Current Events > Man cries and begs his girlfriend not to do the abortion outside the clinic.

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KogaSteelfang posted...

Machete posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

I saw a post on imgur about a state improving it's birth control education and availability, and seeing a drastic reduction in unwanted pregnancies and abortions. This says two things, abortions are in fact being used as a means of birth control, and that it's stupid for every state to not do this. It'd simply benefit everyone to make it more available and better educated people. It'd certainly reduce the need for abortions, which I feel would also reduce the pressure socially surrounding it since it'd be much less in the public eye outside of the decreased stats.

I mean, I've seen posts on imgur too. Anyone can post almost anything on imgur. What I don't see very often is people stating things as facts and citing random imgur posts as sources thinking emoji.......

I meant to say "if this is true" but I got lost in the typing process and didn't.

Ah okay. I mean birth control education and availability is certainly important, but one thing to consider is that states that are more anti-abortion also tend to be against birth control education and availability. You will not find a state that is strong in that regard while also being restrictive of abortion compared to other states.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Really... You see how she could be happy that she lost her child? That she wanted to keep. ...Uh-huh.

In that specific situation where she was about to die and now gets to live? Yeah?

You need to be more open minded.

KogaSteelfang posted...

No one said that. It was the lady, and you by extent, saying she should be happy when she literally just lost her child. Yes, her life was saved in the process, but doesn't change the fact that her baby just died and she was mourning. Have some respect.

I never said or implied anyone else should be happy. I said close to the oppostie.

I don't know about telling others how to feel.
Different people handle things differently. You can't control other people, only yourself.

Take your own advice, have some respect.

Let people deal with things their own way. If they need time and are sad, then let them mourn. If they are happy, then let them be happy.

I don't agree with your idea that women don't own their bodies and you have the right to dictate how others should feel.

You divvy your words up in poetic ways but the actual views you are claiming are very horrific, domineering and cruel.

KogaSteelfang posted...

Yeah, sure, I'm the one who doesn't value life in this situation.

Then why are you saying it's morally wrong to be happy to be alive thanks to the aid and kindness of others helping you?

The one supporting the grieving mother is the uncaring one, and the one scoffing at being upset is the caring one to you. You certainly do live up to being contrarian.

Once again you're making things up to lazily evade what people are actually saying.

It reveals your true colors.

Also, I forgot who I was talking with. You're the one who once opened a topic by saying you had proof of something, then later claimed that doesn't mean you could prove anything when people asked.

And follow up putting words in people's mouths and evading their points by (frankly very bizarre) personal attacks.

It's the mothers body. It's her choice 100% to have or not have the baby, not yours, not any mans. You have no ownership of her. Neither does the father.

You can't say otherwise and then try hide it inside sad stories and insults. That won't stop what you are saying from being cruel AND illogical. IF anything it just brings more attention to it
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Also, the question of child support is entirely separate and needs to be dealt with as such.

Abortion is a primary form of birth control in Japan, because outside of condoms no one really used anything else. But no one here really cares about it. Some superstitious people pray not to have the fetus's ghost come after them, but most people don't take it seriously (or believe in ghosts for that matter). The pill is legal but not covered by insurance, requires a prescription and has a ton of stigma (and unjustified safety concerns).

There are about 300,000 abortions a year in Japan and about 900,000 births. So that gives you an idea of how common it is here.
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Machete posted...

Ah okay. I mean birth control education and availability is certainly important, but one thing to consider is that states that are more anti-abortion also tend to be against birth control education and availability. You will not find a state that is strong in that regard while also being restrictive of abortion compared to other states.

I don't understand why though, surely preventing unwanted pregnancies and lowering abortion rates would be a good thing if you're against abortion. I don't see any negative consequences at all in further aiding safe sex, education, and birth control. That seems like the most logical first step in preventing the need for abortions.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Machete posted...

Ah okay. I mean birth control education and availability is certainly important, but one thing to consider is that states that are more anti-abortion also tend to be against birth control education and availability. You will not find a state that is strong in that regard while also being restrictive of abortion compared to other states.

I don't understand why though, surely preventing unwanted pregnancies and lowering abortion rates would be a good thing if you're against abortion. I don't see any negative consequences at all in further aiding safe sex, education, and birth control. That seems like the most logical first step in preventing the need for abortions.

Most of those people hate unmarried non-reproductive sex for religious reasons. There really isn't any logic, and they often don't seem to care what happens to the babies after they are born. They also largely support the death penalty, despite it not aligning with being pro-life or their religion.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And follow up putting words in people's mouths

The irony here is palpable.
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Video seemed fake. But even if it were real: Her body her choice. Dont like it? Wrap it up.

why do people act as if only men have to pay for the child?

ssjevot posted...

