Poll of the Day > I hate the smash community so much.

(+) Yeah! (+)

They are such wimps.

It started with how every single generation they demand to be able to use the Gamecube controller. Instead of just adapting to modern controls, they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

But that was just the start.

So Hero gets released and it sent the entire smash competitive community into a tailspin because it incorporated *shock, gasp* randomness mechanics.

I tested it for myself and honestly, the randomness mechanic isn't even a big deal. There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

But smash players hate randomness of any kind, they still complain about tripping to this day even though it was hardly an issue.

Instead of learning how to mitigate risk like any sane person, they complain. Loudly. Now the community is split down the middle because of whiny babies.

VioletZer0 posted...

There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

https://imgur.com/JNpycgo
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literally any competitive scene hates random variables in their game

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The better the game, the worse the community

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Mead posted...

The better the game, the worse the community

Not true at all.

DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally any competitive scene hates random variables in their game

I wonder how they would handle playing a roguelike.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Not true at all.

I proved it

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Mead posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Not true at all.

I proved it

Citation needed.

WastelandCowboy posted...

Citation needed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate

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Gamecube controller was the best one and xbox and ps tend to always keep the same style controller gen after gen so I dont get that bitch.
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Nintendo likes to release consoles with a kind of crap controller

but then sell a good controller separately for $50-$60

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Gamecube controller was the best one

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I've never liked the GameCube controller. It's just weird as fuck, with the face buttons, the nub, and the shoulder buttons that sink in.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and xbox and ps tend to always keep the same style controller gen after gen so I dont get that bitch.

That's the primary controller for the system. The GC controller is specifically requested by fans for one game
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keyblader1985 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Gamecube controller was the best one

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I've never liked the GameCube controller. It's just weird as fuck, with the face buttons, the nub, and the shoulder buttons that sink in.

mooreandrew58 posted...

and xbox and ps tend to always keep the same style controller gen after gen so I dont get that bitch.

That's the primary controller for the system. The GC controller is specifically requested by fans for one game

I understand the bitch about the nub its my one complaint about the controller.
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keyblader1985 posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally any competitive scene hates random variables in their game

I wonder how they would handle playing a roguelike.

roguelikes typically arent competitve pvp
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keyblader1985 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Gamecube controller was the best one

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I've never liked the GameCube controller. It's just weird as fuck, with the face buttons, the nub, and the shoulder buttons that sink in.

You're not alone. The Wii Classic Controller Pro and the Switch Pro Controller are both better.

The Switch Pro Controller would actually be perfect if the D-pad wasn't faulty and if it had a headphone jack and mic.
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man I can get past the down b wheel bs but the random crits are just too much, even shielding an attack can just lose you a stock
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TheSlinja posted...

roguelikes typically arent competitve pvp

I didn't say otherwise. But players still take the game seriously, and survive and even thrive in random conditions.
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The community survived Brawl. It will survive this too.

But yeah, most of the Smash community is kinda shit.
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Mead posted...

The better the game, the worse the community

It's less about the quality of the game and more about the genre.

I don't think I've ever seen a fighting game community that isn't hot garbage. Usually the more competitive the multiplayer, the worse the fans.
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VioletZer0 posted...

they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

Because it's literally the best controller ever made. It's pretty frustrating when they strike gold, but decide they're happier with bronze.

Grendel posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

Because it's literally the best controller ever made.

lolno
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

lolno

lolyes

The Gamecube controller is a good controller but it's not perfect.

It is kinda awkward for certain games.
The C stick struggles with shooters and the D pad is overall kinda crap.

But the Gamecube controller is great with games such as Smash Bros and platformers(especially 3D ones).

My personal favourite is still the Xbox 360 controller though.
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I figured out that I dislike the community for most games because the whiny people tend to be the loudest.

VioletZer0 posted...

It started with how every single generation they demand to be able to use the Gamecube controller. Instead of just adapting to modern controls, they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

Yeah, while I do think the Gamecube controller is good for Smash, I refuse to use it for anything other than Gamecube. The last time I played a Smash game was Brawl and I only ever used the wii mote + nunchuk. The only time I used a GC controller on the Wii was for GC games I was playing on it.
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VioletZer0 posted...

There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

If this was the smash board, I'd say you were trolling, because this is very blatantly false.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Grendel posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

Because it's literally the best controller ever made.

lolno

The only thing the Gamecube controller does better than other controller is that it is the easiest to control depression of the triggers. Which is exclusively useful for driving games.

Otherwise the switch pro is the best.

Dreaming_King posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

https://imgur.com/JNpycgo

Violet please explain to us how the Hero player was better here

VioletZer0 posted...

They are such wimps.

It started with how every single generation they demand to be able to use the Gamecube controller. Instead of just adapting to modern controls, they demand that Nintendo release a gamecube controller every generation.

