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SiO4
07/22/19 10:25:52 PM
#101:


Steve Nick posted...
My personal theory is that women don't need to interact with as wide a pool of men anymore because they can just get their kicks on social media or tinder. They get all the attention they need there. It's an addiction.

They don't need that random dude that sits near them in class, if they can go online and get 500 'likes' or find someone on a dating app


I can't believe it took so long for someone to say that. I agree.
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Esrac
07/22/19 10:26:18 PM
#102:


The Admiral posted...
Esrac posted...
What I mean is, if my wife and I did divorce or something, I may be in trouble because I don't really know how to successfully hit on women anymore. I've been out of that game for so long and I don't really know how to relate to women who are ten years younger than me.


It's a skill, like anything else, and it improves with practice. I assume since you're married you at least have an average ability to talk with women. That's a big part of it -- you don't need crazy game or stupid moves, you need to know how to interact, listen, and come across as a confident guy. You get more of a pass for any shortcomings as physicality improves (being tall, in shape, good looking), but you don't need to be hot to get laid.

The hardest part, IMO, is knowing when you're getting a green light to be aggressive and when you should try to make your move. That's a bit more of an art and takes some practice.


Yeah, I can talk to women like they're human beings. Though I generally don't have much to talk about that isn't related to work or family, so I'm not the most interesting person to talk to.

Ha. I feel like an old fogey when they start talking about snap chats and they use slang that I'm a generation removed from.
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Prismsblade
07/22/19 10:31:04 PM
#103:


Twin3Turbo posted...
Well that's also a point I'm making. The fact that women now are doing so well in comparison to men in addition to having it ingrained in them that a man is supposed to take care of them....those two factors lead to a lot of women being breadwinners, making more money than men, and not wanting to date guys that make less than them. Those guys making 40k today would have had less issues scooping up a woman back in the days where women didn't work or didn't make as much money. But now that women are making 60k, 70k and up, those 40k guys don't cut it for them any more. I agree that those women should probably be at least a little more open to the idea of marrying down, but chances are, they are going to at least feel like on some level that they are taking care of him. But they have it ingrained that it should be the other way around.

Your forgetting one of the most important aspects of womanhood and why hypergamy exist within them which is motherhood. Woman are completely vulnerable while pregnant so naturally they desired well off and strong man to protect, care, and provide for them. Which naturally led to their suppostive and child raising role throughout history, not societal norms.

I told you earlier it's usually the woman with more of a issue with their man earning less, at least enough so to end the relationship. Well if pregnant(or they want to be) how much sense does it make for them to be caring for the man? How can most woman rely on a man who isnt at least on her lv when kids enter the picture?

This is why due to hypergamy most woman refuse to marry down, weather they realize it or not. Yes these relationships work...sometimes, but generally they dont last.

As such theres nothing we can do for guys under 30 not getting laid other then to legalize prostitution. But I doubt we're see a politician with will enough for that in our lifetime sadly.
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Aloner
07/22/19 10:39:36 PM
#104:


Prismsblade posted...
As such theres nothing we can do for guys under 30 not getting laid other then to legalize prostitution.

AI and sexbots could also be a solution. I don't on a personal level believe in prostitution, but I would be interested in any passable virtual simulation possible of having a girlfriend.
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AlephZero
07/22/19 10:42:17 PM
#105:


sexbots are degrading to women
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Aloner
07/22/19 10:57:23 PM
#106:


AlephZero posted...
sexbots are degrading to women

People bitching about being incel all the time is also degrading to women, but also dangerous on top of it when the men get violent. Gotta pick a lesser evil. Some dudes have no options for companionship beyond artificial structures.
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Ivany2008
07/22/19 11:12:17 PM
#107:


There is a lot pressure on people these days especially with the introduction of dating apps. Both sides of the coin get overwhelmed and broken by assholes and whatnot, and it turns them unable to trust.

By the time the good kids get a chance to enter the pool they are pretty much screwed from the get-go.
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Keith_Valentine
07/22/19 11:13:05 PM
#108:


Sexbots are stupid except for desperate cases. And lots of guys arent as undesirable as they think and act. Theres some good stuff itt, like jedisamurai posts. And Offworlder said, men are taught to act a way by society that is opposite of what women actually respond to. Remember that book fight club about how your dad is like God and we are a generation of men raised by women? That shit was true. We are trying to be men in a society where raw masculinity is threatening and 'toxic' even though everyone naturally responds to it.

