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Dragonblade01 09/01/19 11:59:23 PM #201:	ChrisTaka posted... averagejoel posted... wikipedia has this to say about Focus on the Family: Focus on the Family (FOTF or FotF) is an American Christian conservative organization founded in 1977 in Southern California by psychologist James Dobson, based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[3] It is active in promoting socially conservative views on public policy. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. As of the 2017 tax filing year, Focus on the Family declared itself to be a church.[4] try again please. How are you gonna call me out for faulty info then reference Wikipedia At least that wikipedia article cites actual sources. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926845249] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>wikipedia has this to say about Focus on the Family: <quote>Focus on the Family (FOTF or FotF) is an American Christian conservative organization founded in 1977 in Southern California by psychologist James Dobson, based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[3] It is active in promoting socially conservative views on public policy. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. As of the 2017 tax filing year, Focus on the Family declared itself to be a church.[4]</quote> try again please.</quote> How are you gonna call me out for faulty info then reference Wikipedia</quote> At least that wikipedia article cites actual sources.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 12:47:15 AM #202:	averagejoel posted... StealthRock posted... averagejoel posted... ChrisTaka posted... Trickfinger posted... ChrisTaka posted... More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours. So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha spanking a consenting adult for kink purposes is very different from what we're talking about You stated that beating and spanking are the same thing. Are they or are they not?? --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926846655] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted... </cite> <quote>More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol</quote>such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" </quote> I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably</quote> that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours.</quote> So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha</quote> spanking a consenting adult for kink purposes is very different from what we're talking about</quote> You stated that beating and spanking are the same thing. Are they or are they not??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 12:49:23 AM #203:	Dragonblade01 posted... StealthRock posted... averagejoel posted... ChrisTaka posted... Trickfinger posted... ChrisTaka posted... More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours. So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha Being intentionally obtuse isn't helpful. Neither is being overly dramatic but that doesnt stop you does it? --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926846718] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted... </cite> <quote>More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol</quote>such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" </quote> I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably</quote> that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours.</quote> So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha</quote> Being intentionally obtuse isn't helpful.</quote> Neither is being overly dramatic but that doesnt stop you does it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 09/02/19 1:30:58 AM #204:	StealthRock posted... averagejoel posted... StealthRock posted... averagejoel posted... ChrisTaka posted... Trickfinger posted... ChrisTaka posted... More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours. So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha spanking a consenting adult for kink purposes is very different from what we're talking about You stated that beating and spanking are the same thing. Are they or are they not?? You understand the different context of one being for sexual pleasure and one being for punishment, right? <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:926847843] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted... </cite> <quote>More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol</quote>such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" </quote> I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably</quote> that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours.</quote> So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha</quote> spanking a consenting adult for kink purposes is very different from what we're talking about</quote> You stated that beating and spanking are the same thing. Are they or are they not??</quote> You understand the different context of one being for sexual pleasure and one being for punishment, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 09/02/19 1:43:55 AM #205:	I don't believe that spanking should be the first result in disciplining a child. That being said, plenty of parents who choose not to spank their children, generally don't discipline them in effective ways either, which can cause more damage to a child's development. I have a foster daughter and I would never lay a hand on her but she is a mouthy teen who lived her whole life in and out of the foster care system. I have to find creative ways to discipline her that are not physical while not allowing her to get her way through acting out. The role of a parent is tough and there are more ways do do it wrong than correctly. <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:926848166] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>I don't believe that spanking should be the first result in disciplining a child. That being said, plenty of parents who choose not to spank their children, generally don't discipline them in effective ways either, which can cause more damage to a child's development. I have a foster daughter and I would never lay a hand on her but she is a mouthy teen who lived her whole life in and out of the foster care system. I have to find creative ways to discipline her that are not physical while not allowing her to get her way through acting out. The role of a parent is tough and there are more ways do do it wrong than correctly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/02/19 2:29:46 AM #206:	StealthRock posted... Dragonblade01 posted... StealthRock posted... averagejoel posted... ChrisTaka posted... Trickfinger posted... ChrisTaka posted... More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours. So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha Being intentionally obtuse isn't helpful. Neither is being overly dramatic but that doesnt stop you does it? Telling you not to be intentionally obtuse is not being overly dramatic. Because you are being intentionally obtuse. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926849192] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted... </cite> <quote>More than there is saying it has no postive outcomes lol</quote>such as? these child beaters have to do a better job than "well I'm pretty sure it works" </quote> I've noticed that you've used "spanking" and "beating" interchangeably</quote> that's because they aren't actually distinct behaviours.</quote> So when you give your girlfriend a spanking, i guess you are at that point a woman beater Gotcha</quote> Being intentionally obtuse isn't helpful.</quote> Neither is being overly dramatic but that doesnt stop you does it?</quote> Telling you not to be intentionally obtuse is not being overly dramatic. Because you are being intentionally obtuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 3:09:33 AM #207:	No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926849946] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 3:14:05 AM #208:	StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926850016] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/02/19 3:32:18 AM #209:	StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior. There isn't that clear a difference. Both are used to punish unwanted behavior. Both are achieved by inflicting unwanted physical pain. Both can be justified by the parent as being "for their benefit." The biggest difference is that one is socially acceptable. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926850303] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior.</quote> There isn't that clear a difference. Both are used to punish unwanted behavior. Both are achieved by inflicting unwanted physical pain. Both can be justified by the parent as being "for their benefit." The biggest difference is that one is socially acceptable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/02/19 3:36:54 AM #211:	Nall posted... Wow perfect 50/50 split. pretty interesting it's been tied the whole time. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926850356] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Nall posted... </cite> <quote>Wow perfect 50/50 split.</quote>pretty interesting it's been tied the whole time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the0rebirth 09/02/19 3:37:27 AM #212:	Damn. Almost 200 people have voted and the results are currently 50/50 precisely. Probably the most neck-&-neck poll Ive ever seen on this site. --- "The Dragon Ball Super anime is lowering the IQ of the characters so the DB fan base can relate to them better." -Acharyap28 <cite>the0rebirth posted [p:926850366] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Damn. Almost 200 people have voted and the results are currently 50/50 precisely. Probably the most neck-&-neck poll Ive ever seen on this site. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 3:40:23 AM #213:	Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926850408] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 4:03:30 AM #214:	StealthRock posted... Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods sounds like the kid has deeper seated issues that hurting him/her won't solve and most likely will exacerbate. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926850695] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote>sounds like the kid has deeper seated issues that hurting him/her won't solve and most likely will exacerbate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 4:59:47 AM #215:	Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods sounds like the kid has deeper seated issues that hurting him/her won't solve and most likely will exacerbate. So then what do? --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926851416] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted... </cite> <quote>Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote>sounds like the kid has deeper seated issues that hurting him/her won't solve and most likely will exacerbate. </quote> So then what do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 5:01:52 AM #216:	everything except hit them. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926851444] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>everything except hit them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 5:03:59 AM #217:	Trickfinger posted... everything except hit them. Like what?? What do i do to stop the bad behavior in the moment? --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926851476] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>everything except hit them. </quote> Like what?? What do i do to stop the bad behavior in the moment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 09/02/19 5:04:11 AM #218:	StealthRock posted... Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly? <cite>knutjob posted [p:926851478] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/02/19 5:05:53 AM #219:	StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior. Pretty much this. TC, stop being a drama queen. Stop using hyperboles as well since you are just abusing them and should lose the privilege. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926851505] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior.</quote> Pretty much this. TC, stop being a drama queen. Stop using hyperboles as well since you are just abusing them and should lose the privilege.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 5:06:33 AM #220:	next poster: --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926851513] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>next poster: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CuteDragonMaid 09/02/19 5:13:32 AM #221:	Rika_Furude posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior. Pretty much this. TC, stop being a drama queen. Stop using hyperboles as well since you are just abusing them and should lose the privilege. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>CuteDragonMaid posted [p:926851613] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote> No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two True Drama queen behavior.</quote> Pretty much this. TC, stop being a drama queen. Stop using hyperboles as well since you are just abusing them and should lose the privilege.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 5:15:53 AM #222:	ugh, get these corny alts outta here dude --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926851648] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>ugh, get these corny alts outta here dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 09/02/19 5:16:47 AM #223:	Maybe try constructing a valid counterargument? Oh wait, you are incapable of accomplishing that. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:926851660] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Maybe try constructing a valid counterargument? Oh wait, you are incapable of accomplishing that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goats 09/02/19 5:20:45 AM #224:	No. Baby goats wouldn't even associate your action with their own. Just someone who has always protected and play with them and who they trust is suddenly hurting and scaring them and I could never put a goat through that. --- lol at people who deny climate change <cite>Goats posted [p:926851716] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>No. Baby goats wouldn't even associate your action with their own. Just someone who has always protected and play with them and who they trust is suddenly hurting and scaring them and I could never put a goat through that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 5:21:37 AM #225:	knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly? Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926851726] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly?</quote> Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 5:22:24 AM #226:	Goats posted... No. Baby goats wouldn't even associate your action with their own. Just someone who has always protected and play with them and who they trust is suddenly hurting and scaring them and I could never put a goat through that. Dude, animal mothers/fathers discipline their young with pain all the time... --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926851734] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Goats posted...</cite> <quote>No. Baby goats wouldn't even associate your action with their own. Just someone who has always protected and play with them and who they trust is suddenly hurting and scaring them and I could never put a goat through that.</quote> Dude, animal mothers/fathers discipline their young with pain all the time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 09/02/19 5:23:05 AM #227:	StealthRock posted... knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly? Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least <cite>knutjob posted [p:926851749] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly?</quote> Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life</quote> It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muflaggin 09/02/19 5:23:54 AM #228:	Kids are too coddled and spoiled nowadays. A good spanking never hurt anyone. If I did some bad and I got spanked you better believe I wasn't doing that shit again. --- GameFlux: Unofficial GameFAQs board browser <cite>Muflaggin posted [p:926851760] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Kids are too coddled and spoiled nowadays. A good spanking never hurt anyone. If I did some bad and I got spanked you better believe I wasn't doing that shit again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muflaggin 09/02/19 5:24:57 AM #229:	Also lmao at equating a spanking to "beating" your kids. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>Muflaggin posted [p:926851774] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Also lmao at equating a spanking to "beating" your kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pancake 09/02/19 6:15:22 AM #230:	Also lmao at equating a spanking to "beating" your kids. lmao, what do those psychologists and researchers know? --- https://i.imgtc.com/wKgp7al.gif <cite>Pancake posted [p:926852467] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Also lmao at equating a spanking to "beating" your kids. lmao, what do those psychologists and researchers know?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 6:20:24 AM #231:	knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly? Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least No. You guys are child psychology experts. Please tell me the best way to discipline a child on a rampage. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926852542] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly?</quote> Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life</quote> It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least</quote> No. You guys are child psychology experts. Please tell me the best way to discipline a child on a rampage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 09/02/19 6:26:31 AM #232:	I personally think it's a sign of ignorance and overall being uneducated on the subject. Enough studies have shown that even spanking causes all sorts of long term damage. I've known enough people that ended up fucked in the head because they had very strict parents who would turn to violence. Like another user said, it doesn't matter if you personally turned out fine. There's enough evidence to prove it's bullshit and damaging. I've dealt with lots of kids and there are ways around violence and even manipulation. I know some are harder to get to, but it's not impossible. Like shit, my dog and cats piss the fuck out of me sometimes and I never think about hitting them and they're fucking animals. Imagine hitting your own fucking kids. Fucking disgusting. <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:926852613] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>I personally think it's a sign of ignorance and overall being uneducated on the subject. Enough studies have shown that even spanking causes all sorts of long term damage. I've known enough people that ended up fucked in the head because they had very strict parents who would turn to violence. Like another user said, it doesn't matter if you personally turned out fine. There's enough evidence to prove it's bullshit and damaging. I've dealt with lots of kids and there are ways around violence and even manipulation. I know some are harder to get to, but it's not impossible. Like shit, my dog and cats piss the fuck out of me sometimes and I never think about hitting them and they're fucking animals. Imagine hitting your own fucking kids. Fucking disgusting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 09/02/19 6:28:42 AM #233:	StealthRock posted... knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... knutjob posted... StealthRock posted... Trickfinger posted... StealthRock posted... No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child. Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly? Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least No. You guys are child psychology experts. Please tell me the best way to discipline a child on a rampage. But it's a nonsense question asked by someone with no experience of raising a child. A good parent with a healthy relationship with their child is going to know the best ways for controlling their behaviour rather than relying on whatever defcon escalation system you seem to be referring to. Let's turn the question around. What are you going to do when the child doesn't respond to spanking? Hit them harder? <cite>knutjob posted [p:926852635] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>No, you are equating spanking with beatings as of there isnt a clear difference between the two</quote> Tell me which situations in which you have no option but to spank your child.</quote> Child insists on misbehaving despite attempts at other disciplinary methods</quote> If spanking works, why is your kid still misbehaving so badly?</quote> Im asking what works. Im told spanking can traumatize them for life</quote> It your scenario it has produced a poorly disciplined child at the very least</quote> No. You guys are child psychology experts. Please tell me the best way to discipline a child on a rampage.</quote> But it's a nonsense question asked by someone with no experience of raising a child. A good parent with a healthy relationship with their child is going to know the best ways for controlling their behaviour rather than relying on whatever defcon escalation system you seem to be referring to. Let's turn the question around. What are you going to do when the child doesn't respond to spanking? Hit them harder?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 6:39:09 AM #234:	InfinityMonster posted... I personally think it's a sign of ignorance and overall being uneducated on the subject. Enough studies have shown that even spanking causes all sorts of long term damage. I've known enough people that ended up fucked in the head because they had very strict parents who would turn to violence. Like another user said, it doesn't matter if you personally turned out fine. There's enough evidence to prove it's bullshit and damaging. I've dealt with lots of kids and there are ways around violence and even manipulation. I know some are harder to get to, but it's not impossible. Like shit, my dog and cats piss the fuck out of me sometimes and I never think about hitting them and they're fucking animals. Imagine hitting your own fucking kids. Fucking disgusting. I say this as someone who never resorts to violence. I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. I remember one time my dog (who is very friendly) snapped at my brother because he was trying to grab something she was interested in. I immediatly grabbed her and bopped her in the nose. Just once. She never did it again. So, it nose bop must have worked --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926852769] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted...</cite> <quote>I personally think it's a sign of ignorance and overall being uneducated on the subject. Enough studies have shown that even spanking causes all sorts of long term damage. I've known enough people that ended up fucked in the head because they had very strict parents who would turn to violence. Like another user said, it doesn't matter if you personally turned out fine. There's enough evidence to prove it's bullshit and damaging. I've dealt with lots of kids and there are ways around violence and even manipulation. I know some are harder to get to, but it's not impossible. Like shit, my dog and cats piss the fuck out of me sometimes and I never think about hitting them and they're fucking animals. Imagine hitting your own fucking kids. Fucking disgusting.</quote> I say this as someone who never resorts to violence. I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. I remember one time my dog (who is very friendly) snapped at my brother because he was trying to grab something she was interested in. I immediatly grabbed her and bopped her in the nose. Just once. She never did it again. So, it nose bop must have worked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 6:51:06 AM #235:	StealthRock posted... I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926852924] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly.</quote> "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 8:28:45 AM #236:	scar the 1 posted... "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful. he doesnt know shit. if you look at his posts he never actually says anything he just tries to answer questions with questions --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926854426] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>"Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful.</quote>he doesnt know shit. if you look at his posts he never actually says anything he just tries to answer questions with questions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/19 8:32:57 AM #237:	StealthRock posted... I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. then show some data which supports your belief. I haven't found any I remember one time my dog (who is very friendly) snapped at my brother because he was trying to grab something she was interested in. I immediatly grabbed her and bopped her in the nose. Just once. She never did it again. So, it nose bop must have worked that is an anecdote. not data --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926854512] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly.</quote> then show some data which supports your belief. I haven't found any <quote>I remember one time my dog (who is very friendly) snapped at my brother because he was trying to grab something she was interested in. I immediatly grabbed her and bopped her in the nose. Just once. She never did it again. So, it nose bop must have worked</quote> that is an anecdote. not data</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/19 8:35:08 AM #238:	averagejoel posted... ChrisTaka posted... averagejoel posted... wikipedia has this to say about Focus on the Family: Focus on the Family (FOTF or FotF) is an American Christian conservative organization founded in 1977 in Southern California by psychologist James Dobson, based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[3] It is active in promoting socially conservative views on public policy. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. As of the 2017 tax filing year, Focus on the Family declared itself to be a church.[4] try again please. How are you gonna call me out for faulty info then reference Wikipedia I was giving (further) reason not to trust your information. still waiting on a study by the way. feel free to link to an article if it contains a study too (I've linked one elsewhere in the topic and will do so again if need be) hey @ChrisTaka I'm still waiting on a study --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926854553] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>ChrisTaka posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>wikipedia has this to say about Focus on the Family: <quote>Focus on the Family (FOTF or FotF) is an American Christian conservative organization founded in 1977 in Southern California by psychologist James Dobson, based in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[3] It is active in promoting socially conservative views on public policy. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical parachurch organizations that rose to prominence in the 1980s. As of the 2017 tax filing year, Focus on the Family declared itself to be a church.[4]</quote> try again please.</quote> How are you gonna call me out for faulty info then reference Wikipedia</quote> I was giving (further) reason not to trust your information. still waiting on a study by the way. feel free to link to an article if it contains a study too (I've linked one elsewhere in the topic and will do so again if need be)</quote> hey @ChrisTaka I'm still waiting on a study</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 09/02/19 8:35:44 AM #239:	so the poll is tied yet not one of the people voting yes is vocal in this thread. the only guy so far arguing in favor of beatings is an alt. so I'd say that says it all here --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:926854565] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>so the poll is tied yet not one of the people voting yes is vocal in this thread. the only guy so far arguing in favor of beatings is an alt. so I'd say that says it all here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 8:36:12 AM #240:	scar the 1 posted... StealthRock posted... I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful. So is an sort of discipline. Theu key is simply to follow through and be consistent. Kids and people in general respond to that. Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior. For example. Can you show me the positive benefits of locking criminals up for years?? Does it always work?? No. Can it be harmful? Yea. Do we still do it?? Yea. So does that mean its barbaric and any government that does it shouldnt have citizens?? Also no. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926854573] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly.</quote> "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful.</quote> So is an sort of discipline. Theu key is simply to follow through and be consistent. Kids and people in general respond to that. Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior. For example. Can you show me the positive benefits of locking criminals up for years?? Does it always work?? No. Can it be harmful? Yea. Do we still do it?? Yea. So does that mean its barbaric and any government that does it shouldnt have citizens?? Also no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 8:37:35 AM #241:	Trickfinger posted... so the poll is tied yet not one of the people voting yes is vocal in this thread. the only guy so far arguing in favor of beatings is an alt. so I'd say that says it all here That only says that you dont know much then. There are no alts arguing. This is my only account --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926854606] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>so the poll is tied yet not one of the people voting yes is vocal in this thread. the only guy so far arguing in favor of beatings is an alt. so I'd say that says it all here </quote> That only says that you dont know much then. There are no alts arguing. This is my only account</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 09/02/19 8:38:53 AM #242:	Trickfinger posted... scar the 1 posted... "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful. he doesnt know shit. if you look at his posts he never actually says anything he just tries to answer questions with questions My questions remain unansweres. Yet you go on talking like you know anything. Mr. Child expert. Lol --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:926854632] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>"Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful.</quote>he doesnt know shit. if you look at his posts he never actually says anything he just tries to answer questions with questions </quote> My questions remain unansweres. Yet you go on talking like you know anything. Mr. Child expert. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/02/19 8:40:26 AM #243:	StealthRock posted... scar the 1 posted... StealthRock posted... I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly. "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful. So is an sort of discipline. Theu key is simply to follow through and be consistent. Kids and people in general respond to that. Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior. For example. Can you show me the positive benefits of locking criminals up for years?? Does it always work?? No. Can it be harmful? Yea. Do we still do it?? Yea. So does that mean its barbaric and any government that does it shouldnt have citizens?? Also no. Bending over backwards to avoid addressing the wealth of research that concludes that striking kids is bad --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:926854664] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>I do not believe spanking to be harmful of done properly.