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ledbowman 07/18/19 6:54:26 PM #102:	Broseph_Stalin posted... darkjedilink posted... Again, AOC's own former employer closed up shop. Every fast food restaurant will either have to raise prices or close. I know, because I've seen the balance sheet. What a spectacular rebuttal to a mountain of evidence. You are a logical fallacy in human form. No he's not. He's trolling and yall are letting him work you. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:924872552] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Again, AOC's own former employer closed up shop. Every fast food restaurant will either have to raise prices or close. I know, because I've seen the balance sheet.</quote> What a spectacular rebuttal to a mountain of evidence. You are a logical fallacy in human form.</quote> No he's not. He's trolling and yall are letting him work you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/18/19 6:59:06 PM #103:	https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924872740] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/18/19 7:05:25 PM #104:	Antifar posted... https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7 I (sort of) worked for this guy when I did my internship in DC. I only met him once --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924873012] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7</quote> I (sort of) worked for this guy when I did my internship in DC. I only met him once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 07/18/19 7:07:26 PM #105:	DevsBro posted... Question, how exactly does raising minimum wage not pose a problem for businesses and customers? Currently they bring in $x/day and pay out $y/day. They survive because y < x. If x stays the same (not a problem for customers), what is basis of the assumption that y can increase by up to 100% and still remain lower than x, in every case or even in general? Depends on the industry, but most should be safe. Lets use some real numbers... X= $10,000 profit per day Y= $1000,,, 10 employees make $100 a day post tax Lets say Y is now $150 a day per worker, or $1500 per day. I think making $8500 in a day they should be able to stay afloat, despite making slightly less profit. lincoln002 posted... They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy. Also agree with this. I generally like a more hands off government and for them to stay the fuck out of citizens lives and business but this is one time where I think 100% the government should impose very heavy taxes on business that could perhaps make them close shop if they want to up prices? Business: Min wage is $15/hr? Fuck lets make milk $7 a gallon US Gov: sure go ahead, but itll cost $250 million in taxes per quarter. If you sell enough milk to make an additional billion a year, then jolly, if you cant, then dont be greedy. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:924873084] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Question, how exactly does raising minimum wage not pose a problem for businesses and customers? Currently they bring in $x/day and pay out $y/day. They survive because y < x. If x stays the same (not a problem for customers), what is basis of the assumption that y can increase by up to 100% and still remain lower than x, in every case or even in general?</quote> Depends on the industry, but most should be safe. Lets use some real numbers... X= $10,000 profit per day Y= $1000,,, 10 employees make $100 a day post tax Lets say Y is now $150 a day per worker, or $1500 per day. I think making $8500 in a day they should be able to stay afloat, despite making slightly less profit. <cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy.</quote> Also agree with this. I generally like a more hands off government and for them to stay the fuck out of citizens lives and business but this is one time where I think 100% the government should impose very heavy taxes on business that could perhaps make them close shop if they want to up prices? Business: Min wage is $15/hr? Fuck lets make milk $7 a gallon US Gov: sure go ahead, but itll cost $250 million in taxes per quarter. If you sell enough milk to make an additional billion a year, then jolly, if you cant, then dont be greedy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/18/19 7:13:18 PM #106:	Antifar posted... https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7 That aside, when minimum wage goes up either one of two things will happen. The floor for everything else goes up and it's back to square one, or massive layoffs/slashed hours and benefits. Most companies won't just roll over and eat the loss on those margins, they just won't. Sometimes they can't or lose the business. In many cases both will happen, and it's already happening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b3353dee622c When Seattle officials voted three years ago to incrementally boost the city's minimum wage up to $15 an hour, they'd hoped to improve the lives of low-income workers. Yet according to a major new study that could force economists to reassess past research on the issue, the hike has had the opposite effect. The city is gradually increasing the hourly minimum to $15 over several years. Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found. The costs to low-wage workers in Seattle outweighed the benefits by a ratio of three to one, according to the study, conducted by a group of economists at the University of Washington who were commissioned by the city. The study, published as a working paper Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research, has not yet been peer reviewed. On the whole, the study estimates, the average low-wage worker in the city lost $125 a month because of the hike in the minimum. The paper's conclusions contradict years of research on the minimum wage. Many past studies, by contrast, have found that the benefits of increases for low-wage workers exceed the costs in terms of reduced employment -- often by a factor of four or five to one. "This strikes me as a study that is likely to influence people," said David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was not involved in the research. He called the work "very credible" and "sufficiently compelling in its design and statistical power that it can change minds." https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/states-with-15-minimum-wage-laws-doubled-this-year