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Machete
06/18/19 6:10:21 PM
#405:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Motherhood isn't for everybody


So then we should let those whom motherhood is not for abort their pregnancy.

...No, no we should not. That's why adoption exists.


I'm adopted and the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me. I would have ceased to exist before being aware of my existence. I dont believe I had any unalienable right to live. Whoever she is, she made her choice. It is what it is. Had she made any other choice, it would be what it would be.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
06/18/19 6:10:35 PM
#406:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Tell that to children you are forcing into a broken system or into a life of destitution.

Kids don't normally go around telling people "I wanna die I hate being alive I wish you had killed me", even if they're hungry.


I work with disadvantaged youth. They 100% understand their situation and are constantly in therapy for it.

Dont you fucking DARE insinuate that kids are not aware and suffering due to financial situations. It is a real struggle, especially for children in the foster care system.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:10:49 PM
#407:


PleaseClap posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted...

But motherhood isn't for everyone

I'd rather see motherhood embraced by more people.

Forced upon them, more like

Nothing is being forced upon them. If they engage in consensual sex, pregnancy is a potential consequence. They made that decision. They created a new human life as the direct result of their own intentional action.

Telling her not to kill her baby is a matter of protecting life, not forcing motherhood.
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Machete
06/18/19 6:11:35 PM
#408:


Tmaster148 posted...
Abortion does not kill kids. You should really learn biology.


He has been using his own personal definitions of words to fit his narrative this entire topic.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:12:11 PM
#409:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Dont you fucking DARE insinuate that kids are not aware and suffering due to financial situations. It is a real struggle, especially for children in the foster care system.

Of course they're aware, of course they're suffering due to financial situations...but even they can smile, can have ambitions, can express hope for the future, etc. Maybe not all? Some are worse off than others, but at least roll the dice and give them a chance to live their own way through life.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:12:50 PM
#410:


Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:13:12 PM
#411:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

There are some genuinely hot takes in this topic, I'm not gonna lie.
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NinjaBreakfast
06/18/19 6:14:23 PM
#412:


'takes' like alarmist "what if you were aborted????" stuff are a lot more laughable than saying it wouldn't bother you if you were aborted [because you literally would not be aware of it]
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:14:29 PM
#413:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

There are some genuinely hot takes in this topic, I'm not gonna lie.

I honestly can't believe he said that just to "win" an argument.
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:14:45 PM
#414:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

why is that funny? I wouldn't have known about it, i wouldn't have felt it. sure the idea of not being here is foreign to me and i do enjoy being alive, but if my mom had a good reason to do it so be it. the whole "what if YOU were aborted!" thing isn't going to sway my opinion.
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jborgan
06/18/19 6:14:57 PM
#415:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

Whose alt is this?
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UnfairRepresent
06/18/19 6:15:45 PM
#416:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

Dunno why you're laughing, that's a mature response and I feel the same way.

The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.
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PleaseClap
06/18/19 6:15:46 PM
#417:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted...

But motherhood isn't for everyone

I'd rather see motherhood embraced by more people.

Forced upon them, more like

Nothing is being forced upon them. If they engage in consensual sex, pregnancy is a potential consequence. They made that decision. They created a new human life as the direct result of their own intentional action.

Telling her not to kill her baby is a matter of protecting life, not forcing motherhood.

Again, this is a "she deserves to be punished for daring to have sex" argument
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:16:48 PM
#418:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

why is that funny? I wouldn't have known about it, i wouldn't have felt it. sure the idea of not being here is foreign to me and i do enjoy being alive, but if my mom had a good reason to do it so be it. the whole "what if YOU were aborted!" thing isn't going to sway my opinion.

If you can't find value in your life to the point you're okay with being aborted, then you have issues. I recommend seeing a psychiatrist. Just a suggestion.
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Machete
06/18/19 6:17:26 PM
#419:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
So you want children to suffer, because it's better than never existing.

I don't want them to suffer. You're the one condemning them to a live of suffering and unhappiness because it justifies your position.

I want them to live. But, to your point, yes...a life filled with pain and minimal pleasure is still superior to never having lived at all.


That stance is naive in my opinion.
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DarkProto05
06/18/19 6:17:37 PM
#420:


We let starving and sick children die because we refuse to give them food and healthcare. Lets not pretend conservatives are anti-abortion because they care about the lives of babies/children.
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:18:02 PM
#421:


So everyone saying "She is at fault and should have the baby!"...what's your take on men who don't want the child but are forced to pay child support?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
06/18/19 6:18:19 PM
#422:


At the end of the day you only care about the fetus coming to term. You don't care about life, you care about birth.

People like you are honestly repugnant to me. It is incomprehensible to me that there are so many people who care more about a fetus than the person they are to become.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:18:46 PM
#423:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

Dunno why you're laughing, that's a mature response and I feel the same way.

The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that if it meant I get to live. Life is too great for me to imagine not having one.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:18:55 PM
#424:


I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place. I don't think anyone has any memories from before they were born (let alone even the 1st year of their life).
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Strider102
06/18/19 6:19:09 PM
#425:


Man this topic went to hell.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:19:26 PM
#426:


PleaseClap posted...

Again, this is a "she deserves to be punished for daring to have sex" argument

It's not even close.

