Board 8 > Yu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 1: SPIRIT SWORD!!!

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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:21:38 PM
#51:


Chris, let's not but heads like last game. Can I convince you to support a Lopen lynch today since Lopen advocates we not Lynch your guilty scan to let you self-resolve? Lolol. Surely it would have Lopen's blessing.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:22:16 PM
#52:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Im 100%sure chris is lying. But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet

I can't believe you 100% until you claim. Sorry.
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Lopen
08/09/19 8:22:44 PM
#53:


Corrik7 posted...
How is his role self-resolving then? With you arguing to not even Lynch his "guilty" scan.


Chris as a player is self-resolving

If town he will be shot
If scum he will play poorly
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DrPez
08/09/19 8:22:48 PM
#54:


Official Votals as of post 52

(4) Chris: Red, Lea, (Corrik), MZero, Sultan
(3) Sultan: Chris, SBell, (Ben), Gravy
(2) Scare: Lopen, Ben
(1) Lopen: Corrik
(0) Lea: (Gravy)
(0) FD: (MZero)

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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:23:12 PM
#55:


Alright so I am on a pc and my piggly wigglies are warmer now, in case anyone is wondering.

My initial thoughts on Chris' claim: obviously fake. It panders to b8 towns in general: follow the cop. But moreover, chris knows he is either doctor'd or roleblocked night 1. If he isn't killed this is the route to insinuate should he be scum.

However, really, you need to consider the "why". Why, if Chris is lying as scum, would he do this? There is no need. The game proceded with no content day 1, day 2 begins with him ahead. Him being alive means nothing. Period. Rule 1 applies later, but really, it's absolutely null.

My hypothesis is that Chris was Roleblocked straight up. He made a gambit, being a jack, claiming a very obviously false skill: un-godfather able. I straight up read that and said "wow this sounds like a gravy fake claim". Because it is a gravy fake claim. It is so incredibly fake and wrong. But you can lie for a benefit. There is no information this game so faking a scan on Sultan--i mean why the fuck not. He is the type to crack under pressure, after all.

In fact, the counter claim it could create benefits town as well. Remember my earlier posts: this game is EASILY in control for scum. There is no benefit to Chris to content create, let alone create obviously fake content if he is scum. He would be creating content that would do ANYTHING but put a bullseye on him.

Ulti was essentially policy lynched. If anyone thinks Chris, as scum, is afraid of taking "credit" for lynching the town tracker, you are absolutely not reading the situation correctly. One hundred percent. I forget the saying. Analyze the situation. I will be floored if Chris is scum and making all of these bad plays. Yes i have a high opinion of Chris--many do, but think logically.

Scum Chris does the following:

Suggests a day 1 lynch on Ulti.
Ulti, not complicit with a scum gameplan says "lol u wont im power"
The game lynches him
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Night occurs. One kill happens. Vanilla flips, no second kill. No janitor. Nothing.
He then uses b8 follow the cop meta, implicating sultan to be scum
--This claim is because chris feels he is "rule 1-able" (??) i guess? like what? its day fucking two. So he thinks he is going to be rule 1'd and lead a policy lynch onto town tracker.

If chris is scum and does this day 1, he will have a gameplan day 2 for it. And instead we get this disjointed mess? No fucking way.

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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:23:41 PM
#56:


Lopen posted...
Corrik7 posted...
How is his role self-resolving then? With you arguing to not even Lynch his "guilty" scan.


Chris as a player is self-resolving

If town he will be shot
If scum he will play poorly

Why would they shoot Chris if his flip damns their teammate. For all you know, that's the scum roleblocker sitting there.

Your logic makes no fucking sense at all. You contradicted your own logic then tried to make it make sense with some hella nonsense.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:25:06 PM
#57:


greengravy294 posted...
Alright so I am on a pc and my piggly wigglies are warmer now, in case anyone is wondering.

My initial thoughts on Chris' claim: obviously fake. It panders to b8 towns in general: follow the cop. But moreover, chris knows he is either doctor'd or roleblocked night 1. If he isn't killed this is the route to insinuate should he be scum.

However, really, you need to consider the "why". Why, if Chris is lying as scum, would he do this? There is no need. The game proceded with no content day 1, day 2 begins with him ahead. Him being alive means nothing. Period. Rule 1 applies later, but really, it's absolutely null.

My hypothesis is that Chris was Roleblocked straight up. He made a gambit, being a jack, claiming a very obviously false skill: un-godfather able. I straight up read that and said "wow this sounds like a gravy fake claim". Because it is a gravy fake claim. It is so incredibly fake and wrong. But you can lie for a benefit. There is no information this game so faking a scan on Sultan--i mean why the fuck not. He is the type to crack under pressure, after all.