Trump could legalize prostitution and go down as the greatest president ever. Make Pussy Great Again. They want it, we want it. Dont put the pussy on a pedestal guys. My buddy told me in high school. Imagine the hottest girl ever... Taking a shit. Brings em right down to earth.
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Zodd3224
07/22/19 11:15:53 PM
#109:


I dont get it. If I was single I would bang a new woman each week. You guys got it so easy with the internet these days.
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Aloner
07/22/19 11:19:46 PM
#110:


Keith_Valentine posted...
And lots of guys arent as undesirable as they think and act. Theres some good stuff itt, like jedisamurai posts. And Offworlder said, men are taught to act a way by society that is opposite of what women actually respond to. Remember that book fight club about how your dad is like God and we are a generation of men raised by women? That shit was true. We are trying to be men in a society where raw masculinity is threatening and 'toxic' even though everyone naturally responds to it.

But the damage is already done.

I cannot randomly become a masculine dudebro in my 20s. I was raised to be considerate and appreciative towards women to a fault. Prostitution is out of the question for most guys with that mindset, as is numbers game'ing a bunch of women who may not want to be bothered as far as you know.
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DarthAragorn
07/22/19 11:20:00 PM
#111:


Keith_Valentine posted...
And lots of guys arent as undesirable as they think and act.

lol
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Aloner
07/22/19 11:22:38 PM
#113:


Zodd3224 posted...
I dont get it. If I was single I would bang a new woman each week. You guys got it so easy with the internet these days.

It was explained that the internet puts us less desirable men in more direct competition with more desirable men.

Back in the day we would've been able to rely more on being some of the only men within a one mile radius to a specific woman. We had the proximity advantage back then. Now men across the city can court her, through the internet, and we fade out by comparison.
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Politics
07/22/19 11:36:52 PM
#114:


Honestly I got laid a lot in college but I don't get as much tail now. Part of the problem I've been having is women are turned off by the fact that I usually work retail/fast food. I have a BA but I went to a liberal arts college and majored in Political Science so obviously I'm not making money. I'm working on my Masters degree now and I'm hoping I'll have a better job sometime next year. Anyway I just think a lot of women are looking for rich successful guys but we are all broke because the economy sucks right now.
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jedisamurai
07/22/19 11:45:17 PM
#115:


Aloner posted...
But the damage is already done.

I cannot randomly become a masculine dudebro in my 20s. I was raised to be considerate and appreciative towards women to a fault. Prostitution is out of the question for most guys with that mindset, as is numbers game'ing a bunch of women who may not want to be bothered as far as you know.


Youre treating this like a zero-sum game when it's not. You can be respectful and appreciative AND assertive and self-confident in yourself..it doesn't have to be one or the other.

This is about attitude...which is why I have to call bullshit on your inability to change your attitude. If this were another topic, like gays, and someone said "well, I was raised to dislike gays and they're freaks, thats how I was taught, I cant just randomly change my attitude," you would CRUCIFY that person for being so close-minded and so would everybody else. There is no way in hell you would except that excuse to not change.
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darkphoenix181
07/22/19 11:47:29 PM
#116:


video games

streaming services

endless memes

that is all
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Aloner
07/23/19 12:03:05 AM
#117:


jedisamurai posted...
Youre treating this like a zero-sum game when it's not. You can be respectful and appreciative AND assertive and self-confident in yourself..it doesn't have to be one or the other.

Probably requires a high level of social skill.

jedisamurai posted...
This is about attitude...which is why I have to call bullshit on your inability to change your attitude. If this were another topic, like gays, and someone said "well, I was raised to dislike gays and they're freaks, thats how I was taught, I cant just randomly change my attitude," you would CRUCIFY that person for being so close-minded and so would everybody else. There is no way in hell you would except that excuse to not change.

I would just say that's unfortunate and that he should work on acceptance of lifestyles that don't effect him or hurt anyone, while taking care not to let his feelings manifest in aggressive real life behavior. It's not hard to keep to yourself and avoid conflict, which is all that needs to be asked of that man.

This is the opposite, I am already conditioned to keep to myself and avoid potential conflict, but all of a sudden that's a flawed perspective because of various circumstances.
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inloveanddeath0
07/23/19 12:07:29 AM
#118:


HairyThotter posted...
Couldn't obesity have something to do with this too? It's pretty rampant in 1st world countries and doesn't exactly help anyone get turned on lol

It's almost as if personality doesn't matter these days
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SSMajinVegeta2
07/23/19 12:58:35 AM
#119:


s0nicfan posted...
Obesity diminishes sex drive.


