Board 8 > Shooting in El Paso, looks like 20 dead

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001

Figured there'd be a topic already but I don't see any

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There was no way we could prevent this
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Sending my thoughts and prayers.
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Another white supremacist young man radicalized online into becoming a terrorist and given easy access to weapons.

Obviously we need to arrest antifa.

Why would you tag this live event?

Also, sad to hear.

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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

There was no way we could prevent this

Shaduln posted...

Sending my thoughts and prayers.

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why aren't we referring to these people as terrorists already?
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

There was no way we could prevent this

I don't know, there sure is a lot of anti-Hispanic sentiment in this country over the last 3 years. Maybe less talk like that could have been an influence. Maybe not but somehow I doubt it helped.
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v_charon posted...

I don't know, there sure is a lot of anti-Hispanic sentiment in this country over the last 3 years. Maybe less talk like that could have been an influence. Maybe not but somehow I doubt it helped.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

Snrkiko posted...

why aren't we referring to these people as terrorists already?

If they had a political message then they are one.

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Corrik7 posted...

Why would you tag this live event?

at the time I thought it was more recent

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https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/

What is with this posting manifestos/going to 8chan and 4chan prior to doing / after doing these things. Craziness.

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Reg posted...

v_charon posted...

I don't know, there sure is a lot of anti-Hispanic sentiment in this country over the last 3 years. Maybe less talk like that could have been an influence. Maybe not but somehow I doubt it helped.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

When it's a "terrorism" we as Americans feel we can defeat, we declare a war on it and recognize figureheads and leaders of such groups should be held accountable. When it's a case of a person such as this, we dismiss it as a lone wolf attack that there "was nothing we could do about it". Second time this week a mass shooting has presumably taken place at the hands of a person influenced by these sorts of groups we all like to ignore.
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v_charon posted...

Reg posted...

v_charon posted...

I don't know, there sure is a lot of anti-Hispanic sentiment in this country over the last 3 years. Maybe less talk like that could have been an influence. Maybe not but somehow I doubt it helped.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

When it's a "terrorism" we as Americans feel we can defeat, we declare a war on it and recognize figureheads and leaders of such groups should be held accountable. When it's a case of a person such as this, we dismiss it as a lone wolf attack that there "was nothing we could do about it". Second time this week a mass shooting has presumably taken place at the hands of a person influenced by these sorts of groups we all like to ignore.

Hard to do anything about it directly when one of the people stoking this is the President of the United States

guns are fucking stupid
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Bring on the zombie apocalypse already.
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Shaduln posted...

Sending my thoughts and prayers.

Corrik7 posted...

What is with this posting manifestos/going to 8chan and 4chan prior to doing / after doing these things. Craziness.

Where else would they post it?
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We dont make topics about mass shootings anymore.

Also the media pushes the story early but has learned to drop coverage before the story turns to gun control.

Corrik7 posted...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/patrick-crusius/

What is with this posting manifestos/going to 8chan and 4chan prior to doing / after doing these things. Craziness.

Its almost like those places are where they are being radicalized or something
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What is with this posting manifestos/going to 8chan and 4chan prior to doing / after doing these things. Craziness.

Where else would they post it?

Because people on 4chan and similar are literally encouraging people to do more of these as they are going.

These websites are no longer a bunch of teenagers being trolls but now quite literally the scum of the earth.

Checked as this story was breaking and they were literally giving advice on how to commit bigger mass murders and how to target specific ethnic and minority groups.

Literal domestic terrorists.

White males are at it again.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Because people on 4chan and similar are literally encouraging people to do more of these as they are going.

I mean my point is they were raised on 4/8chan. It's where they were radicalized and where they built up the motivation to do this. It's not just people being opportunistic to try to troll with shock humor, it's the terrorist's actual home and support network, so of course they will post there before murder suicide.

Those boards and the internet in general does not realize how many genuinely motivated people are finding strong community and support among them. It's too easy to just think of everyone as a self-aware troll having fun, but probably over half of them have lost sense of reality vs fiction.
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Its been like ten years so the teenagers are adults now who can vote and organize and never stopped being edgy.

