Poll of the Day > So Apparently It's Now Illegal To Say "Illegal Alien" In New York

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darkknight109 10/01/19 4:09:02 PM #202:	aDirtyShisno posted... But it did protect from banning words. Until now, at least in New York City it doesnt. Intent is required for harassment. Using a word you dont like doesnt itself prove intent, especially when that word is the definition of an object. That object being an immigrant who has entered the country unlawfully. Yes, and that's exactly what the law entails. It's not "you can't use the phrase 'illegal alien' in any context"; written into the guidelines is the following text. You aren't allowed to use the phrase "with intent to demean, humiliate or harass a person". I mean, did you even read the text of the guideline? It's all written right in there and nothing about it seems unusual or breaking with convention. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:928198180] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>But it did protect from banning words. Until now, at least in New York City it doesnt. Intent is required for harassment. Using a word you dont like doesnt itself prove intent, especially when that word is the definition of an object. That object being an immigrant who has entered the country unlawfully. </quote> Yes, and that's exactly what the law entails. It's not "you can't use the phrase 'illegal alien' in any context"; written into the guidelines is the following text. You aren't allowed to use the phrase "with intent to demean, humiliate or harass a person". I mean, did you even read the text of the guideline? It's all written right in there and nothing about it seems unusual or breaking with convention.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 10/01/19 4:09:56 PM #203:	kangolcone posted... OhhhJa posted... kangolcone posted... OhhhJa posted... kangolcone posted... OhhhJa posted... Many words If the boss is doing the harassment and there is no government oversight because its also not the governments job then what recourse should old saggy tits use? I guess we outlaw the words saggy tits in the workplace. Is that really what you're getting at? Lmao. Freedom of speech is doomed Im asking if the government has no place in the discussion what is the recourse? Get some thick skin or get another job I guess. Not to mention, this law does nothing to stop that as the boss in question can just harass them in a similar, related manner that skirts the law. And if you're an illegal immigrant then you and the boss arent following the law anyway. If you arent illegal, then take it to social media where you will make a complete ass of them Ok, so now the get another job argument. At least you are honest in that you really dont believe the government should have any legislation on the subject and work place harassment should be legal. I mean, yeah, if you ignore the rest of my post and break it down exactly the way you want to make it seem a certain way, then sure. Way to Erik p out But amazingly enough we've gotten all the way until 2019 dealing with workplace harrassment without having to start outlawing words <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928198230] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Many words</quote> If the boss is doing the harassment and there is no government oversight because its also not the governments job then what recourse should old saggy tits use?</quote> I guess we outlaw the words saggy tits in the workplace. Is that really what you're getting at? Lmao. Freedom of speech is doomed</quote> Im asking if the government has no place in the discussion what is the recourse?</quote> Get some thick skin or get another job I guess. Not to mention, this law does nothing to stop that as the boss in question can just harass them in a similar, related manner that skirts the law. And if you're an illegal immigrant then you and the boss arent following the law anyway. If you arent illegal, then take it to social media where you will make a complete ass of them</quote> Ok, so now the get another job argument. At least you are honest in that you really dont believe the government should have any legislation on the subject and work place harassment should be legal.</quote> I mean, yeah, if you ignore the rest of my post and break it down exactly the way you want to make it seem a certain way, then sure. Way to Erik p out But amazingly enough we've gotten all the way until 2019 dealing with workplace harrassment without having to start outlawing words</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 10/01/19 4:10:02 PM #204:	kangolcone posted... Alright guys. Thanks for helping me pass through a boring day. Im off work now, so I probably wont be looking at this topic again. Take it easy. Ikr? This made work go bye super fast. --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:928198237] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>Alright guys. Thanks for helping me pass through a boring day. Im off work now, so I probably wont be looking at this topic again. Take it easy.</quote> Ikr? This made work go bye super fast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrunkRoger 10/01/19 4:11:09 PM #205:	kangolcone posted... Alright guys. Thanks for helping me pass through a boring day. Im off work now, so I probably wont be looking at this topic again. Take it easy. In any event, I understand your point of view, even if I disagree. And I appreciate you for being civil in your replies, unlike other people. Have a good one. :) <cite>DrunkRoger posted [p:928198293] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>Alright guys. Thanks for helping me pass through a boring day. Im off work now, so I probably wont be looking at this topic again. Take it easy.</quote> In any event, I understand your point of view, even if I disagree. And I appreciate you for being civil in your replies, unlike other people. Have a good one. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/01/19 4:16:54 PM #206:	DrunkRoger posted... Calling a KNOWN illegal alien an illegal alien is not offensive. Doesn't mean it can't be harassment. It's also pretty pointless. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928198536] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>DrunkRoger posted...