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Steiner 09/25/19 7:50:41 AM #301: |
Maniac64 posted...
Grand Champion Dasher Hatfield should be in at least the middle of that list. i just have zero exp with 2019 chikara (or any chikara since before the shutdown) but i basically need no evidence to put someone at least above the jericho line here so he's in --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RPGlord95 09/25/19 8:11:49 AM #302: |
He's no Missile Assault Man
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Steiner 09/25/19 8:33:17 AM #303: |
ant?
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:07:04 AM #304: |
If youre counting WALTER why not count ZSJ
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Maniac64 09/25/19 9:07:18 AM #305: |
Man. He unmasked a few years ago.
And he is one of my favorite characters so I'm not arguing against him! --- "Hope is allowed to be stupid, unwise, and naive." ~Sir Chris ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:08:11 AM #306: |
Jakyl25 posted...
If youre counting WALTER why not count ZSJ who watches rev pro? that title isn't a world title, it's a midcard new japan belt --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:10:13 AM #307: |
Fenix is also eligible for this list and hes pretty good
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:14:01 AM #308: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Fenix is also eligible for this list and hes pretty good i like fenix but https://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=773&page=5&reign=17 is that really a world championship we're going to talk about? --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 9:16:39 AM #309: |
Kofi has had better overall matches than Rollins.
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:18:34 AM #310: |
seth had the great match with aj and nothing approaching how bad the ziggler and orton matches have been. even despite having baron corbin as an opponent in that stretch! kofi's only average match as champion was the owens one, to me
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:20:06 AM #311: |
This current Seth reign only started at Summerslam though
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:21:35 AM #312: |
Steiner posted...
Jakyl25 posted...Fenix is also eligible for this list and hes pretty good He dethroned Jeff Jarrett though! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:22:22 AM #313: |
Jakyl25 posted...
He dethroned Jeff Jarrett though! exactly! --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:25:21 AM #314: |
Eddv posted...
Yeah Cages title reign has been him hurt a whole bunch and he's probably gonna lose to Sami Callihan to set up Callihan/Crist and the culmination of Tessa/Callihan Tessa winning the World Title would be a great capper on this run and get Impact some attention Shes better than Sexy Star! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:26:31 AM #315: |
Jakyl25 posted...
This current Seth reign only started at Summerslam though and this is fair but then there's nothing to compare with so i decided to run the whole year of seth title matches.. which is basically JUST corbin matches, and all of them better than that ziggler cage match or anything with orton --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 9:27:24 AM #316: |
Oh hey I know who you forgot
Americas Finest Nick Aldis --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:29:13 AM #317: |
as well as the Pride of Wales, Eddie Dennis!
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 9:46:05 AM #318: |
Steiner posted...
seth had the great match with aj and nothing approaching how bad the ziggler and orton matches have been. even despite having baron corbin as an opponent in that stretch! kofi's only average match as champion was the owens one, to me Dude, Corbin matches. I mean, I know you don't watch WWE but come on. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:48:04 AM #319: |
i end up watching every ppv at some point! the corbin/seth matches were fine, the kofi/orton matches sucked and kofi/ziggler was the worst world title match i've ever seen in wwe
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:50:34 AM #320: |
obviously they should be aiming for a higher standard than "fine" for world title matches but considering corbin was the other half of the match, i struggle to bury rollins too much for them!
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 9:50:42 AM #321: |
Here's the thing: even if I could concede that Kofi has worst matches (which I can't because by and large they are mercifully shorter), Seth cuts such abysmal promos. Kofi is such a fantastic baby face. Even the STUPID STUPID STUPID Orton promos were vastly more interesting than any crap in Seth's world.
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Steiner 09/25/19 9:56:30 AM #322: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Here's the thing: even if I could concede that Kofi has worst matches (which I can't because by and large they are mercifully shorter), https://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=20&page=5&reign=136 https://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=3102&page=5&reign=7 https://www.cagematch.net/?id=5&nr=3102&page=5&reign=9 it's pretty close, but the ones i hated most were kofi's 20+ minute ones - besides the title win, of course. the one you have a point on is the joe match but i just straight up forgot that happened. it's the 20 minute fucking stinkers that have made it the worst title reign i can remember. --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 10:04:58 AM #323: |
God that reminded me that WWE did a show called SMACKVILLE
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 10:59:57 AM #324: |
Steiner posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...Here's the thing: even if I could concede that Kofi has worst matches (which I can't because by and large they are mercifully shorter), There are a lot of broad generalizations I think you make when you say that the WWE Title is equivalent to the Universal Title. Smackdown has been significantly reduced in value in comparison to RAW following Mania. The idea was to use Seth to propel Corbin in the same way that Becky was theoretically being used to propel Evans. The less they gained traction with both efforts, the clearer it became that they needed to devote more time to each storyline. When you shovel more effort into one title in WWE, the other loses momentum and traction. This is easily evidenced in the lack of midcard title storytelling thanks to the Wild Card rule as well. When the WWE Title becomes a midcard title, then your US and IC titles become lower midcard to bottom card belts. They have to be relegated to pre-show matches. And this one-match card building sensibility, this notion that starts must be anointed by Vince so that they may be given a star push, combined with Vince's myopic understanding of how promotions can only truly have one star on top of a division if not the company, means that Kofi is not a world champion. Sure, I can respect your position that Kofi is a terrible world champion. But no other company has two world champions. And no other company presents three brands, where two are in complete concert with one another and one is completely isolated so as to simulate a true separate company. In the WWE, we are presented an NFC and AFC, rather than an AFL and NFL. Kofi's title reign has moments of strong storytelling that propel the New Day as a major component of the company. Seth's title reign propels a notion that Seth is supposed to be this harder edged babyface somewhere between Surfer and Crow Sting. It fails miserably, it demonstrates no drawing power, and Vince is forced to double down his efforts at the expense of positioning another title as a top title. I just can't in good conscience say that Kofi is a terrible world champion. Only in WWE anymore would I give a title holder a pass like this, but all of the fundamentals are there, all of the potential is there, and we've seen glimpses of a Kofi not hobbled by tunnel vision booking. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/25/19 4:55:35 PM #325: |
after much discussion i have decided to revise the list - clearly, i missed jordan devlin, who should be in at third between miyahara and okada
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Eddv 09/25/19 5:11:40 PM #326: |
Honestly Aldis vs Scurll is a better match than either WWE champion has had.