Most of those people hate unmarried non-reproductive sex for religious reasons. There really isn't any logic, and they often don't seem to care what happens to the babies after they are both. They also largely support the death penalty, despite it not aligning with being pro-life or their religion.

I'm religious myself, and I don't see how or why that's a thing. I value life, which is why I feel abortion should be the absolute last resort and seeing the current attitude over it not being a big deal is frustrating. It should ge a big deal, a life hangs in the balance. If that situation can be prevented, it should be. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Machete posted...

Ah okay. I mean birth control education and availability is certainly important, but one thing to consider is that states that are more anti-abortion also tend to be against birth control education and availability. You will not find a state that is strong in that regard while also being restrictive of abortion compared to other states.

I don't understand why though, surely preventing unwanted pregnancies and lowering abortion rates would be a good thing if you're against abortion. I don't see any negative consequences at all in further aiding safe sex, education, and birth control. That seems like the most logical first step in preventing the need for abortions.

Well you aren't wrong about that, but the states in question are, because they are ass backwards and ignore basic logic and common sense. They like forced birth and they consider conception via rape and incest to still be "gifts from bible-god" or some such nonsense. Puritanism is toxic and its existence is unfortunate.
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@UnfairRepresent

Just a quick question based on the stance you are taking in this topic. If a woman decides to have an abortion while the man would have wanted the baby, do you support the man's right to end the relationship if she has the abortion? Or do you think he would be a bad person for doing so?
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KogaSteelfang posted...

ssjevot posted...

Most of those people hate unmarried non-reproductive sex for religious reasons. There really isn't any logic, and they often don't seem to care what happens to the babies after they are both. They also largely support the death penalty, despite it not aligning with being pro-life or their religion.

I'm religious myself, and I don't see how or why that's a thing. I value life, which is why I feel abortion should be the absolute last resort and seeing the current attitude over it not being a big deal is frustrating. It should ge a big deal, a life hangs in the balance. If that situation can be prevented, it should be. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.

The attitude that it's not a big deal is fake though.
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This article seems to support @KogaSteelfang
s assertion that a lot (technically, most) of women use abortion as a form of contraceptive:

In 2014, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher researcher Rachel Jones. This proportion represents a slight decrease from 54% of abortion patients in 2000, the last time these data were examined.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became
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Sucks for him, but the option for her needs to remain open. It's her choice.
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Shablagoo posted...

This article seems to support @KogaSteelfang
?s assertion that a lot (technically, most) of women use abortion as a form of contraceptive:

In 2014, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher researcher Rachel Jones. This proportion represents a slight decrease from 54% of abortion patients in 2000, the last time these data were examined.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became

No, it supports that other forms of contraception aren't as effective as they should be.
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Shablagoo posted...

This article seems to support @KogaSteelfang
s assertion that a lot (technically, most) of women use abortion as a form of contraceptive:

In 2014, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher researcher Rachel Jones. This proportion represents a slight decrease from 54% of abortion patients in 2000, the last time these data were examined.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became

maybe I'm misreading that, but it sounds like they got pregnant despite using another form of contraceptive

edit: too late
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Also, the question of child support is entirely separate and needs to be dealt with as such.

Agreed

"I don't like child support laws so I should get ownership over your body" is a non-sequitur

Just a quick question based on the stance you are taking in this topic. If a woman decides to have an abortion while the man would have wanted the baby, do you support the man's right to end the relationship if she has the abortion? Or do you think he would be a bad person for doing so?

You can end your relationship with someone whenever you want. No one should be forced into a relationship

I'm religious myself, and I don't see how or why that's a thing. I value life, which is why I feel abortion should be the absolute last resort and seeing the current attitude over it not being a big deal is frustrating. It should ge a big deal, a life hangs in the balance. If that situation can be prevented, it should be. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.

I'm not religious but I agree with this,

The ultimate irony is everyone wants the same thing, as few abortions as possible.

What bothers me is that the best way to make it so we don't get abortions is to promote safe sexs, and as a generalization religious people are violently opposed to that
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Men need to take more responsibility when it comes to birth control. Women have been wrecking havoc on their bodies through hormones for decades. While men whine about condoms and usually refuse to wear them. That leaves the majority of the responsibility to women. But if men stepped up to the plate and owned BC for themselves, there would be less unwanted abortions.

ssjevot posted...

Abortion is a primary form of birth control in Japan, because outside of condoms no one really used anything else. But no one here really cares about it. Some superstitious people pray not to have the fetus's ghost come after them, but most people don't take it seriously (or believe in ghosts for that matter). The pill is legal but not covered by insurance, requires a prescription and has a ton of stigma (and unjustified safety concerns).

There are about 300,000 abortions a year in Japan and about 900,000 births. So that gives you an idea of how common it is here.