</cite> <quote>Calling a KNOWN illegal alien an illegal alien is not offensive.</quote> Doesn't mean it can't be harassment. It's also pretty pointless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 4:18:53 PM #207:	Im not being an asshole if Im technically correct! -an asshole, probably --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928198614] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Im not being an asshole if Im technically correct! -an asshole, probably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 10/01/19 4:22:11 PM #208:	"I should be able to call people names" "Somebody is calling me names and I don't like it, stop."-drunkroger --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:928198774] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>"I should be able to call people names" "Somebody is calling me names and I don't like it, stop."-drunkroger</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 10/01/19 4:25:43 PM #209:	Mead posted... Im not being an asshole if Im technically correct! -an asshole, probably "Its more important to be morally right than factually correct." - mead's hero <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928198925] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Im not being an asshole if Im technically correct! -an asshole, probably</quote> "Its more important to be morally right than factually correct." - mead's hero</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/01/19 4:41:08 PM #210:	The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:928199612] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 4:42:19 PM #211:	TigerTycoon posted... The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves. How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928199655] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves.</quote> How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/01/19 4:43:41 PM #212:	Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves. How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet. Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:928199735] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves.</quote> How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet.</quote> Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 10/01/19 4:44:09 PM #213:	Yeah, it is pretty dumb that adults have to waste time on having other adults to be nice. --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:928199751] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it is pretty dumb that adults have to waste time on having other adults to be nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 10/01/19 4:45:57 PM #214:	TigerTycoon posted... It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are Naw this law is intended to be some anti conservative/trump propaganda no doubt <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928199833] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are</quote> Naw this law is intended to be some anti conservative/trump propaganda no doubt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 4:51:07 PM #215:	TigerTycoon posted... Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves. How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet. Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S. Wow I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that its a complicated fuckin megametropolis Nah I bet its just libs --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928200073] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves.</quote> How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet.</quote> Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S.</quote> Wow I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that its a complicated fuckin megametropolis Nah I bet its just libs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/01/19 5:01:16 PM #216:	Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves. How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet. Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S. Wow I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that its a complicated fuckin megametropolis Nah I bet its just libs I'm not attacking libs. I'm against over regulation and wasteful, self serving bloated governments. But are you saying that this law isn't a waste of time? People who discriminate against illegal immigrants aren't going to stop because you get fined for saying illegal immigrant. And because illegal immigrants are actually illegally in the U.S., you can't make laws to actively protect them either. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:928200500] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>The problem here isn't that New York is oppressing freedom of speech for stupid reasons. It's that they're spending time and tax payer money doing it. It's one of these worthless do nothing "feel good" laws that politicians make to say what good people they are, when they literally spent time and tax payer money to do nothing but promote themselves.</quote> How much do you think theyre spending on this? Ten trillion I bet.</quote> Should be zero, this law doesn't do anything. It's just politicians using tax payer money to promote themselves, instead of their own money, or campaign money. FYI New York has the most laws out of every state in the U.S.</quote> Wow I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that its a complicated fuckin megametropolis Nah I bet its just libs</quote> I'm not attacking libs. I'm against over regulation and wasteful, self serving bloated governments. But are you saying that this law isn't a waste of time? People who discriminate against illegal immigrants aren't going to stop because you get fined for saying illegal immigrant. And because illegal immigrants are actually illegally in the U.S., you can't make laws to actively protect them either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 5:05:37 PM #217:	TigerTycoon posted... People who discriminate against illegal immigrants aren't going to stop because you get fined for saying illegal immigrant. Murderers are gonna murder even if you throw them in prison so maybe we should just stop making it illegal TigerTycoon posted... And because illegal immigrants are actually illegally in the U.S., you can't make laws to actively protect them either. Sure you can. Theyre protected by the constitution just like US citizens. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928200712] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>People who discriminate against illegal immigrants aren't going to stop because you get fined for saying illegal immigrant.</quote> Murderers are gonna murder even if you throw them in prison so maybe we should just stop making it illegal TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>And because illegal immigrants are actually illegally in the U.S., you can't make laws to actively protect them either.</quote> Sure you can. Theyre protected by the constitution just like US citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/01/19 5:10:25 PM #218:	Mead posted... Murderers are gonna murder even if you throw them in prison so maybe we should just stop making it illegal That's unrelated. Putting people in prison for murder will stop most people from deciding to murder. Fining people for saying "illegal alien" isn't going to stop people from discriminating illegal immigrants. Mead posted... Sure you can. Theyre protected by the constitution just like US citizens. Well, you can't murder them. Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported, but many places choose to not enforce that. No state has made a law that says illegal immigrants are the same as citizens as far as I'm aware. If that was the case there wouldn't be a discussion about illegal immigrants in the first place because they're legally citizens now. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:928200910] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote> Murderers are gonna murder even if you throw them in prison so maybe we should just stop making it illegal</quote> That's unrelated. Putting people in prison for murder will stop most people from deciding to murder. Fining people for saying "illegal alien" isn't going to stop people from discriminating illegal immigrants. Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Sure you can. Theyre protected by the constitution just like US citizens.</quote> Well, you can't murder them. Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported, but many places choose to not enforce that. No state has made a law that says illegal immigrants are the same as citizens as far as I'm aware. If that was the case there wouldn't be a discussion about illegal immigrants in the first place because they're legally citizens now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 5:13:37 PM #219:	TigerTycoon posted... Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928201049] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported</quote> That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 10/01/19 5:17:18 PM #220:	I wanna know where you guys get these immigration status trackers from --- Official King of Black People https://imgur.com/Zk3VS3o http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE https://imgur.com/aSnCUuI <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:928201208] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>I wanna know where you guys get these immigration status trackers from</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/01/19 5:19:39 PM #221:	BlackScythe0 posted... kangolcone posted... BlackScythe0 posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Specifically in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. New York City has declared using the phrase illegal alien can be considered workplace harassment even if talking about illegal immigrants in general and not referring to any particular employees, if an employee becomes afraid from possible discrimination. Go back to your country, threatening to call ICE, and other similar phrases could also constitute harassment even if the immigration status of an unlawful immigrant is not in dispute. Fun times living without the First Amendment. https://reason.com/2019/09/30/new-york-city-illegal-aliens-fine-free-speech/ You know your description isn't very good. I thought this was just a "You can get fired for this" but no this is actually new york blatantly violating the first amendment. Its not though, as workplace harassment isnt covered under your first amendment rights. Well yea... but first amendment only applies to government penalties. TC kept talking about workplace so it sounded like it was just someone getting fired and then losing when he sued his workplace. But no, it's actually the government making an unconstitutional law. Its actually in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. No idea how that translates to workplace, workplace, workplace and how you came up with anyone being fired when all we were talking about was people being fined. Its all spelled out in the opening post, but sure be confused. Why not? --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928201319] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote>kangolcone posted...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Specifically in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. New York City has declared using the phrase illegal alien can be considered workplace harassment even if talking about illegal immigrants in general and not referring to any particular employees, if an employee becomes afraid from possible discrimination. Go back to your country, threatening to call ICE, and other similar phrases could also constitute harassment even if the immigration status of an unlawful immigrant is not in dispute. Fun times living without the First Amendment. https://reason.com/2019/09/30/new-york-city-illegal-aliens-fine-free-speech/</quote> You know your description isn't very good. I thought this was just a "You can get fired for this" but no this is actually new york blatantly violating the first amendment.</quote> Its not though, as workplace harassment isnt covered under your first amendment rights.</quote> Well yea... but first amendment only applies to government penalties. TC kept talking about workplace so it sounded like it was just someone getting fired and then losing when he sued his workplace. But no, it's actually the government making an unconstitutional law.