Board 8 > Yu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!

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Lopen posted...

Corrik, if you're town, you do better

Analyze your own play. What parts of it could come off as scummy and what parts come off as towny.

What I have seen as lacking in your play this game is a real concentrated digging on someone, which is something I felt you did your recent town games. You're sorta just shotgunning opinions on everything, molding your opinions to that of the lynch of least resistance.

So I'm giving you an opportunity to dig deep, on the easiest target. Yes... your very soul...

Nothing can come off as scummy. Felt I played the game pretty solidly despite a lack of results. I am one of the few have even re-read the game and kept logical flow of where my reads were coming from and why.

I have given solid reasoning for why people are likely town and not on teams with Chris.

A mass claim is necessary to further try and narrow this down as much as possible, especially due to the slight chance this could be Mylo.

My role isn't gonna stop a kill, so it is not the biggest issue if I were mislynched as far as power goes. However, mislynching me would be a huge blow because it should be extremely to ascertain I am town by play and setup.

If yinz choose to Lynch me, just chalk it to El oh El board 8 towns and whatever. *Shrug*

I have been pretty accurate on some reads, unfortunately the people I have been accurate on have died with my accuracy. I had Brohan and Gravy as definite towns. Both preceded to die shortly after. Bummer, I suppose. Maybe you will argue I chose them to kill to lend weight to my own reads. Whatever.

The point is yinz need to do better because there is zero logical argument I am scum yet another game in a row. Learn your lessons at some point.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Leanansidhe posted...

So you want a town doctor to claim so you're less likely to get lynched?

There is 100% no doctor in this game. And a doctor would just claim vanilla anyways even though there is not one.

Swap "doctor" for "any protection"

Either you want protection to claim for this mass claim, or you think they'll just claim vanilla at which point a mass claim is basically useless

There isn't any protection left that can stop a kill. At best we have a BG left. Or something neutered like that.

But, see I can know that because you know I know my role.

Thinking scum cares what your powers are at this point is silly. They have no powers left they could have to fear with what has flipped. Just trying to keep the game clouded and not clear is the only thing that not finishing the claims does.
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You're right, it doesn't make sense at all for scum to have a way to negate the influence of the untargetable SK.

:thinking:

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And maybe I'm being spiteful, but since I had to claim I think everyone else should too.

I also really hate the idea of giving scum Chris so much credit that he got TWO townies to blow smoke out their ass just so he could continue to completely control the pace of the days. But maybe, like Ben, Lea just got swept up in the energy of it all?
The gravy kill does make more sense from the perspective of trying to control the opinions of those left alive.

I still think BOTH see scum though, so I'm certainly not opposing Corrik's lynch.

It's got to be those two plus one of either Mzero, Hb or Igcd. I haven't been find of Mzero, but I have to try not to let the fact that he's been up my ass all game influence my read on him. And I've honestly barely even noticed the other two this game. I like that hb has been pulled more into the spotlight today and I think igcd could use the same treatment. I'll need to read some of their prior day stuff when I have the chance.

And my break is ending but I'll try to catch up again when I take my lunch, otherwise I'll be off work at 3 pst
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

You're right, it doesn't make sense at all for scum to have a way to negate the influence of the untargetable SK.

:thinking:

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And maybe I'm being spiteful, but since I had to claim I think everyone else should too.

I also really hate the idea of giving scum Chris so much credit that he got TWO townies to blow smoke out their ass just so he could continue to completely control the pace of the days. But maybe, like Ben, Lea just got swept up in the energy of it all?
The gravy kill does make more sense from the perspective of trying to control the opinions of those left alive.

I still think BOTH see scum though, so I'm certainly not opposing Corrik's lynch.

It's got to be those two plus one of either Mzero, Hb or Igcd. I haven't been find of Mzero, but I have to try not to let the fact that he's been up my ass all game influence my read on him. And I've honestly barely even noticed the other two this game. I like that hb has been pulled more into the spotlight today and I think igcd could use the same treatment. I'll need to read some of their prior day stuff when I have the chance.

And my break is ending but I'll try to catch up again when I take my lunch, otherwise I'll be off work at 3 pst

Vote Lopen and force him to claim. Then we can get the rest of the claims.
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I have a few reasons, actually.