That is quite interesting. I was actually wondering about pills vs. abortions. While it does sound like the stigma on pills is overly dramatic there, it is true that they can cause certain health problems.

So now I wonder if there are any major risks about abortion? In theory it could be healthier to go that route than to be on the pill. I guess it would depend on how often a typical sexually active person would need to get an abortion. It seems like what youve said here about Japan might prove my theory.
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boxington posted...

Shablagoo posted...

This article seems to support @KogaSteelfang
s assertion that a lot (technically, most) of women use abortion as a form of contraceptive:

In 2014, about half (51%) of abortion patients in the United States reported that they had used a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, according to a new analysis by Guttmacher researcher Rachel Jones. This proportion represents a slight decrease from 54% of abortion patients in 2000, the last time these data were examined.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became

maybe I'm misreading that, but it sounds like they got pregnant despite using another form of contraceptive

edit: too late

Right, but then used abortion as an emergency form once the first contraceptive failed, no?
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Cleo_II posted...

Men need to take more responsibility when it comes to birth control. Women have been wrecking havoc on their bodies through hormones for decades. While men whine about condoms and usually refuse to wear them. That leaves the majority of the responsibility to women. But if men stepped up to the plate and owned BC for themselves, there would be less unwanted abortions.

Condoms could also be better made and have more varied sizes, and be way less expensive.

But I do agree.
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Cleo_II posted...

Men need to take more responsibility when it comes to birth control. Women have been wrecking havoc on their bodies through hormones for decades. While men whine about condoms and usually refuse to wear them. That leaves the majority of the responsibility to women. But if men stepped up to the plate and owned BC for themselves, there would be less unwanted abortions.

There are lots of women who don't like condoms, and there's nothing stopping a woman from telling the man that she won't have sex with him unless he wears a condom.
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It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Shablagoo posted...

But I do agree.

P.S. But only in principle, not in personal practice. >_>

Maybe thatd change if they started making better condoms and more types available and easily obtainable.

And as said, yeah, sometimes both tango partners dont want to use them.
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Shablagoo posted...

ssjevot posted...

Abortion is a primary form of birth control in Japan, because outside of condoms no one really used anything else. But no one here really cares about it. Some superstitious people pray not to have the fetus's ghost come after them, but most people don't take it seriously (or believe in ghosts for that matter). The pill is legal but not covered by insurance, requires a prescription and has a ton of stigma (and unjustified safety concerns).

There are about 300,000 abortions a year in Japan and about 900,000 births. So that gives you an idea of how common it is here.

That is quite interesting. I was actually wondering about pills vs. abortions. While it does sound like the stigma on pills is overly dramatic there, it is true that they can cause certain health problems.

So now I wonder if there are any major risks about abortion? In theory it could be healthier to go that route than to be on the pill. I guess it would depend on how often a typical sexually active person would need to get an abortion. It seems like what youve said here about Japan might prove my theory.

I think the abortion rate in America is over twice as high (like 20 per 1000 women versus 9 per 1000 women or something like that), but the average American is also having a lot more sex than the average Japanese. I can't remember the stats but it isn't just that more people are in relationships in America, it's that they have on average around three times as much sex in a year. Should be able to find most of this by Googling. I might try to hunt some of it down again tomorrow.
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Fam_Fam posted...

why do people act as if only men have to pay for the child?

Yeah, it's a weird argument and I keep seeing it for some reason.

Shouldn't have cuffed a THOT
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Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Nice, yeah this was basically my view as well, given the context we have.
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Fake News

Laura Ingraham
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Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Someone has to be the bad guy in this black-and-white situation
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Cleo_II posted...

Men need to take more responsibility when it comes to birth control. Women have been wrecking havoc on their bodies through hormones for decades. While men whine about condoms and usually refuse to wear them. That leaves the majority of the responsibility to women. But if men stepped up to the plate and owned BC for themselves, there would be less unwanted abortions.

There are lots of women who don't like condoms, and there's nothing stopping a woman from telling the man that she won't have sex with him unless he wears a condom.

I like how youre trying to put the responsibility back on women.

Men can also choose to make sure the woman is taking birth control on time every day. Men can also choose not to have unprotected sex with a woman they arent sure is on BC, etc.

The point is that it should be 50/50 responsibility but its not.

ssjevot posted...

I think the abortion rate in America is over twice as high (like 20 per 1000 women versus 9 per 1000 women or something like that), but the average American is also having a lot more sex than the average Japanese. I can't remember the stats but it isn't just that more people are in relationships in America, it's that they have on average around three times as much sex in a year. Should be able to find most of this by Googling. I might try to hunt some of it down again tomorrow.

Ah, intriguing, thanks, I might do some digging of my own.