</quote> Its actually in the workplace, housing, and public accommodations. No idea how that translates to workplace, workplace, workplace and how you came up with anyone being fired when all we were talking about was people being fined. Its all spelled out in the opening post, but sure be confused. Why not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 10/01/19 5:20:40 PM #222:	Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors. Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights? Not if you think they should or shouldn't, that current law says that they do. Because that's what I'm talking about. How is this related anyway to a law that's being promoted as protecting illegal immigrants, but not actually doing anything of the sort? It's like a school saying they are going to solve bullying by banning the word "nerd". --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:928201370] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported</quote> That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors.</quote> Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights? Not if you think they should or shouldn't, that current law says that they do. Because that's what I'm talking about. How is this related anyway to a law that's being promoted as protecting illegal immigrants, but not actually doing anything of the sort? It's like a school saying they are going to solve bullying by banning the word "nerd".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/01/19 5:22:09 PM #223:	TigerTycoon posted... Mead posted... TigerTycoon posted... Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors. Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights? Not if you think they should or shouldn't, that current law says that they do. Because that's what I'm talking about. How is this related anyway to a law that's being promoted as protecting illegal immigrants, but not actually doing anything of the sort? It's like a school saying they are going to solve bullying by banning the word "nerd". In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928201450] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Technically, they're supposed to be deported if they get reported</quote> That is for a judge to decide, not keyboard warriors.</quote> Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights? Not if you think they should or shouldn't, that current law says that they do. Because that's what I'm talking about. How is this related anyway to a law that's being promoted as protecting illegal immigrants, but not actually doing anything of the sort? It's like a school saying they are going to solve bullying by banning the word "nerd".</quote> In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/01/19 5:22:57 PM #224:	aDirtyShisno posted... In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. Factually incorrect fox news rhetoric. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928201492] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently.</quote> Factually incorrect fox news rhetoric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 5:23:02 PM #225:	TigerTycoon posted... Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights? According to the US constitution and the Supreme Court, yes, they do --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928201495] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Are you suggesting right now, that current law states that illegal immigrants, and citizens have the same rights?</quote> According to the US constitution and the Supreme Court, yes, they do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/01/19 5:26:06 PM #226:	aDirtyShisno posted... In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. citation needed --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:928201615] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. </quote> citation needed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 10/01/19 5:31:38 PM #227:	This is a ridiculous overreach and will never stand up in court when someone's actually hit by it and says their first amendment rights have been violated. This will be great fodder for some broad brush painting Republicans to use for years to come. I guess passing stupid fucking laws that will never remain on the books and make you a laughing stock is bipartisan. In related news...a judge struck down Georgia's stupid abortion law today. :p <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:928201811] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>This is a ridiculous overreach and will never stand up in court when someone's actually hit by it and says their first amendment rights have been violated. This will be great fodder for some broad brush painting Republicans to use for years to come. I guess passing stupid fucking laws that will never remain on the books and make you a laughing stock is bipartisan. In related news...a judge struck down Georgia's stupid abortion law today. :p</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/01/19 6:19:01 PM #228:	streamofthesky posted... This is a ridiculous overreach and will never stand up in court when someone's actually hit by it and says their first amendment rights have been violated. Nope - they've got their bases covered. Shockingly, before a major government issues guidelines, they usually have a lawyer or two look them over first. Again, from the text of the document itself, all they've done is clarified that using the phrase 'illegal alien' "with intent to demean, humiliate or harass a person" constitutes harassment and will be prosecuted as such. Same goes with threatening to call ICE, absent evidence of an actual crime that would warrant their involvement, or attacking other people for not having a good grasp of English. That's all textbook harassment, a law that's been in the books for ages. This isn't a new law or anything like that; just clarifications on conduct that does and does not meet the definition of criminal harassment. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:928203753] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>This is a ridiculous overreach and will never stand up in court when someone's actually hit by it and says their first amendment rights have been violated. </quote> Nope - they've got their bases covered. Shockingly, before a major government issues guidelines, they usually have a lawyer or two look them over first. Again, from the text of the document itself, all they've done is clarified that using the phrase 'illegal alien' "with intent to demean, humiliate or harass a person" constitutes harassment and will be prosecuted as such. Same goes with threatening to call ICE, absent evidence of an actual crime that would warrant their involvement, or attacking other people for not having a good grasp of English. That's all textbook harassment, a law that's been in the books for ages. This isn't a new law or anything like that; just clarifications on conduct that does and does not meet the definition of criminal harassment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Galcian 10/01/19 7:03:32 PM #229:	what about the first amendment the constitution --- <cite>Galcian posted [p:928205710] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>what about the first amendment the constitution</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 7:05:15 PM #230:	Galcian posted... what about the first amendment the constitution Its still there, being misunderstood just like always --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928205781] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Galcian posted...</cite> <quote>what about the first amendment the constitution</quote> Its still there, being misunderstood just like always</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Decoy77 10/01/19 7:09:09 PM #231:	The easiest solution, don't threaten to call ICE, just call them. --- 5-27-15 The day Gfaqs died i7 4770k \| ASUS Maximus VII Hero \| EVGA GTX 1070 8GB \| 16GB RAM \| ADATA SP600 256GB \| 3TB HD \| Asus 23.6'' @ 1920 x 1080, Win10 x64 <cite>Decoy77 posted [p:928205928] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>The easiest solution, don't threaten to call ICE, just call them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 10/01/19 8:03:14 PM #232:	Just call them "foreign invaders". <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:928208152] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Just call them "foreign invaders".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/01/19 9:13:32 PM #233:	SunWuKung420 posted... aDirtyShisno posted... In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. Factually incorrect fox news rhetoric. darkknight109 posted... aDirtyShisno posted... In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. citation needed https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740147546/california-first-state-to-offer-health-benefits-to-adult-undocumented-immigrants Free healthcare? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-immigration-california/california-allows-college-aid-to-illegal-immigrants-idUSTRE7971SK20111008 Free college *years* before it was offered to everyone. Thats just off the top of my head, not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses to make our roads safer and all that bologna... --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928210952] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently.</quote> Factually incorrect fox news rhetoric.</quote> darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>In California illegal immigrants tend to have improved rights. Not necessarily in every aspect but pretty darn frequently. </quote> citation needed</quote> https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/740147546/california-first-state-to-offer-health-benefits-to-adult-undocumented-immigrants Free healthcare? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-immigration-california/california-allows-college-aid-to-illegal-immigrants-idUSTRE7971SK20111008 Free college years before it was offered to everyone. Thats just off the top of my head, not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses to make our roads safer and all that bologna...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/01/19 9:52:16 PM #234:	aDirtyShisno posted... Free healthcare? Available to anyone else with the same economic status. aDirtyShisno posted... Free college Available to anyone else with the same economic status and academic standing/ aDirtyShisno posted... years before it was offered to everyone Incorrect on two counts. First off, it's not "free" - these are scholarships and grants. Second of all, everyone else already had access to them; this law just extended coverage to Dreamers as well. aDirtyShisno posted... not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses Just like everyone else? aDirtyShisno posted... to make our roads safer and all that bologna Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me... --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:928212408] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Free healthcare?</quote> Available to anyone else with the same economic status. aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Free college</quote> Available to anyone else with the same economic status and academic standing/ aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>years before it was offered to everyone</quote> Incorrect on two counts. First off, it's not "free" - these are scholarships and grants. Second of all, everyone else already had access to them; this law just extended coverage to Dreamers as well. aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses</quote> Just like everyone else? aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>to make our roads safer and all that bologna</quote> Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 10/01/19 9:55:39 PM #235:	Sometimes it seems like NY and California are in a contest to see who can outcrazy each other, with CT and other states occasionally trying to throw their hats in the crazy ring. Mead posted... You can just call them immigrants dude There's a pretty big distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:928212510] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes it seems like NY and California are in a contest to see who can outcrazy each other, with CT and other states occasionally trying to throw their hats in the crazy ring. Mead posted...</cite> <quote>You can just call them immigrants dude</quote> There's a pretty big distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 10/01/19 10:08:14 PM #236:	TheWorstPoster posted... Just call them "foreign invaders". What do we call you? Domestic embarrassment? <cite>Cacciato posted [p:928212947] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>Just call them "foreign invaders".