Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 2: The SOLE SURVIVOR

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And now, getting in the car. I'll catch back up when I can.
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Obellisk posted...

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.

Assume I'm scum, what does that say about Tom's alignment?

Says he's town. But I haven't decided that on my own yet. I won't default someone town based on a read on another player. It leads me to bad assumptions. You or red flip scum and that defaults Tom to town. Till that time I will continue to follow how he interacts.

This shows you don't know me well. If I'm scum, then I know Tom is town and I'd never come out and vote for Tom unless it was going to give me a win. Tom and I have never ever tried to get the other one lynched based on roommate powers as scum. Could I be doing that for the first time right now? Sure I could, but it would be the first time ever.

If I'm scum and I'm voting for Tom, then it means I'm bussing him. So, if you're right and I'm scum then that would mean that Tom is scum and according to you so is Red.
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5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

Btw you never answered me either when I replied to your deflection accusations
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Obellisk posted...

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

You think there was no explanation?

Leafeon13N posted...

Obellisk posted...

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

You think there was no explanation?

I didn't see one.

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.

Assume I'm scum, what does that say about Tom's alignment?

Says he's town. But I haven't decided that on my own yet. I won't default someone town based on a read on another player. It leads me to bad assumptions. You or red flip scum and that defaults Tom to town. Till that time I will continue to follow how he interacts.

This shows you don't know me well. If I'm scum, then I know Tom is town and I'd never come out and vote for Tom unless it was going to give me a win. Tom and I have never ever tried to get the other one lynched based on roommate powers as scum. Could I be doing that for the first time right now? Sure I could, but it would be the first time ever.

If I'm scum and I'm voting for Tom, then it means I'm bussing him. So, if you're right and I'm scum then that would mean that Tom is scum and according to you so is Red.

I don't know you at all actually.
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htaeD posted...

5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

Btw you never answered me either when I replied to your deflection accusations

Your issue was more a case of sucking up which weve already covered multiple times. This is a pretty pathetic attempt to try and push attention back on by bringing up something that I just talked about. This isnt a ranking topic where you all line up and ask say me next. I think SBell is town but I still absolutely think you and Scare are scum.

Obellisk posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Obellisk posted...

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

You think there was no explanation?

I didn't see one.

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.

Assume I'm scum, what does that say about Tom's alignment?

Says he's town. But I haven't decided that on my own yet. I won't default someone town based on a read on another player. It leads me to bad assumptions. You or red flip scum and that defaults Tom to town. Till that time I will continue to follow how he interacts.

This shows you don't know me well. If I'm scum, then I know Tom is town and I'd never come out and vote for Tom unless it was going to give me a win. Tom and I have never ever tried to get the other one lynched based on roommate powers as scum. Could I be doing that for the first time right now? Sure I could, but it would be the first time ever.

If I'm scum and I'm voting for Tom, then it means I'm bussing him. So, if you're right and I'm scum then that would mean that Tom is scum and according to you so is Red.

I don't know you at all actually.

We have played together at least once. Maybe only once.
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Sbell has been around forever would be surprised if you hadn't.

htaeD posted...

Eaed was pretty inactive last game too.
5tar is new. (At least I presume so), and I dont think we should ever dayvig/gladiate a new guy anyway.

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I wouldnt want your role to target someone who I am not sure will even show up to claim either. Though its too early to judge that.

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

Nah, just seeing a person on the scum board doesn't negate thinking he might be new. I don't think Death is scum. But if he flips scum, I'm not ok with that immediately clearing 5tar.
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pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Eaed was pretty inactive last game too.
5tar is new. (At least I presume so), and I dont think we should ever dayvig/gladiate a new guy anyway.

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I wouldnt want your role to target someone who I am not sure will even show up to claim either. Though its too early to judge that.

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

Nah, just seeing a person on the scum board doesn't negate thinking he might be new. I don't think Death is scum. But if he flips scum, I'm not ok with that immediately clearing 5tar.

He would have known his actual name on the scumboard.

Pez is interesting.

Seems to be hiding behind town shouldn't do these things comments over and over and over to appear to be town. While also ignoring things a lot (notice how he ignored all the scare contradiction talk?), while also trying to dispell obvious reads (death / star can't be scum together) with poor reasoning.

