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Machete 06/18/19 6:10:21 PM #405: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...Gobstoppers12 posted...Motherhood isn't for everybody I'm adopted and the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. I would have ceased to exist before being aware of my existence. I dont believe I had any unalienable right to live. Whoever she is, she made her choice. It is what it is. Had she made any other choice, it would be what it would be. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff AKA Snoopy 06/18/19 6:10:35 PM #406: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I work with disadvantaged youth. They 100% understand their situation and are constantly in therapy for it. Dont you fucking DARE insinuate that kids are not aware and suffering due to financial situations. It is a real struggle, especially for children in the foster care system. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:10:49 PM #407: |
PleaseClap posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...PleaseClap posted... Nothing is being forced upon them. If they engage in consensual sex, pregnancy is a potential consequence. They made that decision. They created a new human life as the direct result of their own intentional action. Telling her not to kill her baby is a matter of protecting life, not forcing motherhood. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 06/18/19 6:11:35 PM #408: |
Tmaster148 posted...
Abortion does not kill kids. You should really learn biology. He has been using his own personal definitions of words to fit his narrative this entire topic. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:12:11 PM #409: |
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Of course they're aware, of course they're suffering due to financial situations...but even they can smile, can have ambitions, can express hope for the future, etc. Maybe not all? Some are worse off than others, but at least roll the dice and give them a chance to live their own way through life. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:12:50 PM #410: |
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. Holy shit lmaoooo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:13:12 PM #411: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. There are some genuinely hot takes in this topic, I'm not gonna lie. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaBreakfast 06/18/19 6:14:23 PM #412: |
'takes' like alarmist "what if you were aborted????" stuff are a lot more laughable than saying it wouldn't bother you if you were aborted [because you literally would not be aware of it]
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:14:29 PM #413: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. I honestly can't believe he said that just to "win" an argument. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 06/18/19 6:14:45 PM #414: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. why is that funny? I wouldn't have known about it, i wouldn't have felt it. sure the idea of not being here is foreign to me and i do enjoy being alive, but if my mom had a good reason to do it so be it. the whole "what if YOU were aborted!" thing isn't going to sway my opinion. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jborgan 06/18/19 6:14:57 PM #415: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. Whose alt is this? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/18/19 6:15:45 PM #416: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. Dunno why you're laughing, that's a mature response and I feel the same way. The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PleaseClap 06/18/19 6:15:46 PM #417: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted...Gobstoppers12 posted...PleaseClap posted... Again, this is a "she deserves to be punished for daring to have sex" argument --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:16:48 PM #418: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. If you can't find value in your life to the point you're okay with being aborted, then you have issues. I recommend seeing a psychiatrist. Just a suggestion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 06/18/19 6:17:26 PM #419: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...So you want children to suffer, because it's better than never existing. That stance is naive in my opinion. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkProto05 06/18/19 6:17:37 PM #420: |
We let starving and sick children die because we refuse to give them food and healthcare. Lets not pretend conservatives are anti-abortion because they care about the lives of babies/children.
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TheVipaGTS 06/18/19 6:18:02 PM #421: |
So everyone saying "She is at fault and should have the baby!"...what's your take on men who don't want the child but are forced to pay child support?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy 06/18/19 6:18:19 PM #422: |
At the end of the day you only care about the fetus coming to term. You don't care about life, you care about birth.
People like you are honestly repugnant to me. It is incomprehensible to me that there are so many people who care more about a fetus than the person they are to become. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:18:46 PM #423: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. I would be okay with that if it meant I get to live. Life is too great for me to imagine not having one. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:18:55 PM #424: |
I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place. I don't think anyone has any memories from before they were born (let alone even the 1st year of their life).
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Strider102 06/18/19 6:19:09 PM #425: |
Man this topic went to hell.
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:19:26 PM #426: |
PleaseClap posted...
It's not even close. 1.) Pregnancy isn't a punishment 2.) There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe'; a freak instance may occur, but it's the exception rather than the rule. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:19:53 PM #427: |
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:20:07 PM #428: |
Tmaster148 posted...
