Board 8 > Spider-Man out of the MCU

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colliding
08/20/19 4:37:29 PM
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ninkendo
08/20/19 4:38:49 PM
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XIII_rocks
08/20/19 4:40:06 PM
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Shit

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red13n
08/20/19 4:41:24 PM
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how does spider-man even work without the MCU at this point? at least this one without ANOTHER reboot.

because it really feels like it doesn't.
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LeonhartFour
08/20/19 4:41:37 PM
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 4:42:48 PM
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welp

... that is quite the discrepancy in each party's demands, geez
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GranzonEx
08/20/19 4:46:58 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
welp time for another Spider-Man reboot

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Punnyz
08/20/19 4:50:38 PM
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colliding
08/20/19 4:51:01 PM
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well, if holland is still attached for two movies I imagine one is a venom crossover and the last one might be another crossover/sinister 6 deal

it's just going to be a weird tonal shift because the first two movies are basically him as an avenger and now he presumably has to operate in the same world but not mention the outside mcu at all
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XIII_rocks
08/20/19 4:51:53 PM
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Grimlyn posted...
welp

... that is quite the discrepancy in each party's demands, geez


Maybe Spiderverse strengthened their position a bit? Because I was about to ask what planet Sony thought they were on walking away from the MCU, but they probably think they can build a Spiderverse franchise instead. Thanks to Spiderverse their ownership of Spiderman movies is in a stronger position now than it was when they struck the deal with Marvel, I'd say.

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SwiftyDC
08/20/19 4:52:11 PM
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Not sure how this works without Spider-Man.

Sony is fucking dumb. Just take the 50/50 and be grateful.
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Grand Kirby
08/20/19 4:52:52 PM
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Going to remind everyone that Sony is absolutely insane and shouldn't be anywhere near having creative control over the Spider-Man movies:

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Grimlyn
08/20/19 4:53:10 PM
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poor Happy Hogan, RIP in pieces
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MoogleKupo141
08/20/19 4:53:31 PM
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I am so mad at this

they were setting up so much good stuff with him in the MCU arggghhhhhh

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colliding
08/20/19 4:54:15 PM
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SwiftyDC posted...
Not sure how this works without Spider-Man.

Sony is fucking dumb. Just take the 50/50 and be grateful.


what? no. Disney's the one who screwed this up. you don't go from 5% FDG to a 50/50 partnership
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Sorozone
08/20/19 4:55:13 PM
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Y'all show or be mad at Disney not Sony. It's Sony's property. Disney has enough money the could have worked something out instead of a 50/50.

Yeah Sony might be fucking stupid, but the blame is Disney.
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08/20/19 4:55:16 PM
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They'll work it out eventually, this probably won't be as big a deal as it seems.
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Mac Arrowny
08/20/19 4:55:30 PM
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Kinda sad how people are actually on Disney's side here when Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies.

colliding posted...
well, if holland is still attached for two movies I imagine one is a venom crossover and the last one might be another crossover/sinister 6 deal

it's just going to be a weird tonal shift because the first two movies are basically him as an avenger and now he presumably has to operate in the same world but not mention the outside mcu at all


No, those are specifically solo Spider-Man movies directed by Jon Watts, not crossovers.
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 4:56:10 PM
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50/50 co-financing deal =/= Disney taking 50% gross

Mac Arrowny posted...
when Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies.

which is completely ludicrous
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colliding
08/20/19 4:57:35 PM
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Grimlyn posted...
50/50 co-financing deal =/= Disney taking 50% gross

Mac Arrowny posted...
when Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies.

which is completely ludicrous


true, but it's still a huge, aggressive move against the company who actually owns the property
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Shadow Dino
08/20/19 4:58:15 PM
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Welp, here comes the shitshow.

The upshot for the MCU is that we're probably some time away from a big Avengers esque team up movie, so there's still an opportunity for Sony and Disney to return to the negotiating table.
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HashtagSEP
08/20/19 4:58:30 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Kinda sad how people are actually on Disney's side here when Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies.


Yeah but that's a horrible deal for Disney after what the MCU has done for the Spiderman franchise.

Like, Disney's probably asking for too much, but just going with the same deal as before would be stupid.
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Grand Kirby
08/20/19 5:00:04 PM
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It's a bit hard to feel sorry for Sony since they bring absolutely nothing else to the table besides owning the movie rights, which is only because 90s Marvel was run by incompetent monkeys.
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Grimlyn
08/20/19 5:00:10 PM
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who'd ready for Spidey in the Venonverse
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XIII_rocks
08/20/19 5:00:15 PM
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Spiderverse did big things for Spiderman too though

I do agree there's a good chance they come back to this and hash it out.

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SwiftyDC
08/20/19 5:01:34 PM
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At this point it feels like Sony is holding Spider-Man hostage and asking for a ransom.

