Board 8 > Yu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!

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Well he's given up. Nothing like the last game where he was mislynched. No fire to win the game, just quiet resignation
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Ok.

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Why are you so insistent on this mass claim

Town does not think this is lylo. Your feeling that it could be is at best paranoia and at worst a scumtell.

Move on and do something productive with the day instead of sulking.
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Lopen posted...

Why are you so insistent on this mass claim

Town does not think this is lylo. Your feeling that it could be is at best paranoia and at worst a scumtell.

Move on and do something productive with the day instead of sulking.

What does this even mean?
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The majority of the players in the game do not find a 5 man scumteam plausible.
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theres no 5 man team with an sk

I dont need to read to know that
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Corrik wants mass for easier night kills cause there's probably one more power role out there, so is pretending to think there's a possibility of 5+SK to encourage it. That is pretty much impossible to believe legitimately though. Town could be at lylo on day 2 if there was no night 1 crossfire, on numbers. You don't balance an SK game with more scum-- you balance it with more protection. If anything you err on the side of caution for scum as you don't want the game to be unwinnable for town too quickly.

We have leads to go on-- there's just no reason to mass right now. I think he overplayed his hand with a lot of town thinking he probably was town bulletproof and is now paying the consequences.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Great insight Scare

you are welcome
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Corrik is giving up, Scare isn't contributing anything, day is stagnating. Is anyone actually going to say anything in the next 24 hours?
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I encourage hammering Corrik

Let's keep this game's brisk pace going!
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I dont think corrik is scum
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Caught up. I agree with Corrik on mass claiming. Its the easiest way to sort shit out at this point, considering most of town has already claimed. Assuming Corrik's BP town is legit, there can only be a couple of unclaimed townies today and we're rapidly running out of vanillas:

1. Blade (Meow1000) / Scare (ScareChan) unclaimed
2. Corrik (Corrik7) BP town
3. FD (Forceful_Dragon) town vanilla
4. HB (Hbthebattle) unclaimed
5. IGCD (IfGodCouldDie) unclaimed
6. Lea (Leanansidhe) unclaimed
7. Lopen (Lopen) a bullshit claim no one believes
8. MZero (MZero11) unclaimed
9. SBell (Obellisk) / Firebolt (fire_bolt) town vanilla

Deadlist:
KN2: Red - Asato Kido, TOWN Shadow Psychic (roleblocker)
LD1: Ulti - Yusuke Urameshi, TOWN Tracker
KN3: Brohan - Botan, TOWN Watcher
KN1: Han - Jorge the Ogre, TOWN Vanilla
LD4: Ben - Toya, TOWN Vanilla
KN4: Gravy - Shishiwakamaru, TOWN Vanilla

LD3: Chris - Ruka, MAFIA Roleblocker
LD2: Sultan - Shinobu Sensui, Untargetable Serial Killer

So that gives us a town list of 1.5 protect, 2.5 scan, 5 vanilla for a total of 9 atm.

Scum has at least 3 left, for a total of 5 overall scum (including the SK). These number seem right. There is probably 1 more vanilla unclaimed town, 1 major power, and 1 minor power. I wouldn't be surprised to see a town reviver in this setup for the final major power, and probably a minor scanner of some sort for the minor power. Or maybe single shot vig/double voter.

I'm ready to start pressuring claims out of the remaining folks starting with Lopen.

##Unvote

##Vote: Lopen
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I dont feel fake on Chris seemed scum scum. And then they worked together after. I feel if they go through counter charade they keep trying to burn the other down
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If someone has claimed that I have listed as unclaimed, please correct me. I am well aware I may have missed something
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Will we mass tomorrow?

Also you are questioning my crumbs, Lopen. What you don't seem to understand is that my first post came almost 90 minutes before I had even expected day to be up. I saw a notification, opened the topic, and threw a post together. I had effectively only seen the votals at that point. Also the phrasing..

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also I would love to lynch Ulti, but I feel as though I must announce that it is for purely personal reasons. I really don't like him.

is a really damn awkward way to say that. "I feel as though I must announce"? If I wasn't trying to go that direction I would have just said "I would love to lunch Ulti because I do not like him". It's not a secret either or something I would feel the need to announce. And don't forget that day one was only three hours. By the time I was done playing beat saber the day was over -_-.

Does that guarantee I'm town? No, and there is no way that I can do that. But as far as crumbs go it was solid and the best I could do in that spot.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Why are you assuming his claim is legit?

We have confirmation that Corrik is BP if I read correctly and I am town reading the shit out of him. I didn't stand by that last game and we mislynched him when I should have stuck up for him. I think the Lopen/Corrik feud is probably a stupid town/town fight because Lopen is convinced he's the smartest player in the room and Corrik isn't having any of it.

I'm borderline sure you're scum riding the Lopen tunnel wave to mislynch the strongest remaining town player. Compared to last game you a pretty much doing nothing except pushing other people's case enough to seem like you're putting in effort. This could be a result of being the last vanilla instead of a cop but even before you had scans last game you were more assertive.
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Oh are we actually making people claim today? That sounds better than ending day.

