wind?


The article says that the note goes on to say that any fines would be relevant to damages caused

So someone would have to provide evidence of actual damage or hardship caused by someone using the language. Thats not something thats gonna happen except in the rarest/most extreme cases.

Too late, I'm already triggered.
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kangolcone
10/01/19 10:59:18 AM
#50:


PyroBlade1985 posted...
kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
Mead posted...
Boo fucking hoo

Just call them undocumented

No. They're here illegally. So call them what they are. Illegal Aliens. And if Illegal Aliens pisses you off just call them Illegals. And if Illegals still pisses you off then just call them Illegal Aliens.


So you think the federal government should protect your targeted harassment of coworkers?

Harassment? I just hate being PC.


The article, which you didnt read, states you can use the term all you want as long as you arent in a workplace using it to harass or demean somebody.

So, are you for or against work place harassment?

Against. Now it's my turn. Are you for or against ANTIFA harassing and assaulting everyone from journalists to the elderly?


Your question is false at its premise because they dont assault everyone.

Moreover, it has literally no connection to the topic of work place harassment.

If you would like my opinions on that matter, please start a new topic to address it, tag me, and I will gladly discuss it with you.

As far as work place harassment, Im glad you agree its not ok.
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Jen0125
10/01/19 11:07:57 AM
#51:


kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
kangolcone posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
Mead posted...
Boo fucking hoo

Just call them undocumented

No. They're here illegally. So call them what they are. Illegal Aliens. And if Illegal Aliens pisses you off just call them Illegals. And if Illegals still pisses you off then just call them Illegal Aliens.


So you think the federal government should protect your targeted harassment of coworkers?

Harassment? I just hate being PC.


The article, which you didnt read, states you can use the term all you want as long as you arent in a workplace using it to harass or demean somebody.

So, are you for or against work place harassment?

Against. Now it's my turn. Are you for or against ANTIFA harassing and assaulting everyone from journalists to the elderly?


Your question is false at its premise because they dont assault everyone.

Moreover, it has literally no connection to the topic of work place harassment.

If you would like my opinions on that matter, please start a new topic to address it, tag me, and I will gladly discuss it with you.

As far as work place harassment, Im glad you agree its not ok.


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