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Steiner
09/19/19 4:45:40 AM
#151:


i don't know about it being an immediate success - but i do kind of feel like, again, they're doing stuff that will over time grow an audience - which a good wrestling show should do. they have promoted a few matches for next week and some more for the week after, are focusing the show around wrestling and letting the talent tell stories in the ring rather than in overly scripted fake wwe segments. if nothing else, it's a show for me.

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Tom Bombadil
09/19/19 6:47:08 AM
#152:


Lopen posted...
Lucha Underground losing money really had nothing to do with the quality or presentation of the product


what DID happen there btw?

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TheRock1525
09/19/19 7:53:09 AM
#153:


Eddv posted...
Speaking of storytelling sins "this stable needs all of the gold" but why?

"Umm BECAUSE"


Yeah that's literally what I argued.

Not that it establishes the credibility and importance of the faction, giving an obstacle for your babyfaces to overcome and get them over.

I said "just because."
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Steiner
09/19/19 7:55:13 AM
#154:


Tom Bombadil posted...
what DID happen there btw?


it was on an obscure network, never built viewers and, if i recall correctly, its viewership only declined over time, not really strengthening the argument that people were into their brand of storytelling. i'm pretty sure the idea was never sustainable with El Rey as the network but they hoped to grow the brand to be able to get off of there, which didn't happen. The final nail was the show absolutely bombing on Netflix when it was added there, which also did a lot to harm the perception that Netflix could be a good landing place for a wrestling show.

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Jakyl25
09/19/19 10:21:18 AM
#155:


Lopen posted...
Also isn't that a glass houses thing to begin with? Like doesn't NXT as a brand in a vacuum actually lose money and it just gets absorbed by WWE's huge profits?


That was true up until this week

Now that USA is paying for 2 hours a week it will actually make money now

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Jakyl25
09/19/19 10:26:23 AM
#156:


And yeah WWE is absolutely assuming more people are already familiar with NXT than actually watch

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Jakyl25
09/19/19 11:05:32 AM
#157:


From the Observer

WrestleNomics noted some things about roster growth. In 2014, WWE had 90 wrestlers on the main roster and 59 in training. Now they have 129 wrestlers listed on the main roster and 136 in training. So for the first time they have more wrestlers on the roster than WCW did at its most bloated

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TheRock1525
09/19/19 11:14:52 AM
#158:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftCs0bs5Ic" data-time="


We need another chapter of "Wrestling Isn't Wrestling" about how HHH finally got everyone to love him for the most idiotic reason.

They're all paid by WWE! They're not some competitor or counter-culture, you are still giving Vince McMahon your money!
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Lopen
09/19/19 11:18:57 AM
#159:


Steiner posted...
not really strengthening the argument that people were into their brand of storytelling


I mean, the fundamental things Lucha Underground did right can be used in any sort of flavor of wrestling storytelling. I think the overall style of Lucha Underground probably isn't what most people want to see these days, and I'm not saying NXT should literally become Lucha Underground-- just saying that they did a lot more to get me into a bunch of unknowns in their first episode than NXT did in theirs.
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 11:33:12 AM
#160:


TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftCs0bs5Ic" data-time="


We need another chapter of "Wrestling Isn't Wrestling" about how HHH finally got everyone to love him for the most idiotic reason.

They're all paid by WWE! They're not some competitor or counter-culture, you are still giving Vince McMahon your money!


I dont think Max Landis will resurface any time soon

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Steiner
09/19/19 11:34:58 AM
#161:


TheRock1525 posted...
They're all paid by WWE! They're not some competitor or counter-culture, you are still giving Vince McMahon your money!


i see this argument everywhere, from people i respect, and i find it infuriating. Of course your money still goes to Vince - but so does the message that this is the wrestling you want to see. I don't need to hurt WWE - I just need Vince to see that wrestling and straightforward storytelling has a place and an audience. I get that other people may have other motivations, but this is enough for me to feel impassioned about NXT most of the time.