In fact, the counter claim it could create benefits town as well. Remember my earlier posts: this game is EASILY in control for scum. There is no benefit to Chris to content create, let alone create obviously fake content if he is scum. He would be creating content that would do ANYTHING but put a bullseye on him.

Ulti was essentially policy lynched. If anyone thinks Chris, as scum, is afraid of taking "credit" for lynching the town tracker, you are absolutely not reading the situation correctly. One hundred percent. I forget the saying. Analyze the situation. I will be floored if Chris is scum and making all of these bad plays. Yes i have a high opinion of Chris--many do, but think logically.

Scum Chris does the following:

Suggests a day 1 lynch on Ulti.
Ulti, not complicit with a scum gameplan says "lol u wont im power"
The game lynches him
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Night occurs. One kill happens. Vanilla flips, no second kill. No janitor. Nothing.
He then uses b8 follow the cop meta, implicating sultan to be scum
--This claim is because chris feels he is "rule 1-able" (??) i guess? like what? its day fucking two. So he thinks he is going to be rule 1'd and lead a policy lynch onto town tracker.

If chris is scum and does this day 1, he will have a gameplan day 2 for it. And instead we get this disjointed mess? No fucking way.

Do you have any non-Chris thoughts? You seem fixated.
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TheSultanOfSlam
08/09/19 8:26:20 PM
#58:


Hey chris why dont you claim buddy?
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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:26:35 PM
#59:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:26:57 PM
#60:


Nothing has occurred that Chris has not perpetrated. I have not read Day 1 outside of my daily interactions. Why should I speak about anything that isn't about him. But if you will look, I have placed another vote. So yes, I have other thoughts. No one has asked me, so I haven't divulged them.

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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:27:17 PM
#61:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Hey chris why dont you claim buddy?

He did...
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Lopen
08/09/19 8:27:35 PM
#62:


Chris will be killed because scum doesn't value their one random scummate over getting town Chris out of the game. Sultan ain't exactly some power player that's lasting till endgame if he's scum.

Especially since Chris can be lying about any element of his role as town.
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TheSultanOfSlam
08/09/19 8:27:39 PM
#63:


Corrik7 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Hey chris why dont you claim buddy?

He did...

Yeah i dont by the fake claim
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DoomTheGyarados
08/09/19 8:27:49 PM
#64:


Corrik7 posted...
Chris, let's not but heads like last game. Can I convince you to support a Lopen lynch today since Lopen advocates we not Lynch your guilty scan to let you self-resolve? Lolol. Surely it would have Lopen's blessing.


Ergh okay but only because Lopen clearly messed up, I really did scan Sultan scum.

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##Vote: Lopen

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IfGodCouldDie
08/09/19 8:28:11 PM
#65:


My biggest issue with Chris right now, is after the Ulti lynch and if we lynch Sultan, that's two mislynches in the first two days of the game, if this is a gambit by him. He is acting like he wouldn't waste this attempt on a player like Sultan, but Sultan is a player that is expendable enough that i don't think a lot of players would really question it. Scum can use their night kills to kill the players they want dead, getting town to easily mislynch is better strat then trying to fight through players that would put up a coherent fight against this kind of play.
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TheSultanOfSlam
08/09/19 8:28:44 PM
#66:


Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?


He isnt really doing anything his reasoning for jumping on the train from what ive seen was non existant if i had to put money on who was scum in the horrible train on Ulti it would he Bro
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DoomTheGyarados
08/09/19 8:29:04 PM
#67:


God if I wanted to murder Sultan there are surely easier ways than this.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:29:24 PM
#68:


Lopen posted...
Chris will be killed because scum doesn't value their one random scummate over getting town Chris out of the game. Sultan ain't exactly some power player that's lasting till endgame if he's scum.

Especially since Chris can be lying about any element of his role as town.

Lopen, I know you can't now, but I deserve that pat on the back after the game for pegging you. Tough luck, bud. It happens.

You can claim if you want, but I dont think it is gonna help you.
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:29:37 PM
#69:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
this is a gambit by him.
This assumes that Scum Chris forces town to lynch Ulti day 1

which uh, he doesn't, it had the blessing of the game tbqh

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Lopen
08/09/19 8:29:46 PM
#70:


How did I mess up there is nothing inconsistent about how I'm approaching the claim vs other ones. If anything Corrik wanting to lynch a power claim is more inconsistent, cause we all gotta play the same every game.
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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:29:54 PM
#71:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?