@s0nicfan isnt like 65% of America overweight? Im sure it doesnt help
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SSMajinVegeta2
07/23/19 1:03:29 AM
#120:


Honestly it probably has a lot to do with expectations and lots with trying to be something youre not. Too many people dont know how to play on their strengths and then get butthurt when the guy or girl doesnt like them for being fake.

Be yourself. Be honest. Try to get better in the areas youre not great in. Small steps each day.
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F1areaGaman
07/23/19 1:27:33 AM
#121:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
Aloner posted...
Are people still gonna deny that there's a modern social problem that's ruining mating prospects for a sizable portion of people?

It's technically not a social problem because mating isn't necessary


Why do people think like this? For the advancement of our species it is the only thing that is NECESSARY. People who will be responsible parents should be the ones ****ing.

It's not a social problem why the heck do you think like this? EXPLAIN
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legendarylemur
07/23/19 1:32:26 AM
#122:


SiO4 posted...
LOL This reminds me of this classic.

https://local.theonion.com/rise-in-teen-sexual-activity-comes-as-surprise-to-area-1819567037

Fucking lmfao I love how the guy is so incredulous at every single little study reveal
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Giblet_Enjoyer
07/23/19 1:40:37 AM
#123:


WaterLink posted...
That bit about the average man and the average women and the Chad dick might be true after all

It's truer than you might think.

Hvcbgan

Most women find the vast majority of men to be below average looking.
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teepan95
07/23/19 1:50:04 AM
#124:


Zodd3224 posted...
I dont get it. If I was single I would bang a new woman each week. You guys got it so easy with the internet these days.

teach me your ways
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Darmik
07/23/19 1:50:29 AM
#125:


I don't think any Western countries have an issue with birth rates do they?

I mean that keeps in mind that even people in relationships are having less kids later in life.
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ssjevot
07/23/19 2:00:17 AM
#126:


Darmik posted...
I don't think any Western countries have an issue with birth rates do they?

I mean that keeps in mind that even people in relationships are having less kids later in life.


Every Western country has below replacement level birth rates.
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donkeyjack
07/23/19 2:11:16 AM
#127:


Living at home doesn't mean anything. Idk what you guys are talking about?

Also, online dating didn't ruin anything at all. You can still talk to women out here. They are women against the #MeToo movement.
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party_animal07
07/23/19 2:29:51 AM
#128:


thrashmetal14 posted...
Why make the effort to bang a human being when you could just beat your meat to online porn?

I honestly feel like this has a bit to do with it. It's not just porn, but it's one of the things killing young males' desire to find a mate.
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untrustful
07/23/19 3:04:09 AM
#129:


s0nicfan posted...
Obesity diminishes sex drive.

Along with pollution and hereditary problems.

Something is wrong here, but it's not the fault of feminism or liberalism. Nowhere in any educational material or public material will you find "don't be with a man, subjugate him."
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untrustful
07/23/19 3:05:01 AM
#130:


Oh and how could I forget salary and wages. Lowest ever in history as well.
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 3:13:33 AM
#131:


Perhaps Male 4s and 5s should just shut the fuck up and settle for female 3s and 4s. There are plenty of those types of women who wouldn't mind being with an average man.
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pres_madagascar
07/23/19 3:16:16 AM
#132:


I can get sex, I usually do once a year or so. Thing is, dating and relationships are expensive. I simply do not have the money to be in a relationship. My finances went ape shit and I am restructuring myself. I'm 32, the only women I can get to sleep with me are 20-23 ususlly, because they don't know any better yet. Women my own age often are doing far better than I am and thus have no need of me since I'm not super attractive.

All my friends are women too lol.
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TheBlueMonk_
07/23/19 3:16:59 AM
#134:


i had sex yesterday.
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ssjevot
07/23/19 3:17:15 AM
#135:


There has been no point in human history where men were as likely to reproduce as females, and at times it was as far as 17 women reproducing for every man. We had a period of unprecedented male reproductive success (approaching parity in some parts of the world), so it makes sense that we are returning more toward the more natural state of things. Cultural forces trying to make women settle for men they aren't attracted to are only as effective as the strength of their enforcement.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success
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Aloner
07/23/19 4:42:05 AM
#136:


lydiaquayle posted...
Perhaps Male 4s and 5s should just shut the fuck up and settle for female 3s and 4s. There are plenty of those types of women who wouldn't mind being with an average man.

So we've flipped, and men are now more harshly judged for their looks than women? I hope our rhetorics update to reflect that.

