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Banjo2553 07/08/19 1:01:29 PM #51:	El Mexicano Texano posted... Recycled locations platformer or Replay the same area to save companies money from adding more areas/stages to purposely make the game seem longer. Nah, too long. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:924406789] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>El Mexicano Texano posted...</cite> <quote>Recycled locations platformer or Replay the same area to save companies money from adding more areas/stages to purposely make the game seem longer.</quote> Nah, too long.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:04:41 PM #52:	The only problem with the term is now people thinks Metroid and Castlevania are the more the same than different. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924406939] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>The only problem with the term is now people thinks Metroid and Castlevania are the more the same than different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 1:15:10 PM #53:	Veggeta X posted... The only problem with the term is now people thinks Metroid and Castlevania are the more the same than different. They are similar. In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924407395] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>The only problem with the term is now people thinks Metroid and Castlevania are the more the same than different.</quote> They are similar. In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/19 1:16:54 PM #54:	Evening_Dragon posted... Or you can go with "map uncovering room/hall-based exploration via 2d platforming mechanics" but metroidvania's faster. This suggests that the Prime games aren't Metroidvania, despite being far more of one than the last console entry in the series. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:924407496] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Or you can go with "map uncovering room/hall-based exploration via 2d platforming mechanics" but metroidvania's faster.</quote> This suggests that the Prime games aren't Metroidvania, despite being far more of one than the last console entry in the series.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/19 1:17:41 PM #55:	El Mexicano Texano posted... Recycled locations platformer or Replay the same area to save companies money from adding more areas/stages to purposely make the game seem longer. Edgy. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:924407537] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>El Mexicano Texano posted...</cite> <quote>Recycled locations platformer or Replay the same area to save companies money from adding more areas/stages to purposely make the game seem longer.</quote> Edgy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/08/19 1:21:35 PM #56:	OctilIery posted... DevsBro posted... OctilIery posted... And they aren't their own genre any more than doom and quake clones are. They're a subset of a genre specifically imitating certain games in the genre. Sure but this logic applies to all kinds of stuff so it should be little more than a footnote. FPS is just a subgenre of shooter, stealth is just a subgenre of action-adventure, match three is just a subgenre of puzzle, etc. Fps isn't a subgenre FPS is a subgenre of Action. Your main parent genres are Action, Adventure, Action-Adventure, Puzzle, Role-Playing, Strategy, Sports, Music, and Casual Action is going to include basically shooters, bullet hells, fighting games, beat em ups, etc. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924407719] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>And they aren't their own genre any more than doom and quake clones are. They're a subset of a genre specifically imitating certain games in the genre.</quote> Sure but this logic applies to all kinds of stuff so it should be little more than a footnote. FPS is just a subgenre of shooter, stealth is just a subgenre of action-adventure, match three is just a subgenre of puzzle, etc.</quote> Fps isn't a subgenre</quote> FPS is a subgenre of Action. Your main parent genres are Action, Adventure, Action-Adventure, Puzzle, Role-Playing, Strategy, Sports, Music, and Casual Action is going to include basically shooters, bullet hells, fighting games, beat em ups, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 07/08/19 1:24:53 PM #57:	Tyranthraxus posted... By invoking the word metroidvania, you're specifically invoking a feel of the 2D sidescrolling and platforming aspect of Action Adventure agree with everything in your post except the use of "2D" here because that implies that Metroid Prime is not a 'metroidvania' which feels utterly wrong to me. --- Playing: Dragon Quest XI, Vermintide 2 I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:924407874] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>By invoking the word metroidvania, you're specifically invoking a feel of the 2D sidescrolling and platforming aspect of Action Adventure</quote> agree with everything in your post except the use of "2D" here because that implies that Metroid Prime is not a 'metroidvania' which feels utterly wrong to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:24:55 PM #58:	Evening_Dragon posted... In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924407878] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other.</quote> I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/19 1:27:13 PM #59:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same? So ME3 isn't basically a cover third-person shooter? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:924407991] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other.</quote> I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same? So ME3 isn't basically a cover third-person shooter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 1:34:56 PM #60:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? Okay, here's a fun trick: Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't. Also, tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924408315] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other.</quote> I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> Okay, here's a fun trick: Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't. Also, tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:39:53 PM #61:	darkjedilink posted... The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same? In this case, yes. As I said before would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924408532] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same?