He isnt really doing anything his reasoning for jumping on the train from what ive seen was non existant if i had to put money on who was scum in the horrible train on Ulti it would he Bro


But... No one jumped on Ulti cause they actually thought he was scum, they did it to do it. Why single out brobutt?
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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:30:29 PM
#72:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
God if I wanted to murder Sultan there are surely easier ways than this.


He's not wrong.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:30:53 PM
#73:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Chris, let's not but heads like last game. Can I convince you to support a Lopen lynch today since Lopen advocates we not Lynch your guilty scan to let you self-resolve? Lolol. Surely it would have Lopen's blessing.


Ergh okay but only because Lopen clearly messed up, I really did scan Sultan scum.

##unvote: Sultan
##Vote: Lopen

If you wanna stand by it, we should Lynch sultan first. Confirming your fakeclaim as real... Lol has more value than lopen right now. He is going nowhere either. But, if you are lying, you are derailing a sure scum Lynch in lopen. How do you wish to proceed?
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:30:58 PM
#74:


Obellisk posted...
He's not wrong.
no shit

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DoomTheGyarados
08/09/19 8:31:26 PM
#75:


Corrik7 posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Chris, let's not but heads like last game. Can I convince you to support a Lopen lynch today since Lopen advocates we not Lynch your guilty scan to let you self-resolve? Lolol. Surely it would have Lopen's blessing.


Ergh okay but only because Lopen clearly messed up, I really did scan Sultan scum.

##unvote: Sultan
##Vote: Lopen

If you wanna stand by it, we should Lynch sultan first. Confirming your fakeclaim as real... Lol has more value than lopen right now. He is going nowhere either. But, if you are lying, you are derailing a sure scum Lynch in lopen. How do you wish to proceed?


##unvote: Lopen
##vote: Sultan


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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:32:07 PM
#76:


Very well.

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##vote: Sultan

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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:32:28 PM
#77:


What's this? Corrik and Yoko Kurama are working together now. It's a tag team fight and Lopen is on the receiving end!
Grab your popcorn folks.
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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:32:59 PM
#78:


Strike that. Their attention has turned to Sultan yet again.

Its quite a turn of events
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TheSultanOfSlam
08/09/19 8:33:30 PM
#79:


Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?


He isnt really doing anything his reasoning for jumping on the train from what ive seen was non existant if i had to put money on who was scum in the horrible train on Ulti it would he Bro


But... No one jumped on Ulti cause they actually thought he was scum, they did it to do it. Why single out brobutt?


Well it could definitely be because he is newer player? But i feel like his in particular was just bad..

But sbell i definitely think youre town this game so i like that you are actually askkng me questions i feel its very helpful for me anyways
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:33:40 PM
#80:


its almost like two dudes fake claim counter claiming themselves would actually come to a ceasefire "lol"

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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:33:55 PM
#81:


Ok kids, I got house guest coming tomorrow. I gots the cleaning to do. Try not to hammer anyone while I'm gone.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:34:00 PM
#82:


Chris, what flavor did you claim again?
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DoomTheGyarados
08/09/19 8:34:35 PM
#83:


Kurama
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Obellisk
08/09/19 8:34:37 PM
#84:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?


He isnt really doing anything his reasoning for jumping on the train from what ive seen was non existant if i had to put money on who was scum in the horrible train on Ulti it would he Bro


But... No one jumped on Ulti cause they actually thought he was scum, they did it to do it. Why single out brobutt?


Well it could definitely be because he is newer player? But i feel like his in particular was just bad..

But sbell i definitely think youre town this game so i like that you are actually askkng me questions i feel its very helpful for me anyways


Thanks Sultan. But brollypolly is not new.
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Lopen
08/09/19 8:34:48 PM
#85:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
My biggest issue with Chris right now, is after the Ulti lynch and if we lynch Sultan, that's two mislynches in the first two days of the game, if this is a gambit by him


This is likely what Chris is doing as scum yes, if he is scum. Trying to get as many mislynches before town inevitably policy lynches him for "being alive too long."

And him jumping to me off not much when he "has a scan" on his lynch seems like a dude trying to double down on mislynches by any means possible. Just let him continue to play at this rate he'll be obvscum by the end of the day anyway
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TheSultanOfSlam
08/09/19 8:35:29 PM
#86:


Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Obellisk posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
But if you want to lynch someone else. I say Brohan is probably our best bet


Why Brohan?