Also how much work just to settle? You really have to go out and initiate the whole courtship process just to get with a worse looking partner? Those women should be at the better looking dudes' doorsteps tbh.

But all this aside, the standards are such that you can't really date down like this as a mediocre man anyway. Female 3s and 4s can snag male 6s and 7s.
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EnragedSlith
07/23/19 6:03:18 AM
#138:


Its an easy problem to fix but requires that you put in a modicum of effort. Ive never had an issue since doing that.

Edit: oh, and this whole thing about there being a power imbalance is ridiculous. I pull attractive women just fine by conveying attractiveness myself. Its really just an excuse to rationalize your own insecurities when you could just turn inward and work on being someone of sexual value. Thats all it takes.
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gunplagirl
07/23/19 6:12:47 AM
#139:


Lots of salty guys in here xD
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knutjob
07/23/19 6:24:33 AM
#140:


Loads of guys seem to be stuck in the mentality that women should need you when they should be focussing on finding ways to make women want you.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
07/23/19 6:34:56 AM
#141:


Aloner posted...
Some dudes have no options for companionship beyond artificial structures.


That's assuming they can even afford such a thing, as I imagine the first generations of sexbots are not going to be cheap. Hell, even the option of VR porn games is still out of some guys' price range.
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 9:23:09 AM
#142:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
Being with someone you have no attraction towards is a recipe for disaster and would simply contribute to increasing divorce rates.

And yet women have been doing for 20000 years .
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/19 9:24:16 AM
#143:


Sounds like Japan
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Tyranthraxus
07/23/19 9:47:25 AM
#144:


lydiaquayle posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
Being with someone you have no attraction towards is a recipe for disaster and would simply contribute to increasing divorce rates.

And yet women have been doing for 20000 years .

You mean women have been forced into it for 20000 years and weren't allowed to divorce except if the husband abandoned her or died.
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Unite
07/23/19 10:03:03 AM
#145:


With women only wanting chads , its not really surprising
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 10:05:26 AM
#146:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You mean women have been forced into it for 20000 years and weren't allowed to divorce except if the husband abandoned her or died.

Exactly.
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averagejoel
07/23/19 10:05:46 AM
#147:


Aloner posted...
MedeaLysistrata posted...
Aloner posted...
Are people still gonna deny that there's a modern social problem that's ruining mating prospects for a sizable portion of people?

It's technically not a social problem because mating isn't necessary

It's studied to be strongly linked to mental health.

I mean, you don't NEED anything but the bare minimum shelter, food, water, and sleep, but people still complain when more secondary things are denied to them (especially at disproportionate rates compared to other people).

correction: they're not entitled to another person's body in the first place, therefore they are not being denied it
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Aloner
07/23/19 2:04:36 PM
#149:


Conflict posted...
It's honestly comical how you keep talking about "courtship" and "approaching" like it's some kind of difficult, exhausting process that men have to endure. Earlier you said "I gotta know how to cook and clean on TOP of having to walk up to a woman and talk to her?". It's not that difficult my guy

Depends on the person. If you are a combination of not physically attractive and not naturally assertive then it's torture.

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Aloner posted...
Some dudes have no options for companionship beyond artificial structures.


That's assuming they can even afford such a thing, as I imagine the first generations of sexbots are not going to be cheap. Hell, even the option of VR porn games is still out of some guys' price range.

That's true. But at least money is something that can be worked towards concretely. If I maintain employment for long enough and keep earnings in reserve then I could eventually afford those things. Even if I never make enough it's at least a feasible goal to work towards.

averagejoel posted...
correction: they're not entitled to another person's body in the first place, therefore they are not being denied it

I'm not entitled to a 4K TV, but I'm denied one by virtue of the fact that I can't afford one. Whether you're entitled to something or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's denied to you. >_>

People aren't entitled to a lot of things but still complain when they get less than others, is my point. No reason to make an exception for social benefits.

lydiaquayle posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
Being with someone you have no attraction towards is a recipe for disaster and would simply contribute to increasing divorce rates.

And yet women have been doing for 20000 years .

In first-world countries, not anymore. We never benefited from arranged marriages, so we shouldn't be punished for them either.
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The Admiral
07/23/19 3:01:20 PM
#150:


Aloner posted...
People aren't entitled to a lot of things but still complain when they get less than others, is my point. No reason to make an exception for social benefits.


That was funny reading joel lecture you on entitlement, given that he's a communist and believes he's entitled to the money of people who earn more than he does.
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