##Vote: Lopen

That's -2.

Let's hear your actual claim, oh mighty Duke of Deers
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Oh are we actually making people claim today? That sounds better than ending day.

I'm home from work and off the next three days. I have a social thing I need to do at some point tonight but I can put in a little work.
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And the BP part is absolutely legit based on the information we have available. I still think it's scum BP to give scum insurance from being completely destroyed by SK.
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You are missing a few claims alrdy. Scare and Lea claimed vanilla I believe.

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I thought scare was genkai, doctor.

In no universe is fucking genkai a vanilla.
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Corrik7 posted...

Scare and Lea claimed vanilla I believe.

I think one of them is probably lying then. I have trouble believing Town would have so little power against 5 scum
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I thought scare was genkai, doctor.

In no universe is fucking genkai a vanilla.

Yeah, he isn't doctor lol.

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And by "one of them is lying" I mean Lea. Lea might be SCUM vanilla though. So half a lie?
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fire_bolt posted...

I think one of them is probably lying then. I have trouble believing Town would have so little power against 5 scum

Well, that's the point of mass claiming. Are all the scum gonna claim vanilla? Is someone gonna have a claim we can fit into meta to confirm them town. Is someone gonna try and fit something that doesn't work?

We are just listening to Lopen throw shit against a wall all day right now and it gains us nothing.

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Well, it is encouraging to see people rally to my defense here because I am struggling to believe anyone who has read can read me as scum. If this flips from a mislynch on me to a good lynch, it confirms some alignments imo


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Corrik7 posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I thought scare was genkai, doctor.

In no universe is fucking genkai a vanilla.

Yeah, he isn't doctor lol.

Well then he is Something Else because in addition to being Yusuke's wise trainer she is also a certified. badass.

Anyways I caught up again during lunch but now it's ending. Back later.
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Official Votals as of post 131

(3) Corrik: IGCD, Lopen, Lea
(3) Lopen: Corrik, (Lea), Firebolt, FD
(1) FD: (Corrik), MZero, (Lea)
(1) Lea: HB
(0) Scare: (Lea), (Lea)

@ me with any mistakes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Lea you aren't gonna vote Lopen for his claim like you did earlier this day?

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Let's just say HB is effectively on you, Lopen. You gonna claim now or not? We want your claim, not a hammer.

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Corrik7 posted...

Let's just say HB is effectively on you, Lopen. You gonna claim now or not? We want your claim, not a hammer.

I have no desire to lynch Lopen at the moment.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Do you really need a claim to have an opinion on Lopen? He's posted and done more than any other player.

Yes. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone here but I will anyway.

In a game of Mafia, town overwhelming has the power advantage. Town has both numbers and typically more actual power roles. It takes DAYS of scum getting night kills to even that advantage out, even if they're also getting mislynches some during the day. Assuming a 12-4-1 split for this game, town outnumbered the scum team 3:1.

The reason town doesn't just auto-win games is because scum has the INFORMATION advantage. Every scum member knows EXACTLY who is on their team, exactly what their powers are, and exactly who they need to eliminate to win. Even for one-off scum "teams" like a solo SK this is true (since he knows his own stuff and needs to eliminate everyone). Town gets several roles usually to negate this information advantage.

However, it looks like our information gatherers are (at least mostly) dead. Which means town needs another method of eliminating that information advantage. The only way to do that at this point is to mass claim, sift thru the claims, and start lynching whoever doesn't fit or won't play with town. Let me make it clear. I WILL support the lynch of anyone who refuses to play with town from here on out. If you're a stubborn townie then you are throwing the game by not helping the rest of us sort it out (similar to how I was ready to lynch red last game). We can get your information off your flip if you will not provide it, full stop.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I have no desire to lynch Lopen at the moment.

Do you want his claim?

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Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I have no desire to lynch Lopen at the moment.

Do you want his claim?

Yeah, I do, but I'd rather not put him to -1 with how hammer happy the game has been.
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Lea strikes me as wanting to hammer. Keep him -2.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, I do, but I'd rather not put him to -1 with how hammer happy the game has been.

So you agree you are effectively on him but aren't because u want a claim and not a hammer. That's what I meant.

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Frankly I think we should go back to my original plan of going for Lea and then Scare
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Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, I do, but I'd rather not put him to -1 with how hammer happy the game has been.

So you agree you are effectively on him but aren't because u want a claim and not a hammer. That's what I meant.

Yeah, then that's fine, I guess
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Lea re-iterate your claim please.


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Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, I do, but I'd rather not put him to -1 with how hammer happy the game has been.

Corrik7 posted...

Lea strikes me as wanting to hammer. Keep him -2.

Both of these. Lea is scum looking to close out the day. We CANNOT put someone at -1 unless she is already on their wagon. That said, I'll fucking hammer Lopen myself if he doesn't claim (if I wasn't already on his wagon, naturally)
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Scare, claim please.

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