I worked with a high schooler who was that kinda flavor of edgy

I THINK he was mainly just doing it for attention and/or lulz but sometimes I wonder how he turned out

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4chan in the era we know it started around 2007. Remember thats now 11 years ago. So like some have said, when they were 14/15 doing habbo hotel swastika raids "for da lulz" they are now approaching 30. Mass shootings have been on a massive rise since specifically 2007, when Virginia Tech happened.

Columbine might be the "first", but there was a small gap of time between that and Virginia Tech with minimal amounts of this.

Social media anxiety manifested in a stereotypical male way.

I know grown ass people who i work with in their 40s who say crazy shit like "i delete posts on social media if they dont get likes fast enough". Not high schoolers, adults with kids who are in late elementary/early middle school.

My favorite is when people don't click off notifications tabs because they like seeing the notification number go up. Pretty much measuring their self worth in how many notifications they get.

Sad state of the world. This problem will only get worse. The government does need to do something to at least limit this though.

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better get the damn death penalty

I think it's a blend of cesspools like 4chan and the like coupled with real world validation of everything these fringe cultures have been thinking. When you see the leader of the country making outlandish remarks, I think it gives these people a sense of courage and strength. It allows them to transition from what they felt was their only safety, these communities, into the real world to do harm in the form that has been happening.

I'm not saying that Trump is necessarily "encouraging" it or even that he as a person is okay with it, but when you're a leader you have to realize that your actions and words speak volumes. You are going to inspire people to go one step further than you if you speak about radical thoughts and ideas, and I feel like that's what's happening. He can send out all the "God be with you all"'s that he wants but at the end of the day, I do feel like he's a major catalyst in all this.
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v_charon posted...

When you see the leader of the country making outlandish remarks, I think it gives these people a sense of courage and strength

This primarily happened because of social media anxiety/jealousy and how fewer and fewer people do anything outside and try and meet new people now

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Yeah if the white supremacists just met up in person I'm sure they'd be more reasonable and not violent at all
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Yeah if the white supremacists just met up in person I'm sure they'd be more reasonable and not violent at all

lots of these people are people who got sucked into a bad crowd on the internet who fucked with their heads.

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Metal_DK posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Yeah if the white supremacists just met up in person I'm sure they'd be more reasonable and not violent at all

lots of these people are people who got sucked into a bad crowd on the internet who fucked with their heads.

Lets be clear here...they didnt just get sucked in to a crowd.

They are the bad crowd.
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Metal_DK posted...

4chan in the era we know it started around 2007

No it didnt
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Anyway yeah, internet society really sucks at the fringe. This isn't going to stop any time soon either unfortunately.
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speaking of fringe...how many of our LUE offshoots went down the crazy train?

I'm afraid to look it up myself. I figure that is where GFAQs could go bad I suppose.
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red13n posted...

Metal_DK posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Yeah if the white supremacists just met up in person I'm sure they'd be more reasonable and not violent at all

lots of these people are people who got sucked into a bad crowd on the internet who f***ed with their heads.

Lets be clear here...they didnt just get sucked in to a crowd.

They are the bad crowd.

You think people are born wanting to kill minorities? These people get radicalized first and the internet is usually where it happens.
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LUE offshoots? Who cares. We have a future school shooter currently posting in Preston

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btw one of the scarier thing is that we are starting to see a change in mental state of these shooters. Many early were often just off the deep end people shooting random people and it essentially being a suicide.

Now we're starting to see angry (white) males that just hate people to the point they shoot them but surrender when confronted by law enforcement.

But yeah clearly the easiest way to deal with mass shootings is to improve mental health and not anything to do with guns lol.

(My grandpa has CNN on again, they are plugging that these people are mentally ill at every turn, 0 talk about gun access).
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KingButz posted...

You think people are born wanting to kill minorities? These people get radicalized first and the internet is usually where it happens.

I think you misinterpret. My point is they radicalized each other. I think it is too nice to them to say they just got suckered into a crowd. That is too close to making them look like victims to me.
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greengravy294 posted...

No it didnt

You better bet it did. Habbo Hotel raids, Tom Green call ins yelling the n word non stop, etc. Look up when pepe was starting to be used. Early 2008ish.

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More and more of these shootings are occurring, and I start to wonder more and more if it isn't best to just move to a... less crazy country.