- Claimed you counterclaimed Chris and were vital in getting him lynched, while you made basically no push on Chris. Jumped off to lynch me at the first opportunity. If you were actually town bulletproof I feel you're going harder on directly opposing roles than reads, especially since you haven't really pushed that read on me.
- Claimed Lea was town yesterday. Claimed she was possible scum today. Both based on very little. Having a strong preference between Lea and Ben yesterday is just kinda weird to me in general, really.
- Have town cleared people based on really minor arbitrary things. Breadcrumbs are 99.9% town, when FD didn't even really breadcrumb, I mean what. Hb challenged Chris's claim-- double what. I feel like town Corrik just says "this guy is town" gets obstinate when people disagree and leaves it at that.
- Kept drawing back to a light scum push on me for a reason you knew I thought was stupid and thus would not engage-- I think you're smart enough to realize Ulti did that to me and destroyed me with it. Then once I point it out, you stopped.
- No concentrated push on anyone at any point. Like who are you even supporting as a lynch today and why.
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Corrik7 posted...

Lopen posted...

Corrik, if you're town, you do better

Analyze your own play. What parts of it could come off as scummy and what parts come off as towny.

What I have seen as lacking in your play this game is a real concentrated digging on someone, which is something I felt you did your recent town games. You're sorta just shotgunning opinions on everything, molding your opinions to that of the lynch of least resistance.

So I'm giving you an opportunity to dig deep, on the easiest target. Yes... your very soul...

Corrik: Nothing I do is alignment indicative
Also Corrik: Everything I do makes me town

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Lopen posted...

I have a few reasons, actually.

- Claimed you counterclaimed Chris and were vital in getting him lynched, while you made basically no push on Chris. Jumped off to lynch me at the first opportunity. If you were actually town bulletproof I feel you're going harder on directly opposing roles than reads, especially since you haven't really pushed that read on me.
- Claimed Lea was town yesterday. Claimed she was possible scum today. Both based on very little. Having a strong preference between Lea and Ben yesterday is just kinda weird to me in general, really.
- Have town cleared people based on really minor arbitrary things. Breadcrumbs are 99.9% town, when FD didn't even really breadcrumb, I mean what. Hb challenged Chris's claim-- double what. I feel like town Corrik just says "this guy is town" gets obstinate when people disagree and leaves it at that.
- Kept drawing back to a light scum push on me for a reason you knew I thought was stupid and thus would not engage-- I think you're smart enough to realize Ulti did that to me and destroyed me with it. Then once I point it out, you stopped.
- No concentrated push on anyone at any point. Like who are you even supporting as a lynch today and why.

As of now, I need all claims to decide who i think is best. FD was who I thought was the best lynch, but I am convinced he is town now due to breadcrumbs.
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I think "breadcrumbs," and I quote those because, well, who could possibly think that was a breadcrumb-- announce is just a common word that fit the context he was using it in, should not be good enough to overcome your existing suspicion of him. You might as well say I breadcrumbed cop because my first post was talking about being the bad cop. Actually that would be a better claim of a breadcrumb because cop is an actual mafia role and announce is just a word that may or may not be in someone's flavor.

And I don't think you're getting your claims so you should move forward based on that.
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Lopen posted...

I think "breadcrumbs," and I quote those because, well, who could possibly think that was a breadcrumb-- announce is just a common word that fit the context he was using it in, should not be good enough to overcome your existing suspicion of him. You might as well say I breadcrumbed cop because my first post was talking about being the bad cop. Actually that would be a better claim of a breadcrumb because cop is an actual mafia role and announce is just a word that may or may not be in someone's flavor.

And I don't think you're getting your claims so you should move forward based on that.

I am good. I will make the correct plays as town. If town wants to be anti-town then lose the game. No sweat off my back. Can't make a team want to win. Just reinforces we need better players or smaller games. If people like scare are town, it is frankly just pathetic.
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So is scare the lynch you want to push for today then?
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Lopen posted...

So is scare the lynch you want to push for today then?

As of now I think Mzero or Scare is best. But, claims are important.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Lopen bread-crumbed DEER Deer King Triple Vig Doc, by claiming it

I mislynched you last game, but I'm still not sure what I should have done differently there. How does Scum Corrik play this game?

