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PrivateBiscuit1
08/20/19 5:29:12 PM
#51:


This is obviously a power move.

It will get resolved after the fans have yelled enough.
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StealThisSheen
08/20/19 5:32:46 PM
#52:


I think the only way this gets resolved is if Sony backs down

Disney's very much in a place to say they don't need Spiderman right now
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 5:35:38 PM
#53:


spider-man is forever doomed not to happily land 3 movies
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StealThisSheen
08/20/19 5:38:18 PM
#54:


All Marvel needs to do is insist the character isn't actually Spiderman, since he was introduced as "Underoos"
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mnkboy907
08/20/19 5:39:16 PM
#55:


I'm cool with more Night Monkey movies.
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ZenOfThunder
08/20/19 5:41:54 PM
#56:


I'm bummed about the news, but I completely understand why Sony said no. Disney got played and that's not a bad thing.

Now Sony has their $800million Venom movie, an Academy Award winning Spider-Man animated film, and Tom Holland locked down for two more movies that will be sequels to their highest grossing movie of all time which they barely had to put effort into building up.

If you were Sony, you had exclusive film rights to Spider-Man and all those other cards on the table, and the best Disney could offer was going cold from 95/5 to 50/50?

What would YOU do in that situation?
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Wanglicious
08/20/19 5:42:04 PM
#57:


so Mysterio was right?
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 5:44:51 PM
#58:


starting to get reports already that this isn't a fully settled yet

https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1163926276610150402
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1163927661405757440

just keep things going long enough for Spidey to interact with Wolvie plz
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HanOfTheNekos
08/20/19 5:47:32 PM
#59:


FFH spoilers
post credit scene with JJJ done on purpose to shield from this? Peter avoids the spotlight either entirely or rebrands as Hornet?
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CoolCly
08/20/19 5:52:14 PM
#60:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
CoolCly posted...
They've proven they know how to make live action Spidey great and successful while Sony doesn't.


eh, i wouldn't agree with the "great" part. haven't seen far from home yet but i'll take spider-man 2 over homecoming.


a silly argument - whether or not spiderman 1/2 are as good or better than the Holland movies is irrelevant. That's a different era of film making and not at all reflective of the current film making abilities of Sony.

Unless you trying to tell me The Amazing Spider man 2 and Venom are better than the Holland movies...
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CoolCly
08/20/19 5:53:16 PM
#61:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
FFH spoilers
post credit scene with JJJ done on purpose to shield from this? Peter avoids the spotlight either entirely or rebrands as Hornet?


They already set this up

He's the Night Monkey

Marvel does it again!
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 5:57:31 PM
#62:


1qSgBC8

good lord
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CoolCly
08/20/19 5:59:05 PM
#63:


Venom above Far From Home consider me proven wrong
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 5:59:08 PM
#64:


https://twitter.com/io9/status/1163929390763429890

Update: A Sony rep told us its their belief this dispute is simply over a producer credit and negotiations are ongoing. They further clarified Feige has contributed to other Spider-centric movies that he did not receive a producer credit on.

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Mr Lasastryke
08/20/19 6:00:08 PM
#65:


CoolCly posted...
a silly argument - whether or not spiderman 1/2 are as good or better than the Holland movies is irrelevant. That's a different era of film making and not at all reflective of the current film making abilities of Sony.

Unless you trying to tell me The Amazing Spider man 2 and Venom are better than the Holland movies...


ASM2 and venom sucked, yes, but i thought ASM1 was pretty good and probably on par with homecoming (they have way different issues). two bad movies in a row isn't reason for me to completely write off sony as a company that can do no good. i still think they can get their shit together and make another good spider-man movie.
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 6:01:05 PM
#66:


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SwiftyDC
08/20/19 6:04:44 PM
#67:


Dark Phoenix was terrible.
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NowItsAngeTime
08/20/19 6:07:32 PM
#68:


From what I see this is because both parties are greedy not just Sony

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Metal_DK
08/20/19 6:08:35 PM
#69:


Spider Man 2 is garbage, never understood why people think its so great. Has anyone even watched it recently...gonna bet no

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SwiftyDC
08/20/19 6:08:58 PM
#70:


How'd Hellboy do?
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scarletspeed7
08/20/19 6:13:00 PM
#71:


And that's why you never sell your film rights.
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Mr Lasastryke
08/20/19 6:14:55 PM
#72:


Metal_DK posted...
Spider Man 2 is garbage, never understood why people think its so great. Has anyone even watched it recently...gonna bet no


haven't seen it in awhile but i've seen it many times so i'd say i know it pretty well. the main reason why "people think it's so great" is because molina is superb as doctor octopus.
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 6:17:18 PM
#73:


I think Dunst MJ really dampens a lot of my care for Raimi spideys

although also the strong association with nickelback
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Punnyz
08/20/19 6:44:05 PM
#74:


Hero is legit one of their only few good songs, dawg
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LeonhartFour
08/20/19 7:08:26 PM
#75:


Metal_DK posted...
Spider Man 2 is garbage, never understood why people think its so great. Has anyone even watched it recently...gonna bet no


Watched it a couple years ago with user SaveEstelle

we both thought it was still good
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Mega Mana
08/20/19 8:33:28 PM
#76:


**** Disney. I want my New Mutants movie.
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PerfectChaosZ
08/20/19 8:39:18 PM
#77:


What the heck
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Jakyl25
08/20/19 9:01:08 PM
#78:


StealThisSheen posted...
All Marvel needs to do is insist the character isn't actually Spiderman, since he was introduced as "Underoos"


I still want to know what Underoos are like in a universe where there werent comic book heroes
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MrGreenonion
08/20/19 10:08:06 PM
#80:


I don't know what everyone's so worried about. If there's one thing Sony has a track record for, it's maintaining a high standard of quality for their Spider-Man movie franchises beyond 2 installments.
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StealThisSheen
08/20/19 10:16:24 PM
#81:


Jakyl25 posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
All Marvel needs to do is insist the character isn't actually Spiderman, since he was introduced as "Underoos"


I still want to know what Underoos are like in a universe where there werent comic book heroes


Maybe all the comic book hero ones were just Captain America in that universe
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Raka_Putra
08/20/19 10:16:38 PM
#82:


Night Monkey: Home Alone
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Ngamer64
08/21/19 7:37:23 AM
#84:


Understandable. I, also, enjoy lighting one billion dollars on fire.


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Lightning Strikes
08/21/19 8:41:27 AM
#85:


CoolCly posted...
To be clear, the deal for Spidey originally was extremely atrocious for Marvel - they do all of the work and get none of the financial benefit.

They just really wanted Spidey in their movies. There's plenty for room to argue that they benefited from having him around anyways and they most certainly did

But it's not outrageous or greedy for them to want to renegotiate an equal deal when they are the ones making magic happen. They've proven they know how to make live action Spidey great and successful while Sony doesn't. It would be silly to keep handing all of the profit to Sony.

To say "Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies." as if that's a fair and equitable thing and they are being reasonable is pretty absurd.

Disney could probably come down on 50/50 but taking the same deal as before would be pretty bad. I'd guess it's Sony refusing to come up at all here.


This is completely incorrect. Sony produce the films entirely, including complete financing, distribution, and marketing. Marvel has creative oversight but that is it. Even that is not complete creative control, the Far From Home mid-credits scene was Sony's proposal for instance. It is the other way around, Sony were the ones doing the work. Marvel also get 100% of merchandising. 5% is actually better than the original deal too, which was a flat fee.

Make no mistake - the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies are Sony pictures. Sony made the films with Marvel's help, not the other way around.

I'm sure a deal will be reached though, hopefully not depending on Disney further tightening their grip on everything.
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Waluigi1
08/21/19 9:54:33 AM
#86:


UltimaterializerX posted...
MrGreenonion posted...
I don't know what everyone's so worried about. If there's one thing Sony has a track record for, it's maintaining a high standard of quality for their Spider-Man movie franchises beyond 2 installments.
lol

Every single movie past 2 is trash, and this includes Spiderverse. I thought that movie was okay but its obnoxious fanbase has moved it thoroughly into the garbage category. People actually call that thing the best superhero movie ever? Fuck out of here.

From GQ: Sony is clearly feeling emboldened by the solo success of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

And thats the other reason I will ALWAYS hate that movie.

How ridiculous.
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ExThaNemesis
08/21/19 9:58:06 AM
#87:


Ugh. Copyright laws so stupid.
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HashtagSEP
08/21/19 9:58:24 AM
#88:


Lightning Strikes posted...
CoolCly posted...
To be clear, the deal for Spidey originally was extremely atrocious for Marvel - they do all of the work and get none of the financial benefit.