Copyright, schmopyright.
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Jakyl25
08/20/19 5:02:03 PM
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It would be hilarious if Feige came out and said no, now that kid in Iron Man 2 was NOT Peter Parker
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Mac Arrowny
08/20/19 5:02:15 PM
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Eh, the other thing Marvel gets is to use Spidey in their own movies. I don't think Sony got a cut of CW or IW or anything.
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08/20/19 5:03:10 PM
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Grimlyn posted...
which is completely ludicrous

I don't think it is. They had no reason to renegotiate. This deal was going to expire eventually, might as well have it expire on Sony's terms to they can set up other movies from 3 & 4.
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HashtagSEP
08/20/19 5:03:51 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Spiderverse did big things for Spiderman too though


To be fair, how much it moves the needle for the live action movies is questionable. It only made like, a third of what FFH did, so the live action movies definitely bring in much more money.
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Grand Kirby
08/20/19 5:04:48 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Spiderverse did big things for Spiderman too though

Spiderverse was great, but it's actually really worrying. I'd wager the only reason it worked was because of Lord Miller and the talent attached to the movie, and was probably good despite the Sony management, not because of it. They probably considered it not worth meddling too much into because it was animated. But because it was a success Pascal and the other hacks are going to get their hands all other it trying to make another shared universe franchise and run the quality into the fucking ground.
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colliding
08/20/19 5:05:05 PM
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as someone who is against disney owning every property under the sun, I'm actually okay with seeing if sony has learned any lessons here in terms of putting out a good spider-man movie

chances are they haven't, which sucks, but whatever. I'm really sick of disney being the only movies people care about.
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Jakyl25
08/20/19 5:05:30 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Eh, the other thing Marvel gets is to use Spidey in their own movies. I don't think Sony got a cut of CW or IW or anything.


So its basically the same situation as Hulk
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MetalmindStats
08/20/19 5:06:18 PM
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To be clear here, Sony did not actually propose a counteroffer to Disney's 50/50 cofinancing proposal, presumably because they knew Disney did not have any sufficiently compelling reason to budge on their offer.
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ninkendo
08/20/19 5:06:24 PM
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I imagine there will be huge fan backlash and a deal will eventually get done
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08/20/19 5:08:57 PM
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colliding posted...
as someone who is against disney owning every property under the sun, I'm actually okay with seeing if sony has learned any lessons here in terms of putting out a good spider-man movie

I think the lesson they learned is "we can make $800M with a terrible Venom movie, let's see what we can do with a Spiderman people are invested in."
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Mac Arrowny
08/20/19 5:09:06 PM
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MetalmindStats posted...
To be clear here, Sony did not actually propose a counteroffer to Disney's 50/50 cofinancing proposal, presumably because they knew Disney did not have any sufficiently compelling reason to budge on their offer.


What do you mean? Both studios made offers, and neither liked the other offer.
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XIII_rocks
08/20/19 5:11:43 PM
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I dunno

I had like no interest in Spiderverse, and a lot of that was because it was animated, I have to say. And then I watched it and it was great. I think a lot of people would share that experience.

Then there was the Oscar too. Its box office may have been low compared to others but it probably did tremendously well in terms of word of mouth and streaming, and you could expect the sequel to do much better as a result.

I dunno, it just seems like something that would embolden Sony here in general. They don't have mediocre/underperforming Garfield movies carrying the franchise now, as they were when they originally struck the deal. They have a potentially very successful franchise to work with.

I do get that there's still a discrepancy between live action and animated but maybe they think they can start to bridge that gap.

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Jakyl25
08/20/19 5:12:33 PM
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Im sad that now we potentially lose the greatest connected universe, the Spider-Man-Adjacent Cinematic Universe With No Spider-Man
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08/20/19 5:12:55 PM
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Does Sony actually have access to Tom Holland and the established MCU Spiderman stuff? Because so much of it is wrapped up in MCU stuff that I can only imagine them rebooting it.
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CoolCly
08/20/19 5:12:55 PM
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To be clear, the deal for Spidey originally was extremely atrocious for Marvel - they do all of the work and get none of the financial benefit.

They just really wanted Spidey in their movies. There's plenty for room to argue that they benefited from having him around anyways and they most certainly did

But it's not outrageous or greedy for them to want to renegotiate an equal deal when they are the ones making magic happen. They've proven they know how to make live action Spidey great and successful while Sony doesn't. It would be silly to keep handing all of the profit to Sony.

To say "Sony just wanted to keep the same deal as the first two movies." as if that's a fair and equitable thing and they are being reasonable is pretty absurd.

Disney could probably come down on 50/50 but taking the same deal as before would be pretty bad. I'd guess it's Sony refusing to come up at all here.
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Punnyz
08/20/19 5:13:59 PM
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can they legally make Tom Holland play the Night Monkey?
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SwiftyDC
08/20/19 5:15:34 PM
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I'd imagine Tom Holland wanting to quit after this.
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red13n
08/20/19 5:15:42 PM
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extra weird, spider-man headlines the first marvel MCU-based attraction in California ADventure.
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Jakyl25
08/20/19 5:18:03 PM
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Just make it Daredevil
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MetalmindStats
08/20/19 5:18:38 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
MetalmindStats posted...
To be clear here, Sony did not actually propose a counteroffer to Disney's 50/50 cofinancing proposal, presumably because they knew Disney did not have any sufficiently compelling reason to budge on their offer.


What do you mean? Both studios made offers, and neither liked the other offer.

To clarify here, what I meant was that neither Sony nor Disney tried to negotiate after Sony turned down Disney's offer.
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Mr Lasastryke
08/20/19 5:22:54 PM
#48:


CoolCly posted...
They've proven they know how to make live action Spidey great and successful while Sony doesn't.


eh, i wouldn't agree with the "great" part. haven't seen far from home yet but i'll take spider-man 2 over homecoming.
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StealThisSheen
08/20/19 5:24:03 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
MetalmindStats posted...
To be clear here, Sony did not actually propose a counteroffer to Disney's 50/50 cofinancing proposal, presumably because they knew Disney did not have any sufficiently compelling reason to budge on their offer.


What do you mean? Both studios made offers, and neither liked the other offer.


Sony's was less an offer and more a refusal of accepting new offers
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XIII_rocks
08/20/19 5:24:50 PM
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Yeah

2 is still the best Spidey movie imo

But that was a different time for superhero movies entirely

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