Current Events > Man cries and begs his girlfriend not to do the abortion outside the clinic.

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Machete posted...

Murder is literally a legal term.

Murder, especially Murder 1, implies premeditated. I'd say that abortion is premeditated; it would qualify as Murder 1 in most cases if not for lobbying and misinformation.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

No babies are being murdered though

In your opinion. In my opinion, murder is usually murder.

Apparently not because you don't seem to understand the definition of the word.
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Shablagoo posted...

Bonus being Donald is now turning refugees seeking asylum into criminals forcefully, even though seeking asylum is not against any law.

Seeking asylum may not be illegal, but it also doesn't give you the right to roam free in the United States. It comes with certain baggage. If you come to seek asylum, you're subject to the reviews and court hearings that accompany it.

It turns out that 90% of asylum seekers don't come back to court after they're released. So we need to keep an eye on them, otherwise they're just going to vanish.
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Machete posted...

Apparently not because you don't seem to understand the definition of the word.

See the post above yours ^
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

"Baby" or not, it is a human being. Or are you going to move the goalposts and suggest that babies aren't human until they're born?

No one is moving any goalpost. scientifically, its not a baby. stop calling it a baby.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Bonus being Donald is now turning refugees seeking asylum into criminals forcefully, even though seeking asylum is not against any law.

Seeking asylum may not be illegal, but it also doesn't give you the right to roam free in the United States. It comes with certain baggage. If you come to seek asylum, you're subject to the reviews and court hearings that accompany it.

It turns out that 90% of asylum seekers don't come back to court after they're released. So we need to keep an eye on them, otherwise they're just going to vanish.

Source on that?

For the record I did rail against ICE, etc. when Obama was president, too.
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funny how this energy is nowhere to be found when it comes to a humans life after they are born
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I just hope this man leaves her and finds a way to bounce back from this.

However let this man be an example of someone who wants to be a father and being completely fucked over. This dude will probably become jaded as fuck over this and yes women just lost one of the good men.

Most dudes would be cheering for an abortion and happy as fuck they are not on the hook for child support.

I also smh at the people who will or do laugh at this guy for crying as this kind of shit is why men do not show emotions, they are shamed for it.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

No one is moving any goalpost. scientifically, its not a baby. stop calling it a baby.

Scientifically, it's not labeled by many as a baby, but it has the exact same base DNA as it will have when it's born. Nothing fundamentally changes about the baby's genetics between conception and birth (or beyond). It's the same person as it will always be. There's no sudden moment where the fetus 'becomes' a person. It's always a person.
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pauIie posted...

funny how this energy is nowhere to be found when it comes to a humans life after they are born

I don't want people to murder innocents under any circumstances. Don't act like saying "don't murder babies" is the same as saying "do murder adults."
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

pauIie posted...

funny how this energy is nowhere to be found when it comes to a humans life after they are born

I don't want people to murder innocents under any circumstances. Don't act like saying "don't murder babies" is the same as saying "do murder adults."

that's not what he said, and you're still being dishonest about murder. stop.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

@UnfairRepresent posted...

You can end your relationship with someone whenever you want. No one should be forced into a relationship

So are you saying that there is no reason a person could give for a break up that would make then a shitty person?

No?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

it's the woman's decision. Not the mans, he's not carrying the baby.

This is probably the most unintentionally callous way to look at abortion that I see from the left. "He's not carrying his son because he's physically incapable, so he should--by law--be absolutely powerless to protect his son from being brutally murdered."

I'm not from the left
It's not murder

And it's a simple fact. She's carrying, not him.

You talk about callous when you're literally arguing "Men should own women's bodies and control them." which just like when KogaSteelfang and Shagaloo said it, is grotesquely horrible and cruel, especially when you try to insult others while you say it.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

that's not what he said, and you're still being dishonest about murder. stop.

He's acting like trying to prevent murder should be the same thing as trying to force taxpayers to pay for every irresponsible parent in the country. I'm of a mind that increasing employment numbers and lowering taxes will result in a better quality of life for everybody.

I don't think government handouts are the solution to poverty, but that's another argument.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

Murder is literally a legal term.

Murder, especially Murder 1, implies premeditated. I'd say that abortion is premeditated; it would qualify as Murder 1 in most cases if not for lobbying and misinformation.

What misinformation?
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He can get pregnant himself if he wants that choice.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

you're literally arguing "Men should own women's bodies and control them."