They just really wanted Spidey in their movies. There's plenty for room to argue that they benefited from having him around anyways and they most certainly did

But it's not outrageous or greedy for them to want to renegotiate an equal deal when they are the ones making magic happen. They've proven they know how to make live action Spidey great and successful while Sony doesn't. It would be silly to keep handing all of the profit to Sony.

To say "Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies." as if that's a fair and equitable thing and they are being reasonable is pretty absurd.

Disney could probably come down on 50/50 but taking the same deal as before would be pretty bad. I'd guess it's Sony refusing to come up at all here.


This is completely incorrect. Sony produce the films entirely, including complete financing, distribution, and marketing. Marvel has creative oversight but that is it. Even that is not complete creative control, the Far From Home mid-credits scene was Sony's proposal for instance. It is the other way around, Sony were the ones doing the work. Marvel also get 100% of merchandising. 5% is actually better than the original deal too, which was a flat fee.

Make no mistake - the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies are Sony pictures. Sony made the films with Marvel's help, not the other way around.

I'm sure a deal will be reached though, hopefully not depending on Disney further tightening their grip on everything.


Do you have a source on this? I'm legitimately curious, as everything I had read only said Sony distributed it.
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Nanis23
08/21/19 10:29:49 AM
#89:


I must be the only one in the world that is glad to hear this news
Tom Holland is a horrible Spiderman and I prefer to see less of him

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Waluigi1
08/21/19 10:34:35 AM
#90:


Nanis23 posted...
I must be the only one in the world that is glad to hear this news
Tom Holland is a horrible Spiderman and I prefer to see less of him

You're not gonna see less of him...
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LeonhartFour
08/21/19 10:37:19 AM
#91:


Nanis23 posted...
I must be the only one in the world that is glad to hear this news


this is the least shocking post in this entire topic
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PerfectChaosZ
08/21/19 10:43:10 AM
#92:


Can't wait to learn where Spider-Man got his powers, who had to die to teach him responsibility, and how much he sucked at using his powers before he got the hang of it all over again.
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HashtagSEP
08/21/19 10:44:22 AM
#93:


Nanis23 posted...
I must be the only one in the world that is glad to hear this news
Tom Holland is a horrible Spiderman and I prefer to see less of him


Don't worry, it's still gonna be Tom Holland as Spiderman.

Just probably in worse movies
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LinkMarioSamus
08/21/19 10:55:32 AM
#94:


So Ulti likes Captain Marvel but not Into the Spiderverse, huh?

The only reaction I can really come up with to this is, well, maybe the suspension of James Gunn was a warning sign for the MCU. I've also seen lots of people online say the announced slate of upcoming MCU films makes it look like it's going in a SJW direction, which...I disagree with rather bitterly.
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HeroDelTiempo17
08/21/19 11:02:36 AM
#95:


I didnt get a chance to see FFH before it left theaters but honestly the best thing about Homecoming was that it was able to stand apart from a normal Marvel Studios movie. I wouldn't write Sony off just because they have a mixed record. They're keeping the head writer which is a good sign.

Also, Spider-Verse is the best Spider-Man movie and Marvel Studios wasn't really involved with that. I dunno if it'll hold up as a franchise but they'd be dumb to give away money on those as well.
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Tom Bombadil
08/21/19 11:12:39 AM
#96:


that's okay I am suffering from Superhero Fatigue!!

also spiderman fatigue he's had like twenty movies in five continuities recently or smth

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HeroicSpiderPig
08/21/19 11:15:07 AM
#97:


The second movies certainly diverged, but the total box office for the first Tom Holland and the first Andrew Garfield movie are roughly comparable, so it's not clear that Sony needs the MCU to hit similar numbers for Spider-Man, IMO.
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HashtagSEP
08/21/19 11:21:37 AM
#99:


I misread that so nevermind
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Ainoxi
08/21/19 11:45:47 AM
#100:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
I've also seen lots of people online say the announced slate of upcoming MCU films makes it look like it's going in a SJW direction, which...I disagree with rather bitterly.


It's like I'm really on reddit!

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MrGreenonion
08/21/19 11:48:20 AM
#101:


Lightning Strikes posted...
I'm sure a deal will be reached though, hopefully not depending on Disney further tightening their grip on everything.

I wonder if these negotiations have anything to do with why Phase 4 looks the way it does, with no Spider-Man or Avengers. Gives them time to work out a new deal before they actually needed Spider-Man to appear in something.

Well that and he's been in a movie every year (and 2 this year) since 2016 so he could probably use a little cooling off.
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