You would have never lynched Chris if I were scum. I woulda had this game distracted to fuck and back. Me and Chris have NEVER not swept a game as scum together.
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Corrik's reaction to suspicion in this game vs last is way different

This one he's kinda just trying to ignore it, sweep it under the rug
The last he went off like a crazy person trying to pick apart the people who were the most suspicious of him

Am I saying someone plays the same every game? Not really. But you'd think he'd try harder to make a case on me (especially since I'm being "opportunistic" with this lynch)
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Hell if you don't want to build a case on me, why not IGCD. Why MZero? Why Scare?
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Lopen posted...

Corrik's reaction to suspicion in this game vs last is way different

This one he's kinda just trying to ignore it, sweep it under the rug
The last he went off like a crazy person trying to pick apart the people who were the most suspicious of him

Am I saying someone plays the same every game? Not really. But you'd think he'd try harder to make a case on me (especially since I'm being "opportunistic" with this lynch)

I actually said ur probably town after re-reading some. You just think too highly of yourself and flipped your reads because you think they left you purposely alive for you to lead town asunder with ur bad reads. When they actually left you alive cuz your crazy as hell as town and because gravy was obvious as fuck town.
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I didn't literally flip the reads on their head

I just re-evaluated everything because I was probably on the wrong track if left alive.

Assuming Lea is stupid ass town, you make a lot more sense as scum-- the biggest reason I'd given you the benefit of a doubt is because I felt Lea was sure scum and that she wouldn't make that fakeclaim with you being a potential kill target.

Your play hasn't really felt very towny this game anyway. Not much fire in pursuing targets to speak of. A lot more town clears with reasoning rather than just RNG clearing.
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Lopen posted...

Hell if you don't want to build a case on me, why not IGCD. Why MZero? Why Scare?

The case is the same for all 3 of them. Ironically. They haven't really done anything to be town all game. IGCD makes the most sense as town of the 3 tho.

I noticed on re-read that I had basically no reason to have Mzero as town. I just said hey everyone on Chris is likely town, and that was basically it. Seems pretty flimsy in retrospect. Ben flipping town hurt. If he was scum, I woulda locked up Mzero as town for sure. But, it didn't go that way. FD breadcrumbing into a sure town read also makes Mzero even more suspect as they were the only two he wanted to Lynch, and he didn't want to Lynch Chris day 3 despite voting him day 2.

Scare is probably the likeliest scum, but Mzero doesn't look too good either.
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Official Votals as of post 68

(3) Corrik: IGCD, Lopen, Lea
(1) Lopen: Corrik, (Lea)
(1) FD: (Corrik), MZero, (Lea)
(1) Lea: HB
(0) Scare: (Lea), (Lea)

@ me with any mistakes

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Corrik7 posted...

I noticed on re-read that I had basically no reason to have Mzero as town.

Sounds like your usual town clears though?
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Lopen posted...

I didn't literally flip the reads on their head

I just re-evaluated everything because I was probably on the wrong track if left alive.

Assuming Lea is stupid ass town, you make a lot more sense as scum-- the biggest reason I'd given you the benefit of a doubt is because I felt Lea was sure scum and that she wouldn't make that fakeclaim with you being a potential kill target.

Your play hasn't really felt very towny this game anyway. Not much fire in pursuing targets to speak of. A lot more town clears with reasoning rather than just RNG clearing.

I am not going to sit here and re-itirate reads 300 times over this game. If anything, I have been the most outflowing with thoughts of my process all game.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Mzero said Scare was just inactive like last game, but I think Scare has been way more inactive than that. The only one to join me on him has been Ben. Blade said he didn't want Ulti hammered, but ensured he would be hammered. Scare had a very opportunistic "claim" against a dead Sultan that I suspect is scaring people off even though he's clearly not protection. See: Dead mafia roleblocker followed by dead watcher. Also see: GG dying instead of Scare.

It is pretty much impossible for scare to be more inactive than last game. He barely had 20 posts all game. Every argument that scare is town is predicated on the play of Blade day 1. The problem somewhat is that Chris was okay with killing scare day 3, but it may have been self-preserving and a sacrifice. Scare also had his terrible reasoning to not vote Chris day 3 also. Scare as scum is usually inactive. The problem is the fact he is inactive as fuck every game as any alignment anymore that is obscuring that tell lately.

