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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:29:40 PM
#455:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.


Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

But you know that's not always the case so why stick to that? A mother could want nothing in the world but a child and not be equipped to support said child. A mother could give her child up for adoption and a child could be better off for it. Stop giving a narrow minded view just to support your stance.


Adoption isn't much better for the child. Stop pretending it's some magical option that gives a child a magical life when most of them just end up living in a foster home without any real parental figures in their life.
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:29:44 PM
#456:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...

For a person who wants to inform and educate people on the subject, you sure lack basic knowledge of biology.

It's not knowledge, it's perception. I'm aware of the biological process of reproduction, but I disagree with the common notion that "you're only a person after you've been born"

"i'm aware of the scientific facts but i disagree with them". you're wrong dude...this isn't a matter of opinion its a matter of fact, and you're arguing against FACTS.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:30:30 PM
#457:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...

For a person who wants to inform and educate people on the subject, you sure lack basic knowledge of biology.

It's not knowledge, it's perception. I'm aware of the biological process of reproduction, but I disagree with the common notion that "you're only a person after you've been born"


So basically you don't know shit about biology and want to push your own opinions instead of being informed.
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Strider102
06/18/19 6:31:21 PM
#458:


I just think both parties should be more responsible. Actually communicate with your partner and tell why you do or don't want a child. If the woman doesn't want a child the man should have to take steps to ensure pregnancy doesn't occur and if he doesn't the woman should tell him if he's not going to respect her wishes then nothing is going to happen, same situation for men who don't want to be fathers.
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Gobstoppers12
06/18/19 6:32:07 PM
#459:


Since this topic is approaching 500, and I have absolutely no intention of carrying this argument into a second topic, I'm gonna make my final post:

I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan

Children have the right to life. Exceptions can be made for extreme circumstances, especially when the mother did not consent to the sexual encounter that conceived the child.

Sex comes with responsibilities. I didn't make it that way, but it is that way. Education and understanding is key. Know the risks, make the preparations, be safe, don't punish your child for your mistakes.
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PleaseClap
06/18/19 6:32:34 PM
#460:


Gobstoppers12 posted...

I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan

whoa man that's so deep it really makes you think
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:32:54 PM
#462:


Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.


Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

But you know that's not always the case so why stick to that? A mother could want nothing in the world but a child and not be equipped to support said child. A mother could give her child up for adoption and a child could be better off for it. Stop giving a narrow minded view just to support your stance.


Adoption isn't much better for the child. Stop pretending it's some magical option that gives a child a magical life when most of them just end up living in a foster home without any real parental figures in their life.

How do you know that? There are adopted children who have thrived. Adoption is a valid choice in giving a child a better life.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/18/19 6:33:10 PM
#463:


Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


So you would rather see your mom suffer.


Really makes you worry how he treats his wife, and possibly daughters.
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:33:49 PM
#464:


It is NOT a child at that point. stop being dishonest, stop going against facts for your own agenda. you're against abortion and that's cool, but stop using lies to justify your stance. find a way to justify it truthfully. holy hell...
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:34:16 PM
#465:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


So you would rather see your mom suffer.


Really makes you worry how he treats his wife, and possibly daughters.

Like Queens. Anything else?
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DemonsHoles
06/18/19 6:34:29 PM
#466:


Pretty much all of you need to shut the fuck up
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/18/19 6:35:45 PM
#467:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


So you would rather see your mom suffer.


Really makes you worry how he treats his wife, and possibly daughters.

Like Queens. Anything else?


Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.
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Tmaster148
06/18/19 6:36:36 PM
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Machete
06/18/19 6:36:36 PM
#469:


NinjaBreakfast posted...
'takes' like alarmist "what if you were aborted????" stuff are a lot more laughable than saying it wouldn't bother you if you were aborted [because you literally would not be aware of it]


Yeah. It's not like I would have been all "oh fuck I'm being aborted! The pain is unbearable! I want to live! Stop aborting me! Wait, what language am I speaking? How do I know words? When did I start existing? Where even am I? I can't see anything. Are my eyes even formed yet? Now I've gone and confused myself :(" during the process. If I stopped existing before I was aware that I exist, what would I have definitively lost? Note, definitively, not speculatively.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:39:02 PM
#470:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.