No, I'm not arguing for that at all. I'm arguing this:

While a woman is pregnant, her body is being shared by the baby inside her. That whole meme of "eating for two" is absolutely true. It's not just "her body" when there's literally another human being inside of her, connected to her physically.
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Machete posted...

What misinformation?

"A fetus isn't alive"
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Damn @UnfairRepresent at least tag me if youre going to blatantly lie about me.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

you're literally arguing "Men should own women's bodies and control them."

No, I'm not arguing for that at all. I'm arguing this:

While a woman is pregnant, her body is being shared by the baby inside her. That whole meme of "eating for two" is absolutely true. It's not just "her body" when there's literally another human being inside of her, connected to her physically.

And the other human life is completely dependent on her and is only welcome in her body as long as she wants it. Sharing implies a somewhat equal relationship.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

that's not what he said, and you're still being dishonest about murder. stop.

He's acting like trying to prevent murder should be the same thing as trying to force taxpayers to pay for every irresponsible parent in the country. I'm of a mind that increasing employment numbers and lowering taxes will result in a better quality of life for everybody.

I don't think government handouts are the solution to poverty, but that's another argument.

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hockeybub89 posted...

And the other human life is completely dependent on her and is only welcome in her body as long as she wants it. Sharing implies a somewhat equal relationship.

Her decision to engage in sexual activity is equal to her consent to share her body with a child, should one be conceived. Or rather, it should be. At some point it became easier to murder children than it is to use a condom or take birth control.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

you're literally arguing "Men should own women's bodies and control them."

No, I'm not arguing for that at all. I'm arguing this:

While a woman is pregnant, her body is being shared by the baby inside her. That whole meme of "eating for two" is absolutely true. It's not just "her body" when there's literally another human being inside of her, connected to her physically.

No it isn't true. Eating for 2 implies consuming 100% more food. In reality, the suggested increase of consumption is actually like 25-33%, so for the meme to be true, it should be "eating for 1 1/4 to 1 1/3"
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

What misinformation?

"A fetus isn't alive"

lol. Who made that claim?
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Machete posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

What misinformation?

"A fetus isn't alive"

lol. Who made that claim?

Everybody who claims that murdering a baby isn't actually murdering a baby because "it's not a baby, it's a fetus." The implication is that a fetus doesn't count because it's not alive.
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Bacteria is alive too, lol.
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Machete posted...

No it isn't true. Eating for 2 implies consuming 100% more food. In reality, the suggested increase of consumption is actually like 25-33%, so for the meme to be true, it should be "eating for 1 1/4 to 1 1/3"

...It doesn't imply 100% more food at all. It says exactly what it means--eating for two people. Are you saying that all people have identical appetites? A woman and a "living (born)" child are considered "two people" by the census, so even though the child eats significantly less than the mother on average, it's still two people eating. It's the same thing with a baby inside the womb.
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Shablagoo posted...

Bacteria is alive too, lol.

Yes, but bacteria isn't human. It's also not somebody's child.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

And the other human life is completely dependent on her and is only welcome in her body as long as she wants it. Sharing implies a somewhat equal relationship.

Her decision to engage in sexual activity is equal to her consent to share her body with a child, should one be conceived. Or rather, it should be. At some point it became easier to murder children than it is to use a condom or take birth control.

That's not how consent works. Does a woman sign up for everything sex might entail or only pregnancy?
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

What misinformation?

"A fetus isn't alive"

lol. Who made that claim?

Everybody who claims that murdering a baby isn't actually murdering a baby because "it's not a baby, it's a fetus." The implication is that a fetus doesn't count because it's not alive.

It is "alive" and human and should be aborted any time a woman doesn't want to bring a pregnancy to tern. Birth is a privilege.
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hockeybub89 posted...

That's not how consent works.

Sex makes babies. If you have sex, you should understand that there's a very real chance that you'll create a living human being as a result. The immediate response shouldn't be "well we'd better fucking kill it because I'm not giving up alcohol"
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hockeybub89 posted...

It is "alive" and human and should be aborted any time a woman doesn't want to bring a pregnancy to tern. Birth is a privilege.

Holy shit that's a spicy hot take. Jesus christ.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

What misinformation?

"A fetus isn't alive"

lol. Who made that claim?

Everybody who claims that murdering a baby isn't actually murdering a baby because "it's not a baby, it's a fetus." The implication is that a fetus doesn't count because it's not alive.

That's what you infer from it, so that makes it your opinion, not fact. If you aren't understanding what they mean, that's a you problem, not a them problem. You are just making your own definitions for words to suit your narrative. I could say that abortion is "glarblgling a fneefnogn" but that doesn't mean it is...
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

It is "alive" and human and should be aborted any time a woman doesn't want to bring a pregnancy to tern. Birth is a privilege.