</quote> What do we call you? Domestic embarrassment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/01/19 10:34:44 PM #237:	darkknight109 posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Free healthcare? Available to anyone else with the same economic status. aDirtyShisno posted... Free college Available to anyone else with the same economic status and academic standing/ aDirtyShisno posted... years before it was offered to everyone Incorrect on two counts. First off, it's not "free" - these are scholarships and grants. Second of all, everyone else already had access to them; this law just extended coverage to Dreamers as well. aDirtyShisno posted... not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses Just like everyone else? aDirtyShisno posted... to make our roads safer and all that bologna Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me... Id rather they not be here at all. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928213880] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Free healthcare?</quote> Available to anyone else with the same economic status. aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Free college</quote> Available to anyone else with the same economic status and academic standing/ aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>years before it was offered to everyone</quote> Incorrect on two counts. First off, it's not "free" - these are scholarships and grants. Second of all, everyone else already had access to them; this law just extended coverage to Dreamers as well. aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>not even mentioning that they get to have drivers licenses</quote> Just like everyone else? aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>to make our roads safer and all that bologna</quote> Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me...</quote> Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/01/19 10:42:10 PM #238:	aDirtyShisno posted... Id rather they not be here at all. I wish Europe never invaded North America. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928214148] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote> Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> I wish Europe never invaded North America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 10/01/19 10:51:28 PM #239:	TheWorstPoster posted... Just call them "foreign invaders". Careful, the lefty mods might take offense to that. --- "We don't need more blacks that don't want to be black voices." Perfectly acceptable. "Send her back." RACISM!!! -The hypocritical left. <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:928214457] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>Just call them "foreign invaders".</quote> Careful, the lefty mods might take offense to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 10/01/19 11:29:39 PM #240:	darkknight109 posted... Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me... Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius. <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:928215923] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote> Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me...</quote> Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelIWithoutSin 10/01/19 11:39:45 PM #241:	TheWorstPoster posted... darkknight109 posted... Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me... Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius. LMAO! No it doesn't. Holy shit. The DMV is just a place where you can register. There's nothing auto about it. And, also, you need to be a citizen in order to register, math guy. --- And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber <cite>HelIWithoutSin posted [p:928216239] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote> Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me...</quote> Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius.</quote> LMAO! No it doesn't. Holy shit. The DMV is just a place where you can register. There's nothing auto about it. And, also, you need to be a citizen in order to register, math guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 10/01/19 11:42:41 PM #242:	TheWorstPoster posted... darkknight109 posted... Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me... Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius. Do you find it weird that you shit on a group of people that work harder than you while you leech off the American taxpayers? I would sincerely like a response to this. I really want to know how you justify your lifestyle. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:928216327] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote> Would you prefer they not have a reliable form of ID? No insurance in case of an accident? Seems kind of daft to me...</quote> Getting a Driver's License in California automatically registers you to vote. Do the math, genius.</quote> Do you find it weird that you shit on a group of people that work harder than you while you leech off the American taxpayers? I would sincerely like a response to this. I really want to know how you justify your lifestyle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 10/01/19 11:44:48 PM #243:	OhhhJa posted... amazingly enough we've gotten all the way until 2019 dealing with workplace harrassment without having to start outlawing words I think this point needs to be like pinned to the topic 1st post. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:928216394] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote> amazingly enough we've gotten all the way until 2019 dealing with workplace harrassment without having to start outlawing words</quote> I think this point needs to be like pinned to the topic 1st post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 10/01/19 11:56:18 PM #245:	Mr Hangman posted... Of course. On the one hand you have the fascists who think they get to tell everyone else where to live and not to live, and the "opposition" doesn't actually disagree, they just don't want you to say mean things while you kidnap them. just don't break the law coming here --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:928216723] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>Of course. On the one hand you have the fascists who think they get to tell everyone else where to live and not to live, and the "opposition" doesn't actually disagree, they just don't want you to say mean things while you kidnap them.