You must be the star of your debate club
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/18/19 6:40:54 PM
#471:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.

You must be the star of your debate club


>shit-posts flagrantly
>expects to be taken seriously

Right, so whose alt are you anyway?
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:46:09 PM
#472:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.

You must be the star of your debate club


>shit-posts flagrantly
>expects to be taken seriously

Right, so whose alt are you anyway?

You have no argument. Got it.
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Prestoff
06/18/19 6:47:15 PM
#473:


I think some of you guys need to do more research when making the claims you do. If you actually understand the adoption system and how broken it is, you will understand why using it as a magic answer to abortion just looks silly. There are much better options than adoption, one of the best options (though definitely not for everyone for obvious reasons) is having a grandma/mom/or someone more experience in taking care of your baby while you're out working or going to school. This has shown to be one of the more successful options (hell works if you're married and inexperience with baby/children handling). Because honestly taking care of a baby is a shit ton of work that I think some people here take very lightly. I know I had to learn how to change a baby's diaper at the age of 5 because my mom had a twin.

I'm anti-abortion (hence why I will always tell a woman to seek other options before going to abortion), but I'm also pro-choice in that taking away a woman's right to her body is even a worst precedent.
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Cornmuffins
06/18/19 6:49:17 PM
#474:


This has gotta be the fastest 500 topic we've had around here in a while. Nice work tc!
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TheVipaGTS
06/18/19 6:49:43 PM
#475:


I mean its just odd to me..."don't get an abortion! instead do this, this and this! (refuses to help fund "this this and this")"...
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/18/19 6:49:48 PM
#476:


Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.

You must be the star of your debate club


>shit-posts flagrantly
>expects to be taken seriously

Right, so whose alt are you anyway?

You have no argument. Got it.


Neither do you, apparently, but at least I'm not suffering from delusions and I'm capable of stepping up on my main.
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IfGodCouldDie
06/18/19 6:50:27 PM
#477:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
@UnfairRepresent posted...
Dumping her at the alter because you just fucked her sister and father.

I don't know. Could be a myriad of reasons.

So then I'll ask my original question again, do you think a man dumping a woman because she got an abortion makes him a shitty person?

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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 6:57:39 PM
#478:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Uh huh, suuuure you do.

This is of course assuming they'r even real in the first place though.

You must be the star of your debate club


>shit-posts flagrantly
>expects to be taken seriously

Right, so whose alt are you anyway?

You have no argument. Got it.


Neither do you, apparently, but at least I'm not suffering from delusions and I'm capable of stepping up on my main.

And how exactly am I deluded. By all means, sit in your armchair from wherever you are and tell me about my life since you know it so well.
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Irony
06/18/19 6:58:56 PM
#479:


Dump her
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 7:01:12 PM
#480:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
@UnfairRepresent posted...
Dumping her at the alter because you just fucked her sister and father.

I don't know. Could be a myriad of reasons.

So then I'll ask my original question again, do you think a man dumping a woman because she got an abortion makes him a shitty person?

Perfectly reasonable. Abortion should still be something that's discussed in a relationship and come to a decision that both parties should agree on. If there are disagreements on the subject, it's perfectly reasonable to split.
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Hop103
06/18/19 7:06:47 PM
#481:


That woman is both suicidal and homicidal, she needs help.
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LeadPipeCinche
06/18/19 7:13:36 PM
#483:


LightningAce11 posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/KayFellowz/status/1140215755881025536

Thoughts?


Should've done it right there on the sidewalk in front of everyone.