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Jakyl25 09/25/19 5:22:41 PM #327: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
The idea was to use Seth to propel Corbin in the same way that Becky was theoretically being used to propel Evans. You cant actually DO that though until theyre established and bulletproof themselves They did it right with Seth and AJ. AJ is someone who it means something to beat, who wont lose momentum by a loss. Seth isnt at that level, so when you use him to elevate Corbin, you hurt Seth --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 5:25:18 PM #328: |
Jakyl25 posted...
You cant actually DO that though until theyre established and bulletproof themselves "What do you mean? He beat Brock Lesnar! He proved himself right then and there that he was the top star in the company! Because that's how it's always worked here. Just look at how Steve Austin rose to prominence he beat... Jake the Snake! And The Rock beat... Faarooq! See? Just like Brock Lesnar! Immediate stardom!" You're right that AJ meant something, and that's important. What's damning is that Seth means as much as AJ. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/25/19 7:10:50 PM #329: |
Yeah I dunno Steiner I think if you actually paid any attention to builds and stuff and didn't just watch matches in a vacuum you'd generally see Kofi's stuff as better than Rollins's this year. Of course, why watch WWE, I get it, but just saying.
I'm not really singing the praise of either champion at the moment but yeah on a week to week basis Kofi is the better champion by far even if he's maybe laid some eggs on PPVs. I guess part of this is Rollins's builds but man the dude feels worse than Roman Reigns ever was at this point. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 09/25/19 8:20:20 PM #330: |
https://twitter.com/_StarDESTROYER/status/1177011294345531393?s=19
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scarletspeed7 09/25/19 8:23:51 PM #331: |
The fact that other WWE responds to him constantly is really what puts it over the top. I enjoyed his response to Asuka playing a Truck Simulator way too much.
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TheRock1525 09/26/19 2:45:37 AM #332: |
Anyone catch NXT tonight? Seems like the plan is to defend all three titles next week opposite AEW.
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Eddv 09/26/19 3:07:49 AM #333: |
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Fastbreak 09/26/19 3:09:55 AM #334: |
Sell me on going to hell in a cell
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ninkendo 09/26/19 3:10:12 AM #335: |
I'll see it whenever it's up on Hulu
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Steiner 09/26/19 3:55:06 AM #336: |
Lopen posted...
Yeah I dunno Steiner I think if you actually paid any attention to builds and stuff and didn't just watch matches in a vacuum you'd generally see Kofi's stuff as better than Rollins's this year. Of course, why watch WWE, I get it, but just saying. i read everything and watch enough of the angles to know kofi's stuff does nothing for me! but i've been the low man on kofi since the whole thing started when i watched the whole mania build and hated that so i know i'm alone here. honestly, comparing the two wwe goobers was like the least important part of my post and i'm just sad it's all that's been discussed lol --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/26/19 4:03:58 AM #337: |
plus there is nothing any amount of good build or character work can do to overcome the fact that any tine he's had a 20 minute championship match it's fucking sucked, in my eyes. i want to be excited to watch title matches, which is why i'm looking forward to brock's reign!
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Eddv 09/26/19 4:11:08 AM #338: |
Fastbreak posted...
Sell me on going to hell in a cell I cannot in good conscience, advocate spending even a single red cent on WWE. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/AWY4xHy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steiner 09/26/19 4:39:54 AM #339: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Anyone catch NXT tonight? Seems like the plan is to defend all three titles next week opposite AEW. Watching now. Wonder how long it takes for AEW TV to have a match as good as Lee/Dijak --- Advokaiser makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/26/19 4:44:57 AM #340: |
Forgot to watch NXT tonight despite wanting to give it another shot. More evidence that first episode was very poor at hooking new viewers imo.
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Steiner 09/26/19 11:12:08 AM #341: |
thought NXT was excellent again, while I will probably watch AEW first next week due to the newsworthiness, I can not imagine it being a better show than NXT
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bryans7 09/26/19 11:22:42 AM #342: |
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Steiner 09/26/19 11:25:51 AM #343: |
move byron to 205
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Steiner 09/26/19 11:27:51 AM #344: |
tom phillips too... to bring in lawler, seems like a bizarre step honestly
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Steiner 09/26/19 11:36:01 AM #345: |
more news - john morrison/impact/mundo is returning to wwe
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Lopen 09/26/19 11:38:03 AM #346: |
Oh boy can't wait to see him be buried worse than EC3
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Steiner 09/26/19 11:39:10 AM #347: |
but he's a reality tv star now!
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Jakyl25 09/26/19 12:17:24 PM #348: |
I wonder if this gives them an inside track on Taya
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Jakyl25 09/26/19 12:18:06 PM #349: |
Steiner posted...
but he's a reality tv star now! To be fair he was actually very beloved by the Survivor fanbase --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 09/26/19 12:22:25 PM #350: |
Crazy to think dude is almost 40.
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