To the point that if scare was scum, he had to be inactive to replicate it.

Scare is a solid lynch choice.
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Corrik7 posted...

I have been the most outflowing with thoughts of my process all game.

I agree

Outflowing to the point of being completely unfocused and just scrambling the town. Just making observations for the sake of observations, then correcting yourself immediately after. That two post string about Hb where you rambled on about him being perhaps oblivious scum for noticing a blade replace for a paragraph then one minute later posting again and saying "no my bad" when you could have found that while going on that tirade about him being oblivious scum, and re-evaluated while posting and finding it not necessary to post.

Heck you spent several posts yesterday grilling FD, then drop it completely based on "breadcrumbs" (that aren't actually breadcrumbs)

Your reads haven't really had much consistency at all. There are words that you're posting to get to them but if you actually believed the words you wouldn't be quite so malleable and you wouldn't feel the need to post all the words you have.
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Lopen posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I have been the most outflowing with thoughts of my process all game.

I agree

Outflowing to the point of being completely unfocused and just scrambling the town. Just making observations for the sake of observations, then correcting yourself immediately after. That two post string about Hb where you rambled on about him being perhaps oblivious scum for noticing a blade replace for a paragraph then one minute later posting again and saying "no my bad" when you could have found that while going on that tirade about him being oblivious scum, and re-evaluated while posting and finding it not necessary to post.

Heck you spent several posts yesterday grilling FD, then drop it completely based on "breadcrumbs" (that aren't actually breadcrumbs)

Your reads haven't really had much consistency at all. There are words that you're posting to get to them but if you actually believed the words you wouldn't be quite so malleable and you wouldn't feel the need to post all the words you have.

Yeah, I posted about HB then decided there was only one place I did not check to see if it was announced. The day start post. It was there. So I corrected myself. Those 2 posts are such a town thought process it is insane you find it "scummy" lol.

Yeah, when you are building a case and someone proves themself pretty reliably to be town, you tend to drop that avenue and re-evaluate.

It would have been the same if fire_bolt claimed doctor last game when I built that huge case against him. When someone proves themself probably town, you don't continue down an erroneous.
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Lopen calling Corrik scum for townclearing is funny when he towncleared Lea for himself not dying at night
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Hbthebattle posted...

Lopen calling Corrik scum for townclearing is funny when he towncleared Lea for himself not dying at night

Lopen is just conspiracy theorying. He does this shit as town. Like I said, he holds himself in too high of esteem to base all his reads based on himself not dying.
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The posts actually read like scum faking being town because it's extremely easy to check that one place (the most obvious place to check, btw) before actually making the first post, particularly since they came so close to another in terms of time. Like I'm not exaggerating when I said it would have been quicker to just check than to type up your tirade about him being oblivious scum who made a slip and knew about a replace before we did.

It's basically like you're faking an "aha!" moment, because if you're town you're not needing to dig to have that moment after the first post, because you're making that dig before even putting your first thoughts forth. And if you are town, you're not realizing that you should check there mere seconds after making the first post.
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Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Lopen calling Corrik scum for townclearing is funny when he towncleared Lea for himself not dying at night

Lopen is just conspiracy theorying. He does this shit as town. Like I said, he holds himself in too high of esteem to base all his reads based on himself not dying.

Yeah, Im aware. I played English Literature Mafia too and this is basically a repeat of his antics there.
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Lopen posted...

The posts actually read like scum faking being town because it's extremely easy to check that one place (the most obvious place to check, btw) before actually making the first post, particularly since they came so close to another in terms of time. Like I'm not exaggerating when I said it would have been quicker to just check than to type up your tirade about him being oblivious scum who made a slip and knew about a replace before we did.

It's basically like you're faking an "aha!" moment, because if you're town you're not needing to dig to have that moment after the first post, because you're making that dig before even putting your first thoughts forth. And if you are town, you're not realizing that you should check there mere seconds after making the first post.

I highly doubt I needed an aha moment or to go down a rabbit hole on someone I have consistently have said has to be town all game.

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How is this a repeat of my antics there. Go into detail on the parallels.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, Im aware. I played English Literature Mafia too and this is basically a repeat of his antics there.