That'd get every body goin
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IfGodCouldDie
06/18/19 7:28:20 PM
#484:


Lord_Trevor posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
@UnfairRepresent posted...
Dumping her at the alter because you just fucked her sister and father.

I don't know. Could be a myriad of reasons.

So then I'll ask my original question again, do you think a man dumping a woman because she got an abortion makes him a shitty person?

Perfectly reasonable. Abortion should still be something that's discussed in a relationship and come to a decision that both parties should agree on. If there are disagreements on the subject, it's perfectly reasonable to split.

I agree 100%, but I want UR's opinion based on his stance and the things he has said in this topic.
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 7:39:00 PM
#485:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
When people post videos of blacks people
Getting shot by a cop do you go like shooting people who comply with you is fucking murder? No?

A large majority of cases like this are misrepresented by the media to paint the cops as the bad guys. The situations where the cop blatantly commits murder are rare, and when they are proven (beyond a shadow of a doubt) I am more than happy to agree with the decision.

Hawaiian_punch posted...
When babies die in the baby concentration camps that 45 is sending them to, do you say the murder line? No?

Chill your shit out, bro. They're not concentration camps, and if/when people die inside them, it's not because they're being killed--it's because they die as the result of the journey they took to illegally infiltrate our country without permission. They have a choice--come to America and face the system, or stay home and don't.

Babies inside their mother's womb don't have a choice. They don't get to speak. They don't get to consent to their own fucking murder.


Lmao
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Machete
06/18/19 7:44:08 PM
#486:


Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


the problem with your logic is that you are applying your own perspective to the conversation from your own life experience, and you would not have that perspective or life experience at the time of abortion. It's just downright silly that you would criticize my stance when it is formed on the pretense that I'm looking at it from the perspective of my fetus/embryo self and removing all of my life experience from the equation because it would not have happened at all in that scenario. I'm making peace with an outcome that could have happened to me, based on the perspective (though more accurate to say lack of perspective) I would have had at the time. I'm not ungrateful for my life in the slightest. I'm just not disingenuous as to say I would have "lost" any of it had I been aborted. I simply would have not gained any of it. I was never entitled to it in the first place and it only happened because a different choice was made. I'm not going to use this timeline to justify the fact that a different timeline did not in reality occur. I hope that you can understand my post better having this one for context.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 7:44:26 PM
#487:


McgeesAlice808 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


Sounds like youre insecure and trying to reassure yourself.

Insecure of what?
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Machete
06/18/19 7:45:57 PM
#488:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...

Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

With the context that, even if some children go hungry, it is better than killing them. I'm the one suggesting that children in bad circumstances are still better off than dead children who will never experience thought, pleasure, comfort, or anything else ever again.


why was the bolded portion included in that post? It does not belong there and is factually false.
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 7:48:22 PM
#489:


Machete posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
The idea of my mother or any woman being forced against her to will to carry a child and having no control over her own body or life is horrific.

I would be okay with that


This is where we are never going to agree

I can never be okay with ownership of someone elses body and I find the notion grotesque

I'm not going to say I'm okay with the thought of being aborted when I'm enjoying life. I have a wife. I have kids. I have a great job. So if my mother had to deal with an uncomfortable 9 months instead of ending my time in the womb, I would be okay with that. Sorry but not sorry.


the problem with your logic is that you are applying your own perspective to the conversation from your own life experience, and you would not have that perspective or life experience at the time of abortion. It's just downright silly that you would criticize my stance when it is formed on the pretense that I'm looking at it from the perspective of my fetus/embryo self and removing all of my life experience from the equation because it would not have happened at all in that scenario. I'm making peace with an outcome that could have happened to me, based on the perspective (though more accurate to say lack of perspective) I would have had at the time. I'm not ungrateful for my life in the slightest. I'm just not disingenuous as to say I would have "lost" any of it had I been aborted. I simply would have not gained any of it. I was never entitled to it in the first place and it only happened because a different choice was made. I'm not going to use this timeline to justify the fact that a different timeline did not in reality occur. I hope that you can understand my post better having this one for context.