In fairness, the GameCube controller really is perfect for Smash Bros..

Have you ever tried playing with the Wii remote by itself, Wii remote + nunchuk combo, or either of the Wii classic controllers? Its.. not a fun experience lol.

That said, the pro controller and GamePad on Wii U were fine, as is the pro controller for Switch. So as long as the controller doesnt suck in general, GameCube controller isnt really needed.
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Smash(especially competitive) hasn't been good since Melee anyways.
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rexcrk posted...

Have you ever tried playing with the Wii remote by itself, Wii remote + nunchuk combo, or either of the Wii classic controllers? Its.. not a fun experience lol.

I just haven't tried it with the wii classic controllers and it felt fine the other two ways. All it takes is getting used to the new controller.
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I've tried every different option for Brawl, and I'm best with the Wiimote + nunchuck.
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keyblader1985 posted...

I've tried every different option for Brawl, and I'm best with the Wiimote + nunchuck.

My brain is too hardwired to change from Gamecube controller lol

That's why Smash 3DS was so awkward to play for me.
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Well can we agree that the gamecube controller is the best controller that comes stock with a nintendo system? Paying extra for a passable controller is lame
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

literally any competitive scene hates random variables in their game

yeah if you want your game to be actually competative then you try to have as little random elements as possible. knowing what will happen next when you hit a button is key to planning things out. There are some random elements that can be excused/worked with, but there is a tipping point when too much randomness is present that makes the fight feel like a roll of the dice rather then an actual fight where skill is needed.

also tripping was the 2nd dumbest part of brawl.
keyblader1985 posted...

I wonder how they would handle playing a roguelike.

Idk about others but i dont care for them/outright dislike them. the most prominent ones i've played are the binding of isaac and rouge legacy.
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Gamecube controllers? I just want to be able to use this $60 Wii U pro paperweight.

GameCube controllers' analog shield buttons and bigger joystick make for slower response times. Using the switch joycons gives you a free advantage.

Input in general takes very little development to support, everything should work. Idk why GameCube gets special treatment, I still have these 4 Wii remotes.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Dreaming_King posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

https://imgur.com/JNpycgo

Violet please explain to us how the Hero player was better here

If you get your shield destroyed you deserve what happens to you.

the crit one shots shields
so are you just not allowed to shield?
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keyblader1985 posted...

I wonder how they would handle playing a roguelike.

Ah yes, roguelikes. My favorite competitive multiplayer games.

shit opinion

lol just learn to predict and counter complete randomness bro
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Nade Duck posted...

shit opinion

lol just learn to predict and counter complete randomness bro

Just don't get hit hurr durr

YeetingBees posted...

keyblader1985 posted...

I wonder how they would handle playing a roguelike.

Ah yes, roguelikes. My favorite competitive multiplayer games.

There's competitive Bloodbowl, I think smash can handle a bit of randomness.

it's like how in chess if someone accidentally knocks one or two of your pieces off the table while walking by you just have to keep playing cause they were knocked out.
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Nade Duck posted...

it's like how in chess if someone accidentally knocks one or two of your pieces off the table while walking by you just have to keep playing like they were knocked out legitimately.

Chess takes actual strategy.
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I'm sorry they can't play their party game without a controller with a giant, green A button to mash on.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

it's like how in chess if someone accidentally knocks one or two of your pieces off the table while walking by you just have to keep playing like they were knocked out legitimately.

Chess takes actual strategy.

so do fighting games, but you have a dumb nintendo gimmick so meh.
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Game cube controller isnt great its more of a fad that stuck the D pad is horrible the only complaint Arv has about the analog stick is that its an octagon so you really cant get a smooth 360 spin. The gimmick nub on the c stick wasnt needed the z button was too close to the L button and the fact that the a b x y buttons are all different shaped was nonsense why did the b button have to be so big and the A button so big so the push down on the A button didnt seem right unless Arv was playing a Atari game overall it was a bad controller but people usually like terrible things like fortnite and Minecraft

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If the unlikely chance I ever get good at Smash, let alone playing at a competitive level, I would never use a GameCube controller, only because I never owned a Gamecube, and having these weird unnatural buttons would just be stupid.

VioletZer0 posted...

I tested it for myself and honestly, the randomness mechanic isn't even a big deal. There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

This is just incorrect. What's a superior player going to do against a random crit?
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Nade Duck posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nade Duck posted...

it's like how in chess if someone accidentally knocks one or two of your pieces off the table while walking by you just have to keep playing like they were knocked out legitimately.

Chess takes actual strategy.

so do fighting games, but you have a dumb nintendo gimmick so meh.

Yes, actual fighting games do have strategy.
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VioletZer0 posted...

I tested it for myself and honestly, the randomness mechanic isn't even a big deal. There is no chance that an inferior player will be able to beat a superior player because they got a lucky draw. None whatsoever.

Lol

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