I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place. This same logic applies to murder victims. Now that they're dead, they don't care. They have no awareness, no understanding that they've been murdered. Fuck 'em, right? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:20:30 PM #429: |
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment? I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 06/18/19 6:20:38 PM #430: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe'; List them. --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/18/19 6:21:15 PM #431: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place. This reads like an Admiral post... --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:22:14 PM #432: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment? You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 06/18/19 6:22:24 PM #433: |
Abortion is legal and should stay legal those that are against abortion should be forced to care for all the unwanted children solves the problem tbh
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UnfairRepresent 06/18/19 6:22:48 PM #434: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific. This is where we are never going to agree I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaBreakfast 06/18/19 6:22:58 PM #435: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
This same logic applies to murder victims. ahahahaha holy shit --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PleaseClap 06/18/19 6:23:55 PM #436: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place. This is a hilarious post --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:24:10 PM #437: |
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...Tmaster148 posted...If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment? Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 06/18/19 6:24:27 PM #438: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Dying is a scary concept. If we understood it fully and it wasn't as scary anymore, maybe more people, children included, would say that. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:24:27 PM #439: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe'; Condoms + Birth Control pills (taken on schedule) Vasectomy/tubal ligation Mirena and implants like it. There are options beyond "get pregnant, then get an abortion" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 06/18/19 6:24:35 PM #440: |
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TheVipaGTS 06/18/19 6:24:53 PM #441: |
CADE FOSTER posted...
Abortion is legal and should stay legal those that are against abortion should be forced to care for all the unwanted children solves the problem tbh what's funny is most people who are against abortion are also against sex ed...Sex is a natural instinct. They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act....They completely ignore all science and facts and go straight for emotion of "OMG YOU'RE KILLING A BABY!". its so dishonest and wrong. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:25:11 PM #442: |
Machete posted...
You don't seem like you should be the one to make that decision, anyway. You don't care if they're alive or not. You literally don't even consider their wellbeing, right? Isn't that what you said? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:25:45 PM #443: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...Gobstoppers12 posted...Tmaster148 posted...If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment? Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 06/18/19 6:25:56 PM #444: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted... And how do you propose to do that? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:26:08 PM #445: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act. This describes a small number of pro-life advocates who let religion and purity get too far in their minds. I'm fully in favor of information and education on the subject, which is another aspect of my argument. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 06/18/19 6:26:59 PM #446: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...Gobstoppers12 posted... None of those are 100% effective. --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:27:00 PM #447: |
Gobstoppers12 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act. For a person who wants to inform and educate people on the subject, you sure lack basic knowledge of biology. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:27:00 PM #448: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific. I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:27:20 PM #449: |
Tmaster148 posted...
With the context that, even if some children go hungry, it is better than killing them. I'm the one suggesting that children in bad circumstances are still better off than dead children who will never experience thought, pleasure, comfort, or anything else ever again. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 06/18/19 6:27:48 PM #450: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Lord_Trevor posted...The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific. So you would rather see your mom suffer. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/18/19 6:28:29 PM #451: |
Tmaster148 posted...
It's not knowledge, it's perception. I'm aware of the biological process of reproduction, but I disagree with the common notion that "you're only a person after you've been born" --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:28:33 PM #452: |
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...Tmaster148 posted...Gobstoppers12 posted...Tmaster148 posted...If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment? But you know that's not always the case so why stick to that? A mother could want nothing in the world but a child and not be equipped to support said child. A mother could give her child up for adoption and a child could be better off for it. Stop giving a narrow minded view just to support your stance. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 06/18/19 6:29:08 PM #453: |
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. My response to you is the remainder of the post you quoted, as in the portions you neglected to include. I'm not reposting, so just read this post and know that my response to it is what I already said and you ignored. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lord_Trevor 06/18/19 6:29:16 PM #454: |
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...UnfairRepresent posted...Lord_Trevor posted...The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific. I would rather be happy I got a chance at life. Worth it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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