I'm still laughing at you.
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 7:51:41 PM
#490:


Lmao this topic is still going
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jborgan
06/18/19 7:53:19 PM
#491:


Lord_Trevor posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

why is that funny? I wouldn't have known about it, i wouldn't have felt it. sure the idea of not being here is foreign to me and i do enjoy being alive, but if my mom had a good reason to do it so be it. the whole "what if YOU were aborted!" thing isn't going to sway my opinion.

If you can't find value in your life to the point you're okay with being aborted, then you have issues. I recommend seeing a psychiatrist. Just a suggestion.

Are you using an alt because your reading comprehension sucks?
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 7:54:09 PM
#492:


To 500!
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Lord_Trevor
06/18/19 7:56:10 PM
#493:


jborgan posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Machete posted...
the fact that I could have been aborted is fine by me.

Holy shit lmaoooo

why is that funny? I wouldn't have known about it, i wouldn't have felt it. sure the idea of not being here is foreign to me and i do enjoy being alive, but if my mom had a good reason to do it so be it. the whole "what if YOU were aborted!" thing isn't going to sway my opinion.

If you can't find value in your life to the point you're okay with being aborted, then you have issues. I recommend seeing a psychiatrist. Just a suggestion.

Are you using an alt because your reading comprehension sucks?

Did an alt inappropriately touch multiple users on this board or something?
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Machete
06/18/19 8:00:22 PM
#494:


Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Lord_Trevor posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
If pregnancy isn't a punishment, why are you trying to force it on people as a punishment?

I'm not. I just want babies to survive rather than be killed.


You are. You would much rather force a women to give birth and see the child starve then let a women abort a pregnancy she for a child she knows she can't support.

Why do you keep saying let the child "starve" as if a child born from a woman who can't support it would starve. This line of thinking is why you destroy your own argument.


Because Gobstopper specifically mention children going hungry.

But you know that's not always the case so why stick to that? A mother could want nothing in the world but a child and not be equipped to support said child. A mother could give her child up for adoption and a child could be better off for it. Stop giving a narrow minded view just to support your stance.


Adoption isn't much better for the child. Stop pretending it's some magical option that gives a child a magical life when most of them just end up living in a foster home without any real parental figures in their life.


It's worth noting that I have no serious complaints about my own situation. I was adopted at 2 months old. I was never lied to about it. I was never in the system. Any negative thing within my family dynamic at any point in my life was FAR from exclusive to kids put up for adoption. That being said, I've always had a sense of something missing and identity issues. As much as my parents have done for me and as much as I appreciate them, I've never truly bonded with another human being in any meaningful way. I'm not "cut from the same cloth" so to speak as anyone I've ever met. It just doesn't matter how many times I'm told that I should never feel alone because I'm not alone, there is a deep-rooted sense of aloneness that I've never been able to shake, no matter how accepted or loved I'm led to feel. I'm just not on the same wavelength. I don't know if that's common for adopted people or if it's just some complex I've developed, but I'm beyond the point where I can imagine what life would be like without it. I'm not speaking about it as a means to push for abortion, but rather as a confirmation of what was said in the post I'm responding to, that even under ideal circumstances, adoption is not some magical option... and even if it was, I'm saying this more as the rule than the exception.
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andel
06/18/19 8:01:18 PM
#495:


almost 500 what a shitshow
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Machete
06/18/19 8:02:43 PM
#497:


PleaseClap posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...

I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born. - Ronald Reagan

whoa man that's so deep it really makes you think


and here I am posting some pretty serious personal shit on Current Events board on Gamefaqs.gamespot.com like it might actually mean anything to anyone -_-
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 8:02:51 PM
#498:


Lol
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Hawaiian_punch
06/18/19 8:02:57 PM
#499:


500!
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Austin_Era_II
06/18/19 8:03:33 PM
#500:


K
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