But that view is not uniform. Small business advocates such as the National Federation of Independent Business say the mandated labor-cost increases will stunt economic growth and cause job losses. Often the people that get crowded out of the workforce when you see wage increases are younger and less-skilled workers, said Christopher Carlozzi, NFIBs state director for Massachusetts. He said hes already hearing reports of Boston-area restaurants closing and cutting workers hours since the state passed its wage increase last year. Youre already seeing almost immediately, even at $12 an hour, some small businesses saying we cant afford this, he said, noting the state enacted new paid leave requirements for employers at the same time. The states minimum wage rose to $12 an hour in January on its way to $15 by 2023. Restaurants and retailers tend to be hit hard by wage increases, as well as landscaping services, amusement businesses such as skating rinks, and other small businesses, Carlozzi said. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924873328] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.businessinsider.com/15-an-hour-minimum-wage-jobs-cbo-report-opinion-2019-7</quote> That aside, when minimum wage goes up either one of two things will happen. The floor for everything else goes up and it's back to square one, or massive layoffs/slashed hours and benefits. Most companies won't just roll over and eat the loss on those margins, they just won't. Sometimes they can't or lose the business. In many cases both will happen, and it's already happening. <quote>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b3353dee622c When Seattle officials voted three years ago to incrementally boost the city's minimum wage up to $15 an hour, they'd hoped to improve the lives of low-income workers. Yet according to a major new study that could force economists to reassess past research on the issue, the hike has had the opposite effect. The city is gradually increasing the hourly minimum to $15 over several years. Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found. The costs to low-wage workers in Seattle outweighed the benefits by a ratio of three to one, according to the study, conducted by a group of economists at the University of Washington who were commissioned by the city. The study, published as a working paper Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research, has not yet been peer reviewed. On the whole, the study estimates, the average low-wage worker in the city lost $125 a month because of the hike in the minimum. The paper's conclusions contradict years of research on the minimum wage. Many past studies, by contrast, have found that the benefits of increases for low-wage workers exceed the costs in terms of reduced employment -- often by a factor of four or five to one. "This strikes me as a study that is likely to influence people," said David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who was not involved in the research. He called the work "very credible" and "sufficiently compelling in its design and statistical power that it can change minds."</quote> <quote>https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/states-with-15-minimum-wage-laws-doubled-this-year But that view is not uniform. Small business advocates such as the National Federation of Independent Business say the mandated labor-cost increases will stunt economic growth and cause job losses. Often the people that get crowded out of the workforce when you see wage increases are younger and less-skilled workers, said Christopher Carlozzi, NFIBs state director for Massachusetts. He said hes already hearing reports of Boston-area restaurants closing and cutting workers hours since the state passed its wage increase last year. Youre already seeing almost immediately, even at $12 an hour, some small businesses saying we cant afford this, he said, noting the state enacted new paid leave requirements for employers at the same time. The states minimum wage rose to $12 an hour in January on its way to $15 by 2023. Restaurants and retailers tend to be hit hard by wage increases, as well as landscaping services, amusement businesses such as skating rinks, and other small businesses, Carlozzi said. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/18/19 7:13:29 PM #107:	am I seeing people advocate for price controls in 2019 are we really doing this <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924873335] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>am I seeing people advocate for price controls in 2019 are we really doing this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/18/19 7:20:05 PM #109:	DevsBro posted... lincoln002 posted... They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy. So what you're saying is our economy needs both a steep price floor on labor and a price ceiling on literally everything else. That's a sure-fire way to tank an economy, hard. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:924873607] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy.</quote> So what you're saying is our economy needs both a steep price floor on labor and a price ceiling on literally everything else.</quote> That's a sure-fire way to tank an economy, hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/18/19 7:24:58 PM #110:	voldothegr8 posted... That aside, when minimum wage goes up either one of two things will happen. The floor for everything else goes up and it's back to square one, or massive layoffs/slashed hours and benefits. Most companies won't just roll over and eat the loss on those margins, they just won't. They definitely do, though. Just based on all of the research. They'll eat it even if they try to cut costs else where --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924873828] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>That aside, when minimum wage goes up either one of two things will happen. The floor for everything else goes up and it's back to square one, or massive layoffs/slashed hours and benefits. Most companies won't just roll over and eat the loss on those margins, they just won't. </quote> They definitely do, though. Just based on all of the research. They'll eat it even if they try to cut costs else where</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/18/19 7:25:24 PM #111:	LightningAce11 posted... Maybe if these places paid their employees more and didn't expect customers to pick up the slack this wouldn't be such a hotly debated issue. What's worse? Getting food for 30 and giving a 5 dollar tip or just paying 35 outright? You'd honestly think that restaurants didn't exist in places where wages weren't subsidized by tipping by the way people act and yet. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:924873851] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe if these places paid their employees more and didn't expect customers to pick up the slack this wouldn't be such a hotly debated issue. What's worse? Getting food for 30 and giving a 5 dollar tip or just paying 35 outright?</quote> You'd honestly think that restaurants didn't exist in places where wages weren't subsidized by tipping by the way people act and yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kinetika_ 07/18/19 7:34:38 PM #112:	Broseph_Stalin posted... PleaseClap posted... Antifar posted... This topic extremely doesn't have to be about djl's marriage. What marriage? fantastic post Lol and his name at that. --- PSN: PurifyNothing <cite>kinetika_ posted [p:924874253] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PleaseClap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>This topic extremely doesn't have to be about djl's marriage.</quote> What marriage?</quote> fantastic post</quote> Lol and his name at that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lincoln002 07/18/19 7:37:10 PM #113:	DevsBro posted... lincoln002 posted... They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy. So what you're saying is our economy needs both a steep price floor on labor and a price ceiling on literally everything else. Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. Seemed to work perfectly fine before when wages bought you more. --- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCMCxJmdDzN09HLxKSmQOUQ - my podcast channel <cite>lincoln002 posted [p:924874361] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>They need to make minimum wage $15 now not in 2025 and they need to pass a law prohibiting the increase of goods and services by a certain percentage each year. Bam, fixed the economy.</quote> So what you're saying is our economy needs both a steep price floor on labor and a price ceiling on literally everything else.</quote> Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. Seemed to work perfectly fine before when wages bought you more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/18/19 7:37:44 PM #114:	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-minimum-wage-would-boost-pay-for-17-million-workers-says-cbo-202803314.html --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924874379] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-minimum-wage-would-boost-pay-for-17-million-workers-says-cbo-202803314.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/18/19 7:40:19 PM #115:	lincoln002 posted... Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. do you want Venezuela because that's how you get Venezuela <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924874452] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. </quote> do you want Venezuela because that's how you get Venezuela</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/18/19 7:41:32 PM #116:	Antifar posted... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-minimum-wage-would-boost-pay-for-17-million-workers-says-cbo-202803314.html A new report from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has evaluated the impact of raising the federal minimum wage to $15, $12, or $10 per hour by 2025. According to CBO estimates, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour would boost the pay for 17 million workers. But, says CBO, it would also cause a median 1.3 million employees to lose their jobs as employers cant afford the wage thats a 0.8% reduction of the number of employed workers. CBO says that if the federal minimum wage were raised to $15 an hour, there is a 66% chance that between none and 3.7 million people could lose their jobs. However, the report states, there is considerable uncertainty about the size of any options effect on employment. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 4 (3) \| THE Ohio State: 13-1 \| Oakland Raiders: 4-12 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:924874488] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-minimum-wage-would-boost-pay-for-17-million-workers-says-cbo-202803314.html</quote> <quote> A new report from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has evaluated the impact of raising the federal minimum wage to $15, $12, or $10 per hour by 2025. According to CBO estimates, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour would boost the pay for 17 million workers. But, says CBO, it would also cause a median 1.3 million employees to lose their jobs as employers cant afford the wage thats a 0.8% reduction of the number of employed workers. CBO says that if the federal minimum wage were raised to $15 an hour, there is a 66% chance that between none and 3.7 million people could lose their jobs. However, the report states, there is considerable uncertainty about the size of any options effect on employment.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lincoln002 07/18/19 7:43:13 PM #117:	Broseph_Stalin posted... lincoln002 posted... Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. do you want Venezuela because that's how you get Venezuela OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less and the wealth gap continues to increase. --- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCMCxJmdDzN09HLxKSmQOUQ - my podcast channel <cite>lincoln002 posted [p:924874552] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, so your labor/money has more buying power like it used to. </quote> do you want Venezuela because that's how you get Venezuela</quote> OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less and the wealth gap continues to increase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/18/19 7:46:18 PM #118:	lincoln002 posted... OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less wait until you see how far your money goes with price controls <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924874665] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote>OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less</quote> wait until you see how far your money goes with price controls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/18/19 7:47:51 PM #119:	lincoln002 posted... OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less and the wealth gap continues to increase. This is what puzzles me about right wing resistance to pro-poor/pro-worker policies Like this stuff is a big problem. Not doing anything isn't an option. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924874718] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote> OK, then I guess we just live with the fact that our money will perpetually buy us less and less and the wealth gap continues to increase.</quote> This is what puzzles me about right wing resistance to pro-poor/pro-worker policies Like this stuff is a big problem. Not doing anything isn't an option.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/18/19 7:55:34 PM #120:	Doom_Art posted... This is what puzzles me about right wing resistance to pro-poor/pro-worker policies Like this stuff is a big problem. Not doing anything isn't an option. Not doing anything has, in fact, worked better than Venezuela doing something. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:924875043] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>This is what puzzles me about right wing resistance to pro-poor/pro-worker policies Like this stuff is a big problem. Not doing anything isn't an option.</quote> Not doing anything has, in fact, worked better than Venezuela doing something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 07/18/19 8:01:35 PM #121:	CommonJoe posted... Trigg3rH4ppy posted... And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something. Its not easy working in a restaurant. Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:924875271] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something.</quote> Its not easy working in a restaurant.</quote> Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unclekoolaid73 07/18/19 8:21:39 PM #122:	StealthRock posted... CommonJoe posted... Trigg3rH4ppy posted... And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something. Its not easy working in a restaurant. Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people So criminals and dying people dont eat at restaurants? --- https://imgur.com/NilNCvi <cite>unclekoolaid73 posted [p:924876059] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something.</quote> Its not easy working in a restaurant.</quote> Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people</quote> So criminals and dying people dont eat at restaurants?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/18/19 8:25:16 PM #123:	If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:924876221] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 07/18/19 8:26:17 PM #124:	unclekoolaid73 posted... StealthRock posted... CommonJoe posted... Trigg3rH4ppy posted... And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something. Its not easy working in a restaurant. Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people So criminals and dying people dont eat at restaurants? No they typically dont. You usually dont have to worry about killing someone ot someone trying to kill you at a friggin restaurant Stop trying to act like these jobs are so stressful. Theu arent nearly as bad as jobs like cops or EMTs --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:924876273] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>unclekoolaid73 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonJoe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted...</cite> <quote>And their pay will raise appropriately or else EMTs will be quitting their jobs to go work some stupid easy job like in a restaurant or something.</quote> Its not easy working in a restaurant.</quote> Its a hell of alot easier than working with crminals/dying people</quote> So criminals and dying people dont eat at restaurants?</quote> No they typically dont. You usually dont have to worry about killing someone ot someone trying to kill you at a friggin restaurant Stop trying to act like these jobs are so stressful. Theu arent nearly as bad as jobs like cops or EMTs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/18/19 8:28:30 PM #125:	tennisdude818 posted... If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready. Sweet, then we can put all that money towards UBI programs since automation will make working to live obsolete. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:924876363] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready.</quote> Sweet, then we can put all that money towards UBI programs since automation will make working to live obsolete.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/18/19 8:35:12 PM #126:	hockeybub89 posted... tennisdude818 posted... If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready. Sweet, then we can put all that money towards UBI programs since automation will make working to live obsolete. Automating minimum wage jobs that the govt made artificially expensive = working to live is obsolete. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:924876606] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>If that were to pass it sends a signal to the market. If your employees min wage job can be automated or eliminated, you have 6 years to figure out how. Get those kiosks ready.</quote> Sweet, then we can put all that money towards UBI programs since automation will make working to live obsolete.</quote> Automating minimum wage jobs that the govt made artificially expensive = working to live is obsolete.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bobbaaay 07/18/19 10:05:01 PM #128:	creativeme posted... then the people making $15 an hour need to be bumped up to like $25 an hour. it's just getting to the point that what's the point of school if you can just flip burgers for the same kind of money. Job satisfaction? Is it that hard to grasp? <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924880080] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativeme posted...</cite> <quote>then the people making $15 an hour need to be bumped up to like $25 an hour. it's just getting to the point that what's the point of school if you can just flip burgers for the same kind of money.