</quote> "Proper spanking" is quite a vague and arbitrary term, how is someone supposed to determine what it means? Furthermore, there's no evidence to support that, meanwhile there is evidence to support that spanking is harmful.</quote> So is an sort of discipline. Theu key is simply to follow through and be consistent. Kids and people in general respond to that. Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior. For example. Can you show me the positive benefits of locking criminals up for years?? Does it always work?? No. Can it be harmful? Yea. Do we still do it?? Yea. So does that mean its barbaric and any government that does it shouldnt have citizens?? Also no.</quote> Bending over backwards to avoid addressing the wealth of research that concludes that striking kids is bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 09/02/19 8:52:41 AM #244:	I don't know if our prison system is the thing you want to go to in order to defend spanking as a good means of correcting behavior. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:926854895] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>I don't know if our prison system is the thing you want to go to in order to defend spanking as a good means of correcting behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/19 8:53:51 AM #245:	StealthRock posted... Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior. correction: spanking might stop bad behaviour in the moment, but in the long term it actually makes kids more likely to act out --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926854921] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Spanking is simply a punishment. A punishment is meant to deter bad behavior. Unless you can show me studies that show that kids look back foundly on the times they spend grounded, i'd say that no punishment in and of itself shows any positive benefit beyond stopping bad behavior.</quote> correction: spanking might stop bad behaviour in the moment, but in the long term it actually makes kids more likely to act out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/02/19 9:02:17 AM #246:	Of course I don't support it --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:926855068] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Of course I don't support it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 09/02/19 9:06:10 AM #247:	Spankiing can be effective. But theres a lot of factors here. Does this child home hop? What attempts are used before spanking? Are you using an item or your hand? What words are accompanied with the spanking? What do you do after? How hard are you even spanking? What event qualifies a spanking? Because lets be real. In the real world, bad behavior doesnt end with you in time out necessarily. Physical repercussions are a real thing. To say spanking is always bad, or worse, equate it to beating is being intellectually dishonest. Dont hide behind your studies. Give an actual reason yall came up with on your own. Studies, to my knowledge, dont cover enough factors. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:926855144] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>Spankiing can be effective. But theres a lot of factors here. Does this child home hop? What attempts are used before spanking? Are you using an item or your hand? What words are accompanied with the spanking? What do you do after? How hard are you even spanking? What event qualifies a spanking? Because lets be real. In the real world, bad behavior doesnt end with you in time out necessarily. Physical repercussions are a real thing. To say spanking is always bad, or worse, equate it to beating is being intellectually dishonest. Dont hide behind your studies. Give an actual reason yall came up with on your own. Studies, to my knowledge, dont cover enough factors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/19 9:17:23 AM #248:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Dont hide behind your studies. Give an actual reason yall came up with on your own. Studies, to my knowledge, dont cover enough factors. 1. "spanking" causes the same outcomes as "beating", which suggests that they are not actually distinct behaviours 2. spanking does not actually prevent bad behaviour in the long term (in fact it does the opposite), so it is ineffective as a disciplinary tool --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926855390] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>Dont hide behind your studies. Give an actual reason yall came up with on your own. Studies, to my knowledge, dont cover enough factors.</quote> 1. "spanking" causes the same outcomes as "beating", which suggests that they are not actually distinct behaviours 2. spanking does not actually prevent bad behaviour in the long term (in fact it does the opposite), so it is ineffective as a disciplinary tool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 09/02/19 9:26:15 AM #249:	averagejoel posted... 1. "spanking" causes the same outcomes as "beating", which suggests that they are not actually distinct behaviours No it doesnt. averagejoel posted... 2. spanking does not actually prevent bad behaviour in the long term (in fact it does the opposite), so it is ineffective as a disciplinary tool I disagree. Now what? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:926855602] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>1. "spanking" causes the same outcomes as "beating", which suggests that they are not actually distinct behaviours</quote> No it doesnt. averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>2. spanking does not actually prevent bad behaviour in the long term (in fact it does the opposite), so it is ineffective as a disciplinary tool</quote> I disagree. Now what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/19 9:37:48 AM #250:	cuttin_in_farm posted... No it doesnt. yes it does https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers/ cuttin_in_farm posted... I disagree. Now what? your opinion is incorrect. (the source for this is actually the same link) --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:926855886] in do you guy... [t:77976416]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>No it doesnt. </quote> yes it does https://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-of-harm-from-spanking-confirmed-by-researchers/ cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree. Now what?</quote> your opinion is incorrect. (the source for this is actually the same link)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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