I want this guy to be town, but I think you should all be super weary of him. He would be a great scan choice.
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For the record, death knows who 5tarscream is and has played with him multiple times and would know him by his name. He just didn't piece together 5tar and 5tarscream were the same person at first which he would have when meeting his team on the scumboard.
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Corrik7 posted...

pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Eaed was pretty inactive last game too.
5tar is new. (At least I presume so), and I dont think we should ever dayvig/gladiate a new guy anyway.

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I wouldnt want your role to target someone who I am not sure will even show up to claim either. Though its too early to judge that.

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

Nah, just seeing a person on the scum board doesn't negate thinking he might be new. I don't think Death is scum. But if he flips scum, I'm not ok with that immediately clearing 5tar.

He would have known his actual name on the scumboard.

Pez is interesting.

Seems to be hiding behind town shouldn't do these things comments over and over and over to appear to be town. While also ignoring things a lot (notice how he ignored all the scare contradiction talk?), while also trying to dispell obvious reads (death / star can't be scum together) with poor reasoning.

I want this guy to be town, but I think you should all be super weary of him. He would be a great scan choice.

I just read through all of 5tar's posts and I was about to do Scare next lol. I assume it'll take longer though. 5tar hadn't commented much in topic 1 so it was kind of a short read.

As for 5tar's posts. Not much content. Accused both SBell and Death of deflecting. Accused Death of sucking up. One thing I found interesting,

5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

5tarscream posted...

SBell cant possibly be this obvious and scum. I actually think hes just playing poorly as town because hes trying too hard to make up for a bad game and hes being manipulated. Youre calling me out saying I havent done any scum hunting but all youve done is follow Scares lead.
What makes you think Pez and red are scum? If you think they are scum then why do you think Tom is null instead of town?
What do you think about Ulti trying to draw Corriks dayvig?

So, I find this interesting because a common move by scum is to take a town person that has looked a little scummy or has simply had a lot of people call him scummy and then find a reason to declare him town. That reason generally doesn't have to have a lot of meat on the bone. But they can be confident of their read because they know who scum is.

If SBell flips town at some point in the future remember this.
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Corrik7 posted...

For the record, death knows who 5tarscream is and has played with him multiple times and would know him by his name. He just didn't piece together 5tar and 5tarscream were the same person at first which he would have when meeting his team on the scumboard.

Oh ok, that makes more sense why you were so sure.
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5tarscream posted...

htaeD posted...

5tarscream posted...

Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

Btw you never answered me either when I replied to your deflection accusations

Your issue was more a case of sucking up which weve already covered multiple times. This is a pretty pathetic attempt to try and push attention back on by bringing up something that I just talked about. This isnt a ranking topic where you all line up and ask say me next. I think SBell is town but I still absolutely think you and Scare are scum.

Kinda convenient that I adress one issue and then the other becomes more relevant anyway.
And you dont get to dictate when I bring up stuff. The topic was raised and it reminded me of your points against me, so I reminded you as well.
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T minus 124 minutes, Death. If you intend to claim to avert the power, your time is running out. Depending on your claim and time you leave remaining to the deadline to find another target will dictate whether I use the power on you or not.
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5tars reasons for calling sbell scum in the first place didnt make sense anyway.

Thats what I thought at the time too, and I am kicking myself for not bringing it up then. Was too distracted by his accusation against me. (and it was very late, in my european defense)
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Corrik7 posted...

T minus 124 minutes, Death. If you intend to claim to avert the power, your time is running out. Depending on your claim and time you leave remaining to the deadline to find another target will dictate whether I use the power on you or not.

Hey Corrik
Do you think Pez is scum who wants me to not claim so they can janitor me at night?

This was a random thought.
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

T minus 124 minutes, Death. If you intend to claim to avert the power, your time is running out. Depending on your claim and time you leave remaining to the deadline to find another target will dictate whether I use the power on you or not.

Hey Corrik
Do you think Pez is scum who wants me to not claim so they can janitor me at night?

This was a random thought.

I have considered a janitor in the reasoning. I was earlier in the game gonna say if a janitor happens night 1 then Pez is scum. But, I thought if that ended up happening then I would look scum as fuck lol.
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Well If it happens, I guess its a good thing I was the one to say it!