</quote> In this case, yes. As I said before would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 07/08/19 1:40:30 PM #62:	Evening_Dragon posted... Also, Metroidvania games aren't all that nonlinear, really. You get to backtrack in nonlinear ways, but intentional progress is mostly directed via items and upgrades. different endings means that the intentional progress achieved with no upgrades is part of the game design and as intentional as everything else in the game. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:924408559] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Also, Metroidvania games aren't all that nonlinear, really. You get to backtrack in nonlinear ways, but intentional progress is mostly directed via items and upgrades.</quote> different endings means that the intentional progress achieved with no upgrades is part of the game design and as intentional as everything else in the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 07/08/19 1:41:05 PM #63:	Veggeta X posted... darkjedilink posted... The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same? In this case, yes. As I said before would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? That would be Richter mode I guess. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:924408583] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The addition of RPG elements mean they aren't the same?</quote> In this case, yes. As I said before would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> That would be Richter mode I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:43:02 PM #64:	Evening_Dragon posted... Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't. Oh lord. I've argued with people who tried to tell me Super Metroid was an actual RPG to rationalize the similarity. Are you serious about going this route? Evening_Dragon posted... tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other. I would say Megaman ZX and Super Metroid has more in common. They are both exploring 2D shooting platformers, robotic and futuristic settings and the gameplay is more similar than Castlevania which is more of a hack and slash. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924408652] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't.</quote> Oh lord. I've argued with people who tried to tell me Super Metroid was an actual RPG to rationalize the similarity. Are you serious about going this route? <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other.</quote> I would say Megaman ZX and Super Metroid has more in common. They are both exploring 2D shooting platformers, robotic and futuristic settings and the gameplay is more similar than Castlevania which is more of a hack and slash.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:43:36 PM #65:	Mistere Man posted... That would be Richter mode I guess. Alright, let me ask it this way then. Would SotN be as great as it is if it was only Ritcher mode? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924408685] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mistere Man posted...</cite> <quote>That would be Richter mode I guess.</quote> Alright, let me ask it this way then. Would SotN be as great as it is if it was only Ritcher mode?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 07/08/19 1:47:42 PM #66:	EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. Doom --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/id/4leaf440/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1488-free-games <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:924408847] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> Doom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 07/08/19 1:50:59 PM #67:	Veggeta X posted... Mistere Man posted... That would be Richter mode I guess. Alright, let me ask it this way then. Would SotN be as great as it is if it was only Ritcher mode? Doubtful, but I do wish the bosses had way more hp or better ai/attack patterns. I was just playing it and it gets way to easy too fast even without broken equipment of which there is tons. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:924408991] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mistere Man posted...</cite> <quote>That would be Richter mode I guess.</quote> Alright, let me ask it this way then. Would SotN be as great as it is if it was only Ritcher mode?</quote> Doubtful, but I do wish the bosses had way more hp or better ai/attack patterns. I was just playing it and it gets way to easy too fast even without broken equipment of which there is tons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 1:51:07 PM #68:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't. Oh lord. I've argued with people who tried to tell me Super Metroid was an actual RPG to rationalize the similarity. Are you serious about going this route? Evening_Dragon posted... tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other. I would say Megaman ZX and Super Metroid has more in common. They are both exploring 2D shooting platformers, robotic and futuristic settings and the gameplay is more similar than Castlevania which is more of a hack and slash. 1. I'm not them, and I'm serious about going this route. What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? 2. Aesthetic has very little to do with game genre, and Megaman ZX is literally another Metroidvania title. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924408999] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Tell me what RPG elements SoTN has that Super Metroid doesn't.</quote> Oh lord. I've argued with people who tried to tell me Super Metroid was an actual RPG to rationalize the similarity. Are you serious about going this route? <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>tell me other game types that are more similar to either game than they are to each other.</quote> I would say Megaman ZX and Super Metroid has more in common. They are both exploring 2D shooting platformers, robotic and futuristic settings and the gameplay is more similar than Castlevania which is more of a hack and slash.</quote> 1. I'm not them, and I'm serious about going this route. What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? 2. Aesthetic has very little to do with game genre, and Megaman ZX is literally another Metroidvania title.