The one thing that is concerning is that in the dead chat it was said that I "have good reads a lot but I let myself be distracted and go off on a tangent a lot when town".

Yet, he is neither acknowledging his breaking of town logic on his "self-resolving" town play and his "refusing to claim is anti-town if pressured with votes".

Also, claiming that my jumping on his logic break regarding his self-resolving was me trying to not Lynch Chris when I said Chris was scum basically all game since the beginning of Day 2 until his lynch, for many reasons.

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Corrik7 posted...

Also, claiming that my jumping on his logic break regarding his self-resolving was me trying to not Lynch Chris when I said Chris was scum basically all game since the beginning of Day 2 until his lynch, for many reasons.

Corrik7 posted...

"have good reads a lot but I let myself be distracted and go off on a tangent a lot when town".

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Corrik7 posted...

I said Chris was scum basically all game since the beginning of Day 2 until his lynch, for many reasons.

Yet generated no pressure on him! All the credibility, none of the risk!

You're talking about going on tangents-- I can't even determine what your main direction has been for most of the game. At this point I wouldn't even be able to tell you what you're going off on a tangent from. Certainly not Chris. You dropped that case before it even started.
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Lopen posted...

How is this a repeat of my antics there. Go into detail on the parallels.

Ok so this game:
Youve claimed that Ben is pulling a double reverse quadruple WIFOM and thus must be scum
Youve claimed that anyone who wasnt on Ben is likely scum because no one could have better reads than the great Lopen
Youve claimed that I was scum for pointing out there might be other reasons why you didnt die during the night
Need I go on?
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Leanansidhe posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Lopen posted...

How is this a repeat of my antics there. Go into detail on the parallels.

Ok so this game:
Youve claimed that Ben is pulling a double reverse quadruple WIFOM and thus must be scum
Youve claimed that anyone who wasnt on Ben is likely scum because no one could have better reads than the great Lopen
Youve claimed that I was scum for pointing out there might be other reasons why you didnt die during the night
Need I go on?

Did he do those things in English Lit mafia?

He had crazy theories then, and crazy theories now. Thats the parallel.
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Lopen posted...

Yet generated no pressure on him! All the credibility, none of the risk!

You're talking about going on tangents-- I can't even determine what your main direction has been for most of the game. At this point I wouldn't even be able to tell you what you're going off on a tangent from. Certainly not Chris. You dropped that case before it even started.

You are just outright lying now.



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Hbthebattle posted...

Ok so this game:
Youve claimed that Ben is pulling a double reverse quadruple WIFOM and thus must be scum
Youve claimed that anyone who wasnt on Ben is likely scum because no one could have better reads than the great Lopen
Youve claimed that I was scum for pointing out there might be other reasons why you didnt die during the night
Need I go on?

Yes because none of those are parallels except arguably the first one. Also I'll note that there were 6 people that weren't me on Ben (I wasn't even on Ben!) so uhh, yeah, clearly not completely weird thinking to think he was scum because "why would town do that" is a legit play.

Also I've claimed you were likely scum for a lot more reasons than that let's not misrepresent my argument.

If you wanna talk parallels this lashing out is reminding me a lot of Godzilla topic 1 where you started trying to belittle my play by drawing parallels to the previous game baselessly, then when called on it you sorta just thrashed said some gibberish and I was like "oh okay"
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Corrik7 posted...

You are just outright lying now.

You did post sirens. If this is what counts as pressure then sure.

I would say you've generated significantly more pressure on FD (who is now cleared based on nothing) than you ever did on Chris
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Maybe he took his hand with like, a lot of force. Like a crushing handshake. That generates pressure I hear.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Very easy to see how that isn't scum-scum interaction.


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Let's be honest, Blade begged to be town vanilla pregame and replaced out after what would be drawing the role he wanted so desperately night 1.

Doesn't even count that his replacements (and plums) are usually when scum.

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Well I guess I'm just more friendly as scum because we always hold hands in my mafia teams

I would with my DEER faction buddies too but we can't for obvious reasons
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Do you understand how unfunny and dumb your deer shit is?

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Sounds like someone is upset he can't keep changing his fakeclaim
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Revise your claim to DEER Bulletproof and I will take your hand and forgive you
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Ping me whenever the game decides to mass claim. Otherwise Lynch me. I couldn't care less.

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