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TheRock1525
09/19/19 12:47:41 PM
#162:


NXT has existed for 5 years and Vince hasn't changed a darn thing. You're gonna need to pull like 4.00 ratings for him to change.
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Steiner
09/19/19 1:10:21 PM
#163:


TheRock1525 posted...
NXT has existed for 5 years and Vince hasn't changed a darn thing. You're gonna need to pull like 4.00 ratings for him to change.


Why would anything have changed when he can claim people subscribe to the network for WWE ppvs and only the hardcore fans want to see shit like nxt? My belief is the presentation of NXT will appeal to the mainstream more over time than what the main roster does these days and there's never been any way to test that before
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 1:43:26 PM
#164:


Steiner posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
NXT has existed for 5 years and Vince hasn't changed a darn thing. You're gonna need to pull like 4.00 ratings for him to change.


Why would anything have changed when he can claim people subscribe to the network for WWE ppvs and only the hardcore fans want to see shit like nxt? My belief is the presentation of NXT will appeal to the mainstream more over time than what the main roster does these days and there's never been any way to test that before


I hope you're right but honestly I think you're gonna get a far bigger change from the decision to hire Heyman and Bischoff than NXT's presence on TV. For one thing, if it struggles rating-wise against AEW Dynamite (or whatever its called) either he's gonna call it a failed experiment OR he's gonna think he needs to micromanage it.

Like the ideal scenario is almost the XFL being a success and takes away most of his time.
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HashtagSEP
09/19/19 1:45:57 PM
#165:


We've already seen what Heyman does for Raw

And it's stuff like the Maria storyline
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 1:49:02 PM
#166:


So amazing, right?
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 1:50:32 PM
#167:


TheRock1525 posted...
NXT has existed for 5 years and Vince hasn't changed a darn thing. You're gonna need to pull like 4.00 ratings for him to change.


7 years, actually, for the Full Sail version away from Vinces attention.

Remember it was on Hulu in the US before the Network existed

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Steiner
09/19/19 2:34:25 PM
#168:


TheRock1525 posted...
For one thing, if it struggles rating-wise against AEW Dynamite (or whatever its called) either he's gonna call it a failed experiment OR he's gonna think he needs to micromanage it.


this is obviously by far and away my biggest concern. there's no doubt this is an issue - although, if this happens it will only serve to continue to not prove me wrong as the model i believe in will remain untested!

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Steiner
09/19/19 3:19:11 PM
#169:


Fucking hell that first segment ruled so hard! The match was great and then the presentation of Shayna, the horsewomen and the confrontation with Candice all served to get over the personalities involved - Shayna as a star and bully and Candice as a determined and tough babyface. You really don't think this will work to a big audience?
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 3:27:39 PM
#170:


But Steiner, some of them arent being defined by who theyre dating.

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HashtagSEP
09/19/19 3:40:23 PM
#171:


How will I know who to care about now?!
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 3:42:13 PM
#172:


Well thankfully the one that is like that won the match

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Lopen
09/19/19 3:43:13 PM
#173:


The only problem with the first segments with the women is there were way too many people introduced at once. I actually thought that was okay generally but yeah. 1v1 between Candice and someone with the Shayna thing after would've been better imo.
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_PandaMaster_
09/19/19 3:44:12 PM
#174:


HashtagSEP posted...
We've already seen what Heyman does for Raw

And it's stuff like the Maria storyline


Can't wait for the baby to be a hand. That'll put butts in seats.
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 3:47:39 PM
#175:


_PandaMaster_ posted...
Can't wait for the baby to be a hand. That'll put butts in seats.


Maybe itll be a butt

And the father is Billy Gunn making a triumphant return from AEW

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Steiner
09/19/19 3:51:58 PM
#176:


Lopen posted...
The only problem with the first segments with the women is there were way too many people introduced at once. I actually thought that was okay generally but yeah. 1v1 between Candice and someone with the Shayna thing after would've been better imo.