P.S. I was sitting here thinking, Tomorrow? Why not today? and then remembered oh duh youre in Japan, lol. (Its 8:53am where I am right now.)
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You can end your relationship with someone whenever you want. No one should be forced into a relationship

So are you saying that there is no reason a person could give for a break up that would make then a shitty person?
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It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

No one was attacking the guy.

No one is criticizing the guy for "having emotions."

They're criticzing using a (possibly fake) video of an emotional screaming man trying to manipulate others as an argument for taking ownership of someone else's body and guilt the people who rightly point out how wrong and stupid that sentiment is.

Nice, yeah this was basically my view as well, given the context we have.

No your view was to lie about what people said and then rant about her having pre sex contracts about carrying.

You then made up a bunch of potential scenarios to downplay how what he is doing could be not as bad as it looks and ran away from what everyone was saying....

Why you so dishonest?

Why are you so utterly terrified that if you talk open and honestly with people that no one will listen to what you have to say?
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spudger posted...

Fake News

Laura Ingraham

It looked fake AF. But this confirms it.

Its also rich hypocrisy coming from the people who usually mock men relentlessly for crying (eg lmao!!! Crying chuck cried because he saw a bunch of babies dying in the cages we set up for them! What a girly loser! Hahahaha) even for say, mass deaths of babies (again, the crying chuck thing) and now acting as if they felt any sympathy for this guy

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Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Someone has to be the bad guy in this black-and-white situation

It doesnt help that one side has made fun of men for having emotions for decades, and now suddenly they pretend to care about the emotions of this one guy.

Hawaiian_punch posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Someone has to be the bad guy in this black-and-white situation

It doesnt help that one side has made fun of men for having emotions for decades, and now suddenly they pretend to care about the emotions of this one guy.

No one ever made fun of men for crying about death or other serious issues
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Someone has to be the bad guy in this black-and-white situation

It doesnt help that one side has made fun of men for having emotions for decades, and now suddenly they pretend to care about the emotions of this one guy.

No one ever made fun of men for crying about death or other serious issues

Did you read my previous post?

Cryin chuck . Nuff said

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Lyrica posted...

It's her decision, but I don't understand why people here are attacking the guy for having emotions. That's stupid. It obviously affects him too. It's not like he's there cursing her out or threatening her; he's pleading for his child. I don't understand people sometimes.

Someone has to be the bad guy in this black-and-white situation

It doesnt help that one side has made fun of men for having emotions for decades, and now suddenly they pretend to care about the emotions of this one guy.

No one ever made fun of men for crying about death or other serious issues

Lol thats a joke right
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Lol I can see him dumping all the parenting on to her while he is out getting drunk

guy sounds seedy and controlling af
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Why are you so utterly terrified that if you talk open and honestly with people that no one will listen to what you have to say?

Can I quote this in my sig?
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mattnd2007 posted...

Lol. K. Just going to completely ignore the rest of the post. Good day sir.

he fuckin destroyed you guy
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Cleo_II posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Cleo_II posted...

Men need to take more responsibility when it comes to birth control. Women have been wrecking havoc on their bodies through hormones for decades. While men whine about condoms and usually refuse to wear them. That leaves the majority of the responsibility to women. But if men stepped up to the plate and owned BC for themselves, there would be less unwanted abortions.

There are lots of women who don't like condoms, and there's nothing stopping a woman from telling the man that she won't have sex with him unless he wears a condom.

I like how you?re trying to put the responsibility back on women.

Men can also choose to make sure the woman is taking birth control on time every day. Men can also choose not to have unprotected sex with a woman they aren?t sure is on BC, etc.

The point is that it should be 50/50 responsibility but it?s not.

I mean, you aren't going to get any honest, genuine discussion from that user on account of his inability to break character on his gimmick...
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Oh thank god. At first I read that as the guy begging her not to perform the abortion on herself right ouside the clinic.

Thats how I first read it, too.
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Sariana21 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Oh thank god. At first I read that as the guy begging her not to perform the abortion on herself right ouside the clinic.

Thats how I first read it, too.

Lol, I wonder what sort of view someone would have to espouse to attempt a demonstration like that. Would probably confuse the hell out of the anti-abortion protesters on the other side of the street.
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It shouldnt have even come to this. These talks should be done before any of this pops up. The woman is irresponsible here. She shouldve bailed on this pathetic embarrassing man long before then.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

No one ever made fun of men for crying about death or other serious issues

Uuuhhhhh

GiftedACIII posted...

She shouldve bailed on this pathetic embarrassing man long before then.

Lmao

Hawaiian_punch posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

No one ever made fun of men for crying about death or other serious issues

Uuuhhhhh

GiftedACIII posted...

She shouldve bailed on this pathetic embarrassing man long before then.

Lmao

This has nothing to do with men crying and everything to do with this idiot treating abortion like killing an actual child. If a woman was doing this theyd be equally pathetic and embarrassing.
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