</quote> Job satisfaction? Is it that hard to grasp?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/18/19 10:12:11 PM #129:	To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924880398] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/18/19 10:26:15 PM #130:	bobbaaay posted... To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here. Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924880969] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here.</quote> Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/18/19 10:35:01 PM #131:	Balrog0 posted... bobbaaay posted... To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here. Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful. <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924881316] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here.</quote> Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy</quote> I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/18/19 10:36:30 PM #132:	And food service is the worst sub-category of retail <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924881362] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>And food service is the worst sub-category of retail</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkstar4221 07/18/19 10:55:53 PM #133:	Goodbye US economy. M_Live posted... $15 ain't shit. I make more than that and I'm poor as fuck. Double that ain't shit in New York. The minimum wage just makes it illegal to hire anyone below $15 an hour so that means a lot of unskilled workers won't get jobs. Without a minimum wage you can still demand a $15/hour salary, let's say at McDonald's. It's just that an employer will look at you and say, you ain't worth $15 an hour, maybe $5.50 an hour. $5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0. Now with the minimum wage at $15.00 I would say half the country would be unemployed. <cite>darkstar4221 posted [p:924882098] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>Goodbye US economy. <cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>$15 ain't shit. I make more than that and I'm poor as fuck. Double that ain't shit in New York.</quote> The minimum wage just makes it illegal to hire anyone below $15 an hour so that means a lot of unskilled workers won't get jobs. Without a minimum wage you can still demand a $15/hour salary, let's say at McDonald's. It's just that an employer will look at you and say, you ain't worth $15 an hour, maybe $5.50 an hour. $5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0. Now with the minimum wage at $15.00 I would say half the country would be unemployed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 07/18/19 10:56:05 PM #134:	Deadpool_18 posted... Conservatives are raging nationwide. Nobody is raging because it has no chance of passing the senate and the president will vote it down. It's a publicity stunt. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:924882107] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deadpool_18 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives are raging nationwide.</quote> Nobody is raging because it has no chance of passing the senate and the president will vote it down. It's a publicity stunt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/18/19 10:57:04 PM #135:	darkstar4221 posted... Goodbye US economy. M_Live posted... $15 ain't shit. I make more than that and I'm poor as fuck. Double that ain't shit in New York. The minimum wage just makes it illegal to hire anyone below $15 an h our so that means a lot of unskilled workers won't get jobs. Without a minimum wage you can still demand a $15/hour salary, let's say at McDonald's. It's just that an employer will look at you and say, you ain't worth $15 an hour, maybe $5.50 an hour. $5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0. Now with the minimum wage at $15.00 I would say half the country would be unemployed. What a fucking dumb post --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:924882154] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>Goodbye US economy. <cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>$15 ain't shit. I make more than that and I'm poor as fuck. Double that ain't shit in New York.</quote> The minimum wage just makes it illegal to hire anyone below $15 an h our so that means a lot of unskilled workers won't get jobs. Without a minimum wage you can still demand a $15/hour salary, let's say at McDonald's. It's just that an employer will look at you and say, you ain't worth $15 an hour, maybe $5.50 an hour. $5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0. Now with the minimum wage at $15.00 I would say half the country would be unemployed.</quote> What a fucking dumb post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkstar4221 07/18/19 10:58:06 PM #136:	Bio1590 posted... What a fucking dumb post You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage. <cite>darkstar4221 posted [p:924882201] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>What a fucking dumb post</quote> You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/18/19 10:59:51 PM #137:	darkstar4221 posted... You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage. what the hell are you babbling about --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924882277] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage. </quote> what the hell are you babbling about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkstar4221 07/18/19 11:01:59 PM #138:	Doom_Art posted... darkstar4221 posted... You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage. what the hell are you babbling about I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty. <cite>darkstar4221 posted [p:924882377] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>You're the one dumb here. Why does the minimum wage have to be $15 an hour, why not $20 an hour? Why not $50 an hour? See what happens to the US economy with a $50 an hour minimum wage. </quote> what the hell are you babbling about</quote> I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/18/19 11:06:16 PM #139:	Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https:/i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:924882565] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/18/19 11:08:00 PM #140:	bobbaaay posted... Balrog0 posted... bobbaaay posted... To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here. Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful. I'm not pretending anything. I think I can think that McDonald's is less stressful than other jobs even if customers are sometimes dicks. Even granting what you said is true, and I agree it is, most customers are not that bad. Almost any where. If anything, I think the exceptions are education and health care, where the stakes are higher. What I'm saying is bosses and coworkers made that environment suck more than customers. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924882642] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>To be clear -- you could tell me right now i could get a job at mcdonalds, starting at $20/h, and even with a 3 dollar pay raise from my current job i wouldn't do it. You could tell me i could make 25 an hour and i STILL wouldn't do it. Most of you don't realize those jobs are stressful and you're treated like garbage by people like the classist posters here.</quote> Nope, disagree entirely with this, just based on my own experiences. I wouldn't take a pay raise to work at McDonald's, but that's because I have particular career aspirations that working at McDonald's wouldn't further. I also think that's true of most people. If people really just chose jobs based on stress vs reward, McDonald's is definitely less stress. I found working there really easy and not at all stressful - except my bosses were awful, but that's still true. Dealing with customers was easy</quote> I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful.</quote> I'm not pretending anything. I think I can think that McDonald's is less stressful than other jobs even if customers are sometimes dicks. Even granting what you said is true, and I agree it is, most customers are not that bad. Almost any where. If anything, I think the exceptions are education and health care, where the stakes are higher. What I'm saying is bosses and coworkers made that environment suck more than customers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/18/19 11:08:08 PM #141:	darkstar4221 posted... I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty. sources please Bio1590 posted... Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh $1 an hour is better than unemployment --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924882650] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty. </quote> sources please <cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh </quote> $1 an hour is better than unemployment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 07/18/19 11:09:15 PM #142:	Doom_Art posted... darkstar4221 posted... I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty. sources please Bio1590 posted... Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh $1 an hour is better than unemployment Oh ok you're trolling. Nothing to see here, folks --- What time is it? <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:924882711] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm saying the minimum wage is a bad law, nothing good comes out of it. States that have a high minimum wage like California and Washington there is a lot more poverty. </quote> sources please <cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah let's go back to paying everyone $1/hour and also eliminate child labour laws while we're at it, might as well put them to work supporting their familes too eh </quote> $1 an hour is better than unemployment</quote> Oh ok you're trolling. Nothing to see here, folks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/18/19 11:15:25 PM #143:	Behaviorism posted... Oh ok you're trolling. Nothing to see here, folks I was referencing this dumb post darkstar4221 posted... $5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924882975] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote>Oh ok you're trolling. Nothing to see here, folks </quote> I was referencing this dumb post <cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote>$5.50 is not a lot, but it's better than being unemployed and getting $0.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/18/19 11:16:36 PM #144:	Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924883025] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkstar4221 07/18/19 11:21:23 PM #145:	Doom_Art posted... Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for. There is something called low-paying jobs and high-paying jobs. If you think an employee at McDonald's who has only worked there for a year is going to make $15 an hour mopping the floor and cooking french fries then you are clueless. If you want a high paying job like a software engineer or an auto-mechanic, you have to go to school and acquire the skills to get those jobs. Eliminating the minimum-wage does not eliminate someone who wants to make $15 per hour working at McDonald's because they can put that down in their application. The employer won't hire that individual for $15 per hour, he will only hire that person for much less like $5.50 per hour, and you know that. <cite>darkstar4221 posted [p:924883261] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for.</quote> There is something called low-paying jobs and high-paying jobs. If you think an employee at McDonald's who has only worked there for a year is going to make $15 an hour mopping the floor and cooking french fries then you are clueless. If you want a high paying job like a software engineer or an auto-mechanic, you have to go to school and acquire the skills to get those jobs. Eliminating the minimum-wage does not eliminate someone who wants to make $15 per hour working at McDonald's because they can put that down in their application. The employer won't hire that individual for $15 per hour, he will only hire that person for much less like $5.50 per hour, and you know that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/18/19 11:26:09 PM #146:	darkstar4221 posted... Doom_Art posted... Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for. There is something called low-paying jobs and high-paying jobs. If you think an employee at McDonald's who has only worked there for a year is going to make $15 an hour mopping the floor and cooking french fries then you are clueless. If you want a high-paying job like a software engineer or an auto-mechanic, you have to go to school and acquire the skills to get those jobs. The minimum wage does not eliminate someone who wants to make $15 per hour working at McDonald's because they can put that down in their application. The employer won't hire that individual for $15 per hour, he will only hire that person for much less like $5.50 per hour, and you know that. Classist ce remaining classist <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924883471] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkstar4221 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, "The wealthy can't afford to pay you a fair wage and/or benefits so be thankful for whatever scraps they decide to throw you" is a very silly position to advocate for.</quote> There is something called low-paying jobs and high-paying jobs. If you think an employee at McDonald's who has only worked there for a year is going to make $15 an hour mopping the floor and cooking french fries then you are clueless. If you want a high-paying job like a software engineer or an auto-mechanic, you have to go to school and acquire the skills to get those jobs. The minimum wage does not eliminate someone who wants to make $15 per hour working at McDonald's because they can put that down in their application. The employer won't hire that individual for $15 per hour, he will only hire that person for much less like $5.50 per hour, and you know that. </quote> Classist ce remaining classist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 07/18/19 11:27:01 PM #147:	I live in Seattle and there are help wanted signs all over. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:924883506] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>I live in Seattle and there are help wanted signs all over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 07/18/19 11:49:08 PM #148:	There's a lot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring in this topic. If a business can't afford to pay its workers the minimum wage currently, we have no problem saying that business isn't viable. Increasing that minimum wage might mean that there are businesses at the margins that are no longer viable, but based on however you arrive at that minimum wage amount, the social responsibility to pay your workers at least that much doesn't change. bobbaaay posted... I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful. @Balrog0 is right on this. The worst parts for me of working a retail job was that I wasn't really using my skills in any way, there was no real sense of accomplishment, and I had to deal with annoying management. I was still way less stressed than any job that I actually cared about though. It's just that when your work feels rewarding, it balances that stress. Like I think the minimum wage should increase because people should be paid better wages across the board, not because I have a romanticized view of the minimum wage earner. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:924884344] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>There's a lot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring in this topic. If a business can't afford to pay its workers the minimum wage currently, we have no problem saying that business isn't viable. Increasing that minimum wage might mean that there are businesses at the margins that are no longer viable, but based on however you arrive at that minimum wage amount, the social responsibility to pay your workers at least that much doesn't change. <cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote> I've worked 30+ jobs in my life. The way people treat you in retail is far, far worse than in labor, trades, health care, or sales. Way, way worse. Don't pretend it isn't -- and just because the job is easy doesn't mean it's not stressful.</quote> @Balrog0 is right on this. The worst parts for me of working a retail job was that I wasn't really using my skills in any way, there was no real sense of accomplishment, and I had to deal with annoying management. I was still way less stressed than any job that I actually cared about though. It's just that when your work feels rewarding, it balances that stress. Like I think the minimum wage should increase because people should be paid better wages across the board, not because I have a romanticized view of the minimum wage earner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/19/19 5:17:45 AM #149:	That's a character flaw if you didn't care about your job, even if it was retail/entry level. Your work ethic is a direct reflection of your character <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924891322] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>That's a character flaw if you didn't care about your job, even if it was retail/entry level. Your work ethic is a direct reflection of your character</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 07/19/19 11:02:32 AM #150:	I so sad how ce can judge the right of a business to exist based on their ability to pay their employee's every expense. Good to see that we all support small business here. Bunch of frigging corporate shills --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:924898879] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote>I so sad how ce can judge the right of a business to exist based on their ability to pay their employee's every expense. Good to see that we all support small business here. Bunch of frigging corporate shills</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 07/19/19 11:04:19 AM #151:	bobbaaay posted... That's a character flaw if you didn't care about your job, even if it was retail/entry level. Your work ethic is a direct reflection of your character Not really I worked retail for 8 years. I cared to do a good job, but retail is a BS job unless you are management. The stakes arent high if you fuck up and the job doesnt ever follow you home. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:924898939] in House vote... [t:77872603]...</cite> <quote><cite>bobbaaay posted...</cite> <quote>That's a character flaw if you didn't care about your job, even if it was retail/entry level. Your work ethic is a direct reflection of your character</quote> Not really I worked retail for 8 years. I cared to do a good job, but retail is a BS job unless you are management. The stakes arent high if you fuck up and the job doesnt ever follow you home.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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