Holy shit that's a spicy hot take. Jesus christ.

I hope this is a guy trolling cause if not YIKES !.
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Machete posted...

That's what you infer from it, so that makes it your opinion, not fact. If you aren't understanding what they mean, that's a you problem, not a them problem. You are just making your own definitions for words to suit your narrative.

So a fetus is alive by your definition, or am I wrong?
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

That's not how consent works.

Sex makes babies. If you have sex, you should understand that there's a very real chance that you'll create a living human being as a result. The immediate response shouldn't be "well we'd better fucking kill it because I'm not giving up alcohol"

What does society gain from forcing hundreds of thousands of children into existence to unwilling parents or state custody?
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You know what else is murder. Washing your hands. All those single cell organisms living on your skin will die once you wash your hands.
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hockeybub89 posted...

What does society gain from forcing hundreds of thousands of children into existence to unwilling parents or state custody?

It gains a larger population of citizens and a smaller number of people who have literally murdered their children.

I'd say that's a hell of a net gain.
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Tmaster148 posted...

You know what else is murder. Washing your hands. All those single cell organisms living on your skin will die once you wash your hands.

Nobody gives a shit about bacteria, this argument is fatally flawed. Single-celled organisms don't count for much. Sperm and eggs don't individually count as humans, but when they combine into their own genetic blueprint and begin to grow according to their own DNA, they become a human being.
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Shablagoo posted...

Bacteria is alive too, lol.

So are individual cells. When you bleed, you killing red blood cells that can't survive outside of your circulatory system. When you die, you are killing all of the individual cells within you :(
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So you give a shit about the cells insides some women's womb than on your own hands.

Seems like your priorities are mixed up.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

What does society gain from forcing hundreds of thousands of children into existence to unwilling parents or state custody?

It gains a larger population of citizens and a smaller number of people who have literally murdered their children.

I'd say that's a hell of a net gain.

Is it literally murder when murder is a legal term that abortion doesn't currently fall under?

Is more people being alive really a net gain in itself? You can say a shitty life is better than being dead, but never living life is better than a shitty one.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Machete posted...

No it isn't true. Eating for 2 implies consuming 100% more food. In reality, the suggested increase of consumption is actually like 25-33%, so for the meme to be true, it should be "eating for 1 1/4 to 1 1/3"

...It doesn't imply 100% more food at all. It says exactly what it means--eating for two people. Are you saying that all people have identical appetites? A woman and a "living (born)" child are considered "two people" by the census, so even though the child eats significantly less than the mother on average, it's still two people eating. It's the same thing with a baby inside the womb.

Okay, but that doesn't actually prove any point you think you are making. That's just us mutually arguing semantics.
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Women have the right to bodily autonomy

Its the same thing as the fact that I cant be forced to give blood, even if it would save someones life. Its why the government cant harvest my organs after I die.

Her body, her choice
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Machete posted...

Okay, but that doesn't actually prove any point you think you are making. That's just us mutually arguing semantics.

See, you're wrong. Like, objectively.

You say that eating for two means "eating double," when in fact, it only means "eating for two people." Two people do not necessarily eat twice as much as one person.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Her decision to engage in sexual activity is equal to her consent to share her body with a child,

No it's not.

That's absurd.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It gains a larger population of citizens and a smaller number of people who have literally murdered their children.

I'd say that's a hell of a net gain.

Then you'd be wrong, look at the poor parts of Africa that saw immense rises in HIV, death in childbirth, poverty etc when abortion was denouced by the Catholics.

It's a massive net loss. Screaming "murder" doesn't change that, it merely reveals you have no argument beyond emotionally charged words

Machete posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Bacteria is alive too, lol.

So are individual cells. When you bleed, you killing red blood cells that can't survive outside of your circulatory system. When you die, you are killing all of the individual cells within you :(

And let's not even mention masturbating
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Manages to be funny *and* cringey.
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Machete posted...

So are individual cells. When you bleed, you killing red blood cells that can't survive outside of your circulatory system. When you die, you are killing all of the individual cells within you :(

Damn, so in theory you could accept Jesus Christ right before death but then as you die youre killing millions (trillions?) of little people? :(

(They are people btw, the fact that they have DNA proves it.)
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The worst thing about abortion discussions is how many people think it's a black and white issue with no inbetween.

That's the most alarming part.
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A fetus is a guest, not a co-owner.
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