1.) Pregnancy isn't a punishment

2.) There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe'; a freak instance may occur, but it's the exception rather than the rule.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:19:53 PM
#427:


If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:20:07 PM
#428:


Tmaster148 posted...
I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place.

This same logic applies to murder victims. Now that they're dead, they don't care. They have no awareness, no understanding that they've been murdered.

Fuck 'em, right?
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:20:30 PM
#429:


Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.
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Smashingpmkns
06/18/19 6:20:38 PM
#430:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe';


List them.
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UnfairRepresent
06/18/19 6:21:15 PM
#431:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place.

This same logic applies to murder victims.


This reads like an Admiral post...
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:22:14 PM
#432:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.
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CADE FOSTER
06/18/19 6:22:24 PM
#433:


Abortion is legal and should stay legal those that are against abortion should be forced to care for all the unwanted children solves the problem tbh
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UnfairRepresent
06/18/19 6:22:48 PM
#434:


Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque
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NinjaBreakfast
06/18/19 6:22:58 PM
#435:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
This same logic applies to murder victims.

ahahahaha holy shit
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PleaseClap
06/18/19 6:23:55 PM
#436:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
I find value in my life, but I still would not care in a hypothetical universe where I was aborted. You simply would never known if you existed in the first place.

This same logic applies to murder victims. Now that they're dead, they don't care. They have no awareness, no understanding that they've been murdered.

Fuck 'em, right?

This is a hilarious post
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:24:10 PM
#437:


Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.
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Machete
06/18/19 6:24:27 PM
#438:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Tell that to children you are forcing into a broken system or into a life of destitution.

Kids don't normally go around telling people "I wanna die I hate being alive I wish you had killed me", even if they're hungry.


Dying is a scary concept. If we understood it fully and it wasn't as scary anymore, maybe more people, children included, would say that.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:24:27 PM
#439:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe';


List them.

Condoms + Birth Control pills (taken on schedule)

Vasectomy/tubal ligation

Mirena and implants like it.

There are options beyond "get pregnant, then get an abortion"
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pauIie
06/18/19 6:24:35 PM
#440:


he just keeps doing the comparisons lol
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:24:53 PM
#441:


CADE FOSTER posted...
Abortion is legal and should stay legal those that are against abortion should be forced to care for all the unwanted children solves the problem tbh

what's funny is most people who are against abortion are also against sex ed...Sex is a natural instinct. They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act....They completely ignore all science and facts and go straight for emotion of "OMG YOU'RE KILLING A BABY!". its so dishonest and wrong.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:25:11 PM
#442:


Machete posted...

Dying is a scary concept. If we understood it fully and it wasn't as scary anymore, maybe more people, children included, would say that.

You don't seem like you should be the one to make that decision, anyway. You don't care if they're alive or not. You literally don't even consider their wellbeing, right? Isn't that what you said?
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:25:45 PM
#443:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.


Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.
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Machete
06/18/19 6:25:56 PM
#444:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
PleaseClap posted...

But motherhood isn't for everyone

I'd rather see motherhood embraced by more people.


And how do you propose to do that?
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:26:08 PM
#445:


TheVipaGTS posted...
They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act.

This describes a small number of pro-life advocates who let religion and purity get too far in their minds. I'm fully in favor of information and education on the subject, which is another aspect of my argument.
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Smashingpmkns
06/18/19 6:26:59 PM
#446:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
There are ways to make sex nearly 100% 'safe';


List them.

Condoms + Birth Control pills (taken on schedule)

Vasectomy/tubal ligation

Mirena and implants like it.

There are options beyond "get pregnant, then get an abortion"


None of those are 100% effective.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:27:00 PM
#447:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
They don't want to teach people how to do it safely, but also want to shame people for getting an abortion should something happen from a natural act.

This describes a small number of pro-life advocates who let religion and purity get too far in their minds. I'm fully in favor of information and education on the subject, which is another aspect of my argument.


For a person who wants to inform and educate people on the subject, you sure lack basic knowledge of biology.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:27:00 PM
#448:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:27:20 PM
#449:


Tmaster148 posted...

Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

With the context that, even if some children go hungry, it is better than killing them. I'm the one suggesting that children in bad circumstances are still better off than dead children who will never experience thought, pleasure, comfort, or anything else ever again.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:27:48 PM
#450:


Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


So you would rather see your mom suffer.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:28:29 PM
#451:


Tmaster148 posted...

For a person who wants to inform and educate people on the subject, you sure lack basic knowledge of biology.

It's not knowledge, it's perception. I'm aware of the biological process of reproduction, but I disagree with the common notion that "you're only a person after you've been born"
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:28:33 PM
#452:


Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.


Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

But you know that's not always the case so why stick to that? A mother could want nothing in the world but a child and not be equipped to support said child. A mother could give her child up for adoption and a child could be better off for it. Stop giving a narrow minded view just to support your stance.
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Machete
06/18/19 6:29:08 PM
#453:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo


My response to you is the remainder of the post you quoted, as in the portions you neglected to include. I'm not reposting, so just read this post and know that my response to it is what I already said and you ignored.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:29:16 PM
#454:


Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


So you would rather see your mom suffer.

I would rather be happy I got a chance at life. Worth it.
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