He isnt really doing anything his reasoning for jumping on the train from what ive seen was non existant if i had to put money on who was scum in the horrible train on Ulti it would he Bro


But... No one jumped on Ulti cause they actually thought he was scum, they did it to do it. Why single out brobutt?


Well it could definitely be because he is newer player? But i feel like his in particular was just bad..

But sbell i definitely think youre town this game so i like that you are actually askkng me questions i feel its very helpful for me anyways


Thanks Sultan. But brollypolly is not new.


Okay then yeah my thoughts is Brosph is scum then no excuses then? Ive never played with Bronanna so idk if he is always that vague?
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:35:58 PM
#87:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Kurama

Interesting okay.
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IfGodCouldDie
08/09/19 8:37:52 PM
#88:


greengravy294 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
this is a gambit by him.
This assumes that Scum Chris forces town to lynch Ulti day 1

which uh, he doesn't, it had the blessing of the game tbqh

No it doesn't. It assumes that he is making a gambit to burn another mislynch, not necessarily that he made a gambit for both mislynches. If he is concerned about being lynched tomorrow for being alive, then why not try and get at least another town mislynched before getting lynched himself.
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08/09/19 8:38:23 PM
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:39:09 PM
#90:


For a second there, I thought you claimed my flavor too, Chris.
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:39:44 PM
#91:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
No it doesn't. It assumes that he is making a gambit to burn another mislynch, not necessarily that he made a gambit for both mislynches. If he is concerned about being lynched tomorrow for being alive, then why not try and get at least another town mislynched before getting lynched himself.
Because he does not need to endanger his game with a bogus claim when he could just not claim and let town hang itself.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/09/19 8:41:27 PM
#92:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
God if I wanted to murder Sultan there are surely easier ways than this.

Sure, but if you know you're going to be lynched eventually why do you care how the mislynch happens?
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greengravy294
08/09/19 8:42:24 PM
#93:


Scum is in the drivers seat. Trading your life for Sultan????????

????????

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Lopen
08/09/19 8:43:01 PM
#94:


greengravy294 posted...
Because he does not need to endanger his game with a bogus claim when he could just not claim and let town hang itself.


Depends

Maybe the winds are pointing towards a scum lynch without his intervention

I say lynch Scare and am the only one really pushing for a lynch that isn't based on Chris's fake scan.

Say Scare is scum and I'm night killed tonight. No one will remember I said Scare is scum tomorrow and maybe he'll recover from Blade's bad play by then. Meanwhile Chris is already looking like a good lynch cause he ain't dead and it's deep into the game, already day THREE
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:44:15 PM
#95:


There is literally no reason to Lynch Scare.
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Forceful_Dragon
08/09/19 8:45:47 PM
#96:


I really don't think blade came off looking scummy during day 1.

And I'm trying not to meta the fact the he replaced out, but the picture I'm seeing does not paint him in a scummy light.

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Lopen
08/09/19 8:46:06 PM
#97:


Like Chris as scum absolutely wants to maximize chaos as quickly as he can because he can't reasonably escape a lynch

Claiming so early in the day not only pushes a bad lynch but also stifles discussion for that day as town is playing follow the cop

Don't buy a town Chris claiming so early. He's smart enough to know it's a poor way to play a power role. As such we should ignore the claim and maybe lynch him at the end of the day if no other good options present themselves
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IfGodCouldDie
08/09/19 8:46:35 PM
#98:


greengravy294 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
No it doesn't. It assumes that he is making a gambit to burn another mislynch, not necessarily that he made a gambit for both mislynches. If he is concerned about being lynched tomorrow for being alive, then why not try and get at least another town mislynched before getting lynched himself.
Because he does not need to endanger his game with a bogus claim when he could just not claim and let town hang itself.

What game? He gets killed by scum or lynched for being alive too long. This is a way to get another mislynch before he gets lynched.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:46:39 PM
#99:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I really don't think blade came off looking scummy during day 1.

And I'm trying not to meta the fact the he replaced out, but the picture I'm seeing does not paint him in a scummy light.

Blade looked super town day 1 tbqh.
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Corrik7
08/09/19 8:47:13 PM
#100:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
greengravy294 posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
No it doesn't. It assumes that he is making a gambit to burn another mislynch, not necessarily that he made a gambit for both mislynches. If he is concerned about being lynched tomorrow for being alive, then why not try and get at least another town mislynched before getting lynched himself.
Because he does not need to endanger his game with a bogus claim when he could just not claim and let town hang itself.

What game? He gets killed by scum or lynched for being alive too long. This is a way to get another mislynch before he gets lynched.

I left Chris alive to like day 5 last time I was scum tbqh.
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