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/08/19 1:57:39 PM #69:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements? That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924409288] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>In comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other.</quote> I disagree. One is a literal action RPG and one is not, and that makes all the difference. Answer this, would SotN be as good as it is if it didn't have any RPG elements?</quote> That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 1:59:35 PM #70:	Evening_Dragon posted... What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? Oh lord... well you can level up in SotN by killing enemies and you can't in SM. I'd love for you to make an argument against this, though. Would be fucking hilarious. Again, I've seen people try to tell me SM is an RPG to prove me wrong. Such fanboyism is awful. And I assume you know what leveling up does for you in an RPG that can't do for you in games that you can't level up. Evening_Dragon posted... Aesthetic has very little to do with game genre But we're talking about the differences here so it does matter. And I also mentioned the actual battle gameplay and how they're different too. Evening_Dragon posted... Megaman ZX is literally another Metroidvania title And yet you can't level up in these two games. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924409357] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? </quote> Oh lord... well you can level up in SotN by killing enemies and you can't in SM. I'd love for you to make an argument against this, though. Would be fucking hilarious. Again, I've seen people try to tell me SM is an RPG to prove me wrong. Such fanboyism is awful. And I assume you know what leveling up does for you in an RPG that can't do for you in games that you can't level up. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Aesthetic has very little to do with game genre</quote> But we're talking about the differences here so it does matter. And I also mentioned the actual battle gameplay and how they're different too. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Megaman ZX is literally another Metroidvania title</quote> And yet you can't level up in these two games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 2:00:04 PM #71:	Tyranthraxus posted... That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN. That's crazy talk. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924409378] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN.</quote> That's crazy talk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/08/19 2:00:34 PM #72:	Tyranthraxus posted... That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN. my man it really is the best castlevania --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:924409401] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN.</quote> my man it really is the best castlevania</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 07/08/19 2:01:47 PM #73:	Balrog0 posted... Tyranthraxus posted... That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN. my man it really is the best castlevania I have not played it yet, but it is next on my list. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:924409459] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>That's called Rondo of Blood and yes it's much better than SotN.</quote> my man it really is the best castlevania</quote> I have not played it yet, but it is next on my list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbaaay 07/08/19 2:01:59 PM #74:	PRPGs platformer-rpgs <cite>bobbaaay posted [p:924409475] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>PRPGs platformer-rpgs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/08/19 2:05:31 PM #75:	Ha I forgot about VX's former weekly "SotN js an RPG" topic. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:924409612] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Ha I forgot about VX's former weekly "SotN js an RPG" topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 2:07:55 PM #76:	DevsBro posted... Ha I forgot about VX's former weekly "SotN js an RPG" topic. Hah, I should have made one sooner in the midst of things since people think I'm such a Xenogears/RE4 guy now. People knows little of the things I talk about. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924409727] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Ha I forgot about VX's former weekly "SotN js an RPG" topic.</quote> Hah, I should have made one sooner in the midst of things since people think I'm such a Xenogears/RE4 guy now. People knows little of the things I talk about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 07/08/19 2:23:47 PM #77:	OctilIery posted... EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. LOL no Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:924410382] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> LOL no</quote> Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 2:44:53 PM #78:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? Oh lord... well you can level up in SotN by killing enemies and you can't in SM. I'd love for you to make an argument against this, though. Would be fucking hilarious. Again, I've seen people try to tell me SM is an RPG to prove me wrong. Such fanboyism is awful. And I assume you know what leveling up does for you in an RPG that can't do for you in games that you can't level up. Okay, that's exactly one mechanic, and that mechanic serves the purpose of enforcing the core gameplay loop. Don't bring baggage from some other user to me, man. But we're talking about the differences here so it does matter. And I also mentioned the actual battle gameplay and how they're different too. Game type differences, as I already mentioned. Genre. Recall the original point of this argument. And yet you can't level up in these two games. Refer to first point. - The RPG elements in Castlevania do not serve themselves, as they would in a typical RPG. The bigger stats serve the core gameplay loop: Get stronger to explore more areas and fight better to get stronger to explore more etc. The leveling mechanic is a tool, a method of enabling that. That doesn't suddenly put a massive gap in gameplay concept between it and Metroid. They have that same core gameplay loop, and they have it in the same format of a big 2d room-based map that you platform and fight through with various upgrades that you gain along the way. So yes, in comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. That's plain to see for everyone, which is why they define and share a genre, which is why games like Megaman ZX get made. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924411309] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>What RPG elements does SoTN have that SM doesn't? </quote> Oh lord... well you can level up in SotN by killing enemies and you can't in SM. I'd love for you to make an argument against this, though. Would be fucking hilarious. Again, I've seen people try to tell me SM is an RPG to prove me wrong. Such fanboyism is awful. And I assume you know what leveling up does for you in an RPG that can't do for you in games that you can't level up.</quote> Okay, that's exactly one mechanic, and that mechanic serves the purpose of enforcing the core gameplay loop. Don't bring baggage from some other user to me, man. <quote>But we're talking about the differences here so it does matter. And I also mentioned the actual battle gameplay and how they're different too.</quote> Game type differences, as I already mentioned. Genre. Recall the original point of this argument. <quote>And yet you can't level up in these two games.</quote> Refer to first point. - The RPG elements in Castlevania do not serve themselves, as they would in a typical RPG. The bigger stats serve the core gameplay loop: Get stronger to explore more areas and fight better to get stronger to explore more etc. The leveling mechanic is a tool, a method of enabling that. That doesn't suddenly put a massive gap in gameplay concept between it and Metroid. They have that same core gameplay loop, and they have it in the same format of a big 2d room-based map that you platform and fight through with various upgrades that you gain along the way. So yes, in comparison to all other game types, they're the most similar to each other. That's plain to see for everyone, which is why they define and share a genre, which is why games like Megaman ZX get made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 07/08/19 2:45:47 PM #79:	Exploration Platformer --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:924411347] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Exploration Platformer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 07/08/19 2:47:59 PM #80:	Metroidvania is a proper name --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:924411441] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Metroidvania is a proper name</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 07/08/19 2:55:05 PM #81:	YookaLaylee posted... Metroidvania is a proper name It really isnt though, its just a mash-up of two similar games. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:924411730] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Metroidvania is a proper name</quote> It really isnt though, its just a mash-up of two similar games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 07/08/19 2:57:47 PM #82:	Metroidvania. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:924411859] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Metroidvania.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/08/19 2:58:05 PM #83:	EffectAndCause posted... YookaLaylee posted... Metroidvania is a proper name It really isnt though, its just a mash-up of two similar games. This isn't significantly different from calling games "roguelikes" or "rogue-lites" For a while in the 90s, other first person shooters were called doomlikes. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:924411875] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote>Metroidvania is a proper name</quote> It really isnt though, its just a mash-up of two similar games.</quote> This isn't significantly different from calling games "roguelikes" or "rogue-lites" For a while in the 90s, other first person shooters were called doomlikes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 3:00:42 PM #84:	I remember doom clones more, but the point stands. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924411993] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>I remember doom clones more, but the point stands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 3:01:53 PM #85:	Evening_Dragon posted... Okay, that's exactly one mechanic One of many differences that comes with having RPG elements. Do you literally want me to list them all? I'm sure you're smart enough to know. Evening_Dragon posted... Game type differences, as I already mentioned. Genre. Recall the original point of this argument. But you're still ignoring the gameplay battle of how these two games play. One is a 2D shooters and the other is more a melee hack and slash. Evening_Dragon posted... The RPG elements in Castlevania do not serve themselves, as they would in a typical RPG Not in a traditional sense of a JRPG but they are there to make SotN as great as it is. Evening_Dragon posted... The bigger stats serve the core gameplay loop: Get stronger to explore more areas and fight better to get stronger to explore more etc. It's a similarity but I still think the RPG elements makes it more different than the same. Evening_Dragon posted... The leveling mechanic is a tool, a method of enabling that. That doesn't suddenly put a massive gap in gameplay concept between it and Metroid. Yes it does. SotN being an action-RPG is what made it great. Not the similarities to SM. Trust me, take out the RPG elements of SotN then it'd be another unknown game. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924412047] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, that's exactly one mechanic</quote> One of many differences that comes with having RPG elements. Do you literally want me to list them all? I'm sure you're smart enough to know. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Game type differences, as I already mentioned. Genre. Recall the original point of this argument. </quote> But you're still ignoring the gameplay battle of how these two games play. One is a 2D shooters and the other is more a melee hack and slash. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The RPG elements in Castlevania do not serve themselves, as they would in a typical RPG</quote> Not in a traditional sense of a JRPG but they are there to make SotN as great as it is. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The bigger stats serve the core gameplay loop: Get stronger to explore more areas and fight better to get stronger to explore more etc.</quote> It's a similarity but I still think the RPG elements makes it more different than the same. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>The leveling mechanic is a tool, a method of enabling that. That doesn't suddenly put a massive gap in gameplay concept between it and Metroid.</quote> Yes it does. SotN being an action-RPG is what made it great. Not the similarities to SM. Trust me, take out the RPG elements of SotN then it'd be another unknown game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 3:12:03 PM #86:	One of many differences that comes with having RPG elements. Do you literally want me to list them all? I'm sure you're smart enough to know. Yes, go ahead. But you're still ignoring the gameplay battle of how these two games play. One is a 2D shooters and the other is more a melee hack and slash. Neither of these things are limited to either genre. Not in a traditional sense of a JRPG but they are there to make SotN as great as it is. Yeah, okay? I'm not arguing against SotN being great. It's a similarity but I still think the RPG elements makes it more different than the same. Your disagreement stems from me saying they're more similar than other game types. Maybe if I had just said "genre" like a normal person you would have responded differently, but I still hold by my initial statement, and you haven't shown examples from other genres that they're more similar to than each other. You've given me a game that is filed in, and inspired by, the very genre they define. Yes it does. SotN being an action-RPG is what made it great. Not the similarities to SM. Trust me, take out the RPG elements of SotN then it'd be another unknown game. I don't know why you keep bring up SotN's greatness. I never argued that it wasn't, or that it's greatness depended on similarities. That's... Kinda fanboyish? I don't like using that term, but I mean, you keep bringing up this "greatness" where it's not relevant. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924412481] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><quote> One of many differences that comes with having RPG elements. Do you literally want me to list them all? I'm sure you're smart enough to know.</quote> Yes, go ahead. <quote>But you're still ignoring the gameplay battle of how these two games play. One is a 2D shooters and the other is more a melee hack and slash.</quote> Neither of these things are limited to either genre. <quote>Not in a traditional sense of a JRPG but they are there to make SotN as great as it is.</quote> Yeah, okay? I'm not arguing against SotN being great. <quote>It's a similarity but I still think the RPG elements makes it more different than the same.</quote> Your disagreement stems from me saying they're more similar than other game types. Maybe if I had just said "genre" like a normal person you would have responded differently, but I still hold by my initial statement, and you haven't shown examples from other genres that they're more similar to than each other. You've given me a game that is filed in, and inspired by, the very genre they define. <quote>Yes it does. SotN being an action-RPG is what made it great. Not the similarities to SM. Trust me, take out the RPG elements of SotN then it'd be another unknown game.</quote> I don't know why you keep bring up SotN's greatness. I never argued that it wasn't, or that it's greatness depended on similarities. That's... Kinda fanboyish? I don't like using that term, but I mean, you keep bringing up this "greatness" where it's not relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 3:20:18 PM #87:	Evening_Dragon posted... Yes, go ahead. If you don't know what makes an RPG and what doesn't then it's pretty obvious you're just fanboying over what metroidvania is. The official term what you're doing called motivated reasoning. Evening_Dragon posted... Neither of these things are limited to either genre. Again, we're talking about what makes the game difference. You're solely focusing on one similarity to these games and picking that hill to die on. Evening_Dragon posted... you haven't shown examples from other genres that they're more similar to than each other Showing this won't prove anything especially not that SM and SotN are the same. Evening_Dragon posted... that it's greatness depended on similarities It's greatness is not depended on the similarities of SM. You keep thinking it is if you want, though. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924412887] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, go ahead.</quote> If you don't know what makes an RPG and what doesn't then it's pretty obvious you're just fanboying over what metroidvania is. The official term what you're doing called motivated reasoning. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Neither of these things are limited to either genre.</quote> Again, we're talking about what makes the game difference. You're solely focusing on one similarity to these games and picking that hill to die on. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>you haven't shown examples from other genres that they're more similar to than each other</quote> Showing this won't prove anything especially not that SM and SotN are the same. <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>that it's greatness depended on similarities</quote> It's greatness is not depended on the similarities of SM. You keep thinking it is if you want, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0xDEFECADE 07/08/19 3:21:59 PM #88:	TroutPaste posted... EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. Doom wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed --- 1101 1110 1111 1110 1100 1010 1101 1110 one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>0xDEFECADE posted [p:924412967] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> Doom</quote> wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 07/08/19 3:22:35 PM #89:	0xDEFECADE posted... TroutPaste posted... EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. Doom wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed Yeah that's true --- https://steamcommunity.com/id/4leaf440/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1488-free-games <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:924413008] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>0xDEFECADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> Doom</quote> wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed</quote> Yeah that's true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 3:25:14 PM #90:	I'm glad I read your full post before going point-by-point. Veggeta X posted... It's greatness is not depended on the similarities of SM. You keep thinking it is if you want, though. Evening_Dragon posted... I never argued that it wasn't, or that it's greatness depended on similarities. I'm calling you out on reading comprehension. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924413137] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad I read your full post before going point-by-point. <cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>It's greatness is not depended on the similarities of SM. You keep thinking it is if you want, though.</quote> <cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote> I never argued that it wasn't, or that it's greatness depended on similarities.</quote> I'm calling you out on reading comprehension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 3:27:03 PM #91:	Then why pick this hill to die on? It's obvious a game that's great on it's own with similarity to other games while being different. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924413213] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Then why pick this hill to die on? It's obvious a game that's great on it's own with similarity to other games while being different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 3:29:06 PM #92:	I never argued otherwise. Again, reading comprehension. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924413317] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>I never argued otherwise. Again, reading comprehension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 07/08/19 3:29:09 PM #93:	0xDEFECADE posted... TroutPaste posted... EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. Doom wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed PC games and one that came out years after Goldeneye. My point stands. Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it. --- https://imgur.com/wMshiEN <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:924413318] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>0xDEFECADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> Doom</quote> wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed</quote> PC games and one that came out years after Goldeneye. My point stands. Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 3:32:15 PM #94:	Evening_Dragon posted... I never argued otherwise Hm if you say so. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924413470] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>I never argued otherwise</quote> Hm if you say so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 07/08/19 3:35:04 PM #95:	Veggeta X posted... Evening_Dragon posted... I never argued otherwise Hm if you say so. I mean, you can double check from the very beginning to make sure. It's bs to get ready to call fanboy on other people, then forget the point you were arguing to on about the greatness of a game. --- I exist, kind of. Two halves that don't make a whole. Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:924413604] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Evening_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>I never argued otherwise</quote> Hm if you say so.</quote> I mean, you can double check from the very beginning to make sure. It's bs to get ready to call fanboy on other people, then forget the point you were arguing to on about the greatness of a game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 07/08/19 3:39:02 PM #96:	Hey man if you're gonna agree with me why would I say otherwise? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:924413806] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Hey man if you're gonna agree with me why would I say otherwise?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 07/08/19 4:06:24 PM #97:	I mean Metroid is basically just space Zelda, and SoTN was directly inspired by Zelda, so Adventure would be fine as a genre. Maybe Sidescrolling Adventure Theres nothing really wrong with the name as is though, just like theres nothing wrong with Roguelikes >_> --- https://i.imgtc.com/8ePXf9B.gif If Yamcha would have brought his bat along he'd have blasted Jiren out of the ring like Ness in smash brothers. - Gids_goft <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:924415133] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>I mean Metroid is basically just space Zelda, and SoTN was directly inspired by Zelda, so Adventure would be fine as a genre. Maybe Sidescrolling Adventure Theres nothing really wrong with the name as is though, just like theres nothing wrong with Roguelikes >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/08/19 6:15:19 PM #98:	EffectAndCause posted... 0xDEFECADE posted... TroutPaste posted... EffectAndCause posted... OctilIery posted... Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye Goldeneye put them on the map. Doom wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed PC games and one that came out years after Goldeneye. My point stands. Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it. No, gaming in general is the map, not just consoles. But even still, goldeneye didn't make them a thing on consoles. There was no wave of fps games until after Halo. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:924420681] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>0xDEFECADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Also, lol @ thinking fps games would be named after goldeneye</quote> Goldeneye put them on the map.</quote> Doom</quote> wasn't just Doom Quake, Unreal Tournament, Half-Life and Counterstrike, Goldeneye, and Halo all contributed</quote> PC games and one that came out years after Goldeneye. My point stands. Yes, home consoles are the map, and Goldeneye put them on it.</quote> No, gaming in general is the map, not just consoles. But even still, goldeneye didn't make them a thing on consoles. There was no wave of fps games until after Halo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 07/08/19 6:20:52 PM #99:	Explortformers --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:924420915] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Explortformers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 07/08/19 6:21:58 PM #100:	Arent they called action platformers too? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:924420957] in If "m... [t:77847666]...</cite> <quote>Arent they called action platformers too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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