It's depressing that the people in charge don't seem to really want to do anything about it. We can never talk seriously about gun control because it's "too early", but then another shooting happens. That's not even getting into the NRA who have way too much pull in politics.

Mental Health is a meme because it's only brought up by these people to deflect from guns. When we actually do try to do something about mental health, suddenly they can't afford it. Or that people should just "suck it up" and "deal with it" because people needing help are either considered weak, or ignored entirely.

Until they take drastic action, after which they'll cry crocodile tears about what they could have done to prevent that. We can't even give our vets the help they need, how the fuck are we supposed to help people who want to hurt others?

I would fucking love for it to be the best of both worlds. When we would both actually try to get people who are near the edge the help they need, while also seriously focusing on what we can do to lower gun violence.

But nothing is going to change at this rate.

Which is funny, because Americans love to pride themselves as the best. They love to boast that we can do anything.

How many "impossible" things did we do?

But when it comes to guns, suddenly we're helpless? Suddenly we're inferior to every other 1st world country?

Also shit like this is absolutely terrorism, and people trying to brush it off as "just a crazy individual" are part of the problem. You fucks rode Obama's ass for not talking about "Radical Islamic Terrorism", maybe we should start riding them for not calling this out as Domestic Terrorism.

How many bloody manifestos do we need for it to count as it from these people?
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There is now another shooting in Dayton, OH. At least 3 victims. Sounds like it was outside/around a club.

Edit: Deaths now at 10 according to Daily Dayton News.
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Another mass shooting happened tonight in Dayton, Ohio. At least 3 dead, at least a dozen injured
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mental health is an outright lie on the subject they send out to appease the public.

Because no one is calling for regular or even any sort of a mental health evaluation for gun ownership.

The only thing that can prevent you from owning a gun is having a prior mental health issue(And this doesn't always stop you in many cases).

And as we all know, mental health is volatile. You can be completely and totally sane one day, buy a gun. And then a year or two or three or ten years down the road your life goes to shit and suddenly your insane. But absolutely no one is calling for regular mental health evaluations or anything of the sort, and they shouldn't, because thats fucking outrageously expensive and a huge waste of time.

It is absolutely not an issue that can be fixed my investing in mental health(Not without bankrupting literally everyone) but people continue to bring it up because they like the dollars the gun lobby will throw their way(Or fear what they will throw to their opponents).
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at least 9 dead and 16 injured in Ohio. 3 mass shootings in about a week. Fun times we live in.
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I just don't get the manifesto thing. Crazy people are gonna do crazy stuff if given the opportunity. But, directly leaving manifestos first is like a step beyond. Even the antifa guy who was trying to firebomb an ICE facility left a manifesto first (which ResetERA posted and many praised him as a hero for).

I just don't get the "hey, I am gonna do this atrocious act and leave whatever regarding it to the public". It makes me think this has come down to attention seeking and trying to leave their mark on society moreso than mental health at this point.

And, I don't know how it stops with the internet and media where it is now.

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Psychopaths encourage psychopaths, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're mainly to encourage more shootings.

Of course, people may also have a martyr complex. Those people who feel like the Jews or whatnot are trying to replace them so they "heroically" stand up to them.

They're deluded, of course. Unfortunately fools also encourage fools, and these happen to be violently foolish. Or perhaps "foolish" is too light a word for outright hatred.

It's meant to get attention, and just look at how many people fall for the trap by trying to talk about it. Trying to dissect the meaning behind it. People who gleefully forget the victims in order to better understand these people, out of morbid curiosity.

But yeah, it has very little to do with "mental health". Outside of the standard lack of empathy needed to kill innocent people.
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Metal_DK posted...

You better bet it did. Habbo Hotel raids, Tom Green call ins yelling the n word non stop, etc. Look up when pepe was starting to be used. Early 2008ish.

i think he meant "it didn't literally start around 2007" (because 4chan started in 2003).
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Metal_DK posted...

greengravy294 posted...

No it didnt

You better bet it did. Habbo Hotel raids, Tom Green call ins yelling the n word non stop, etc. Look up when pepe was starting to be used. Early 2008ish.

Considering I frequented /b/ in 2006 (or maybe even 2005), no, the Habbo Hotel raids were far before 2008.
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