I can definitely understand this, especially as I'm rarely a fan of multi person matches, but I just thought the match was a ton of fun and served a great example of the type of action you can see every Wednesday. I think it got the brand over more than any individual wrestler, but then the post match did good work for the two wrestlers who are a focus right now so it all worked for me.
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 3:53:09 PM
#177:


Could have made it a 4 women tournament with the finals next week

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Steiner
09/19/19 4:29:01 PM
#178:


1.179 million viewers
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 5:12:57 PM
#179:


Steiner posted...
1.179 million viewers


That's actually better than I expected but likely not good enough long term.
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 6:34:25 PM
#180:


Wait is AEW's show really called Dynamite?
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 6:50:14 PM
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DlXIECARTERKHAN
09/19/19 7:06:44 PM
#182:


NXT crushed.

Well that was a fun war.
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ExThaNemesis
09/19/19 7:09:56 PM
#183:


lmao MWC will you fuckin stop it bro
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DlXIECARTERKHAN
09/19/19 7:12:51 PM
#184:


ExThaNemesis posted...
lmao MWC will you fuckin stop it bro


You can deny the obvious all you want.... it doesn't change the truth.

They will never win a single week. They will never have one single segment that ever does what NXT did last night, unless they do something like Goldberg and Hogan free on tv and sacrifice buys for a win, (which, Cody is dumb enough to do admittedly, and Khan is enough of a mark to let him), they will never beat WWE's AA league.
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Eddv
09/19/19 7:24:39 PM
#185:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftCs0bs5Ic" data-time="


We need another chapter of "Wrestling Isn't Wrestling" about how HHH finally got everyone to love him for the most idiotic reason.

They're all paid by WWE! They're not some competitor or counter-culture, you are still giving Vince McMahon your money!


I dont think Max Landis will resurface any time soon


Eh I think he'll be back sooner than you think.
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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 8:02:26 PM
#186:


Every couple months, something new about Max Landis comes out, so I doubt it.
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 8:20:31 PM
#187:


Considering how wrong MWC is generally on... well, everything, I think AEW is officially screwed.
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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 8:23:12 PM
#188:


I'm really confused by that post.
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Maniac64
09/19/19 8:40:27 PM
#189:


I think Rock misunderstood MWC
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 8:43:49 PM
#190:


Sorry, I misread "NXT crushed" as "NXT was crushed."
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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 8:44:49 PM
#191:


Oh! Okay, that makes a lot more sense now. I reread MWC's post like three times.

Btw, never reread an MWC post like three times.
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 9:03:14 PM
#192:


if you do it in front of a mirror he shows up and gets at least 5 gamefaqs accounts banned
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NBIceman
09/19/19 10:00:16 PM
#193:


It's frustrating to me that MWC keeps making new accounts that I then have to ignore.
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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 10:03:11 PM
#194:


Yeah, I'm thankful you made it much easier for me, Iceman!
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NBIceman
09/19/19 10:07:59 PM
#195:


By the way, just in case anyone needs reminding how on point his prediction skills are...

https://imgur.com/VeY3u7B

So given that he says AEW is going to get crushed in this war I think it'd be a decent bet that it's actually the other way around.
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ExThaNemesis
09/19/19 10:09:35 PM
#196:


I figured you guys didn't realize it was him.
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Tom Bombadil
09/19/19 10:14:44 PM
#197:


I was wondering why he did such a 180

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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 10:23:15 PM
#198:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I figured you guys didn't realize it was him.

Pretty easy to recognize him based on posting style and usernames.
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scarletspeed7
09/19/19 10:24:15 PM
#199:


Also, floored how fast he got that other username banned.
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TheRock1525
09/19/19 10:25:25 PM
#200:


Botched Spot is ending.
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