</quote> just don't break the law coming here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 11:59:12 PM #246:	aDirtyShisno posted... Id rather they not be here at all. The truth always comes out eventually --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928216816] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> The truth always comes out eventually</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/02/19 12:09:37 AM #247:	Mead posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Id rather they not be here at all. The truth always comes out eventually Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928217112] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> The truth always comes out eventually</quote> Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/02/19 12:30:31 AM #248:	aDirtyShisno posted... Mead posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Id rather they not be here at all. The truth always comes out eventually Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime. It's hilarious that you have such a strong stance against immigrants, yet, US citizens commit more crimes, are more corrupt and are less prone to do the hard work immigrants do. It's almost like you have no clue why our country is going to shit but you'll happily parrot the age old "immigrants are bad, mmkay" rhetoric. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928217710] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> The truth always comes out eventually</quote> Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime.</quote> It's hilarious that you have such a strong stance against immigrants, yet, US citizens commit more crimes, are more corrupt and are less prone to do the hard work immigrants do. It's almost like you have no clue why our country is going to shit but you'll happily parrot the age old "immigrants are bad, mmkay" rhetoric.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aDirtyShisno 10/02/19 12:50:35 AM #249:	SunWuKung420 posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Mead posted... aDirtyShisno posted... Id rather they not be here at all. The truth always comes out eventually Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime. It's hilarious that you have such a strong stance against immigrants, yet, US citizens commit more crimes, are more corrupt and are less prone to do the hard work immigrants do. It's almost like you have no clue why our country is going to shit but you'll happily parrot the age old "immigrants are bad, mmkay" rhetoric. Its hilarious that you say that when at worst 25% of US citizens commits crimes but by virtue of *being illegal* 100% of illegal immigrants commit crimes. Lets not lump in legal and illegal here when you know damn well youre conflating the two groups to make your argument look like it even has 1 leg to stand on. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. <cite>aDirtyShisno posted [p:928218220] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>aDirtyShisno posted...</cite> <quote>Id rather they not be here at all.</quote> The truth always comes out eventually</quote> Well illegal being unequivocally bad yeah, I truthfully do not believe these lawbreakers should be allowed to remain in the State benefiting from their crime.</quote> It's hilarious that you have such a strong stance against immigrants, yet, US citizens commit more crimes, are more corrupt and are less prone to do the hard work immigrants do. It's almost like you have no clue why our country is going to shit but you'll happily parrot the age old "immigrants are bad, mmkay" rhetoric.</quote> Its hilarious that you say that when at worst 25% of US citizens commits crimes but by virtue of being illegal 100% of illegal immigrants commit crimes. Lets not lump in legal and illegal here when you know damn well youre conflating the two groups to make your argument look like it even has 1 leg to stand on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 10/02/19 12:56:02 AM #250:	Dude, just stick with snapping photos of unconscious women. Youre better at that. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:928218357] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Dude, just stick with snapping photos of unconscious women. Youre better at that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_tall_midget 10/02/19 1:30:38 AM #251:	Mr Hangman posted... Of course. On the one hand you have the fascists who think they get to tell everyone else where to live and not to live, and the "opposition" doesn't actually disagree, they just don't want you to say mean things while you kidnap them. Just because there is a house next to yours, doesn't give you the right to enter it and act like you have the right to be there. Borders and immigration laws have existed for a long, long fucking time. I find it amazing that those principles that exist all over the world are suddenly offending the typically offended lefties. Anything to be triggered and to try and compensate for your guilty consciences, huh? --- "We don't need more blacks that don't want to be black voices." Perfectly acceptable. "Send her back." RACISM!!! -The hypocritical left. <cite>The_tall_midget posted [p:928219208] in So Apparen... [t:78054767]...</cite> <quote>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>Of course. On the one hand you have the fascists who think they get to tell everyone else where to live and not to live, and the "opposition" doesn't actually disagree, they just don't want you to say mean things while you kidnap them.</quote> Just because there is a house next to yours, doesn't give you the right to enter it and act like you have the right to be there. Borders and immigration laws have existed for a long, long fucking time. I find it amazing that those principles that exist all over the world are suddenly offending the typically offended lefties. Anything to be triggered and to try and compensate for your guilty consciences, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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