Still nowhere near enough for me to stop leaning town on pez though.
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Also while I am still half expecting this gladiator thing to be a fake. I am surprised not more players at least gave their two cents about it.
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Only half?

Votals
Tom(3): Puns, (igcd), pezlo, Red
Death(2): Corrik, Panthra
NoLynch(1): (Tom), Tom, (Pez)
Sbell(1): han, (scare), Ulti
5tar(1):Scare, SBell
Pez(1): IGCD
Ulit(1): eaed
Han(0): (Corrik), (Sbell)
mzero(0): (Tom) (Corrik)
Corrik(0): (Ulti)
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I have also considered some people are trying to bait me into using it as well. I see all angles, Death.

The question though for you is what are you gonna do.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Only half?

I always assume the most painful outcome when it comes to Corrik.
And I wonder if some players are treating it as a joke so they can keep their hands clean.
If Corrik is town, scum will have no way of knowing for sure either. So they would be content to ignore Corrik and let him target me.
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Corrik7 posted...

I have also considered some people are trying to bait me into using it as well. I see all angles, Death.

The question though for you is what are you gonna do.

I am still saying no to me claiming.
Partially out of spite mind you, which I know is a bad thing.
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As for right now, since I dont know how much time I have away from 'the company'. I will try to make sense of this Red/Tom/Pez business.
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Scum would most likely try and challenge me as a liar to try and piss me off and bait me into using it if I am looking at town. Then afterwards just call me an idiot and say they assumed I was faking and not that much of a moron.

So, if you are town Death, those people would be suspect.
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I have also considered some people are trying to bait me into using it as well. I see all angles, Death.

The question though for you is what are you gonna do.

I am still saying no to me claiming.
Partially out of spite mind you, which I know is a bad thing.

That's fine. I have alrdy told the host to expect a tag for when I trigger it. I will get your claim from your cold dead fingers then.
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You talk as if your tag will immediately silence me.
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htaeD posted...

You talk as if your tag will immediately silence me.

I don't care for anything you say after the deed is done. And, I highly doubt town is gonna waste 36 hours stagnated on a set Lynch. So, in a way, yes. You will talk, but it will be your last dying words.
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Corrik7 posted...

Scum would most likely try and challenge me as a liar to try and piss me off and bait me into using it if I am looking at town. Then afterwards just call me an idiot and say they assumed I was faking and not that much of a moron.

So, if you are town Death, those people would be suspect.

Which is why I would have liked to see more people talk about it.
And also why I find this 24hour limit, if it is true, lame in conjunction with an earlier day start.
Thats also partially why my first thought was to not buy it.

Still people ignoring the claim can be info, yes.
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Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

You talk as if your tag will immediately silence me.

I don't care for anything you say after the deed is done. And, I highly doubt town is gonna waste 36 hours stagnated on a set Lynch. So, in a way, yes. You will talk, but it will be your last dying words.

Just wait til I flip target bomb then! (Thats a joke)
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Scum would most likely try and challenge me as a liar to try and piss me off and bait me into using it if I am looking at town. Then afterwards just call me an idiot and say they assumed I was faking and not that much of a moron.

So, if you are town Death, those people would be suspect.

Which is why I would have liked to see more people talk about it.
And also why I find this 24hour limit, if it is true, lame in conjunction with an earlier day start.
Thats also partially why my first thought was to not buy it.

Still people ignoring the claim can be info, yes.

If anything, you should buy it because Sultan made a point to mention the game didn't start til 11am exactly. So it was on a set hour so there wasn't a discrepancy or confusion of when 24 hours was for me.
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Hey red, I can see you think Corrik is lying.
But what do you think about me (and other players) besides that?
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Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Scum would most likely try and challenge me as a liar to try and piss me off and bait me into using it if I am looking at town. Then afterwards just call me an idiot and say they assumed I was faking and not that much of a moron.

So, if you are town Death, those people would be suspect.

Which is why I would have liked to see more people talk about it.
And also why I find this 24hour limit, if it is true, lame in conjunction with an earlier day start.
Thats also partially why my first thought was to not buy it.

Still people ignoring the claim can be info, yes.

If anything, you should buy it because Sultan made a point to mention the game didn't start til 11am exactly. So it was on a set hour so there wasn't a discrepancy or confusion of when 24 hours was for me.

There is logic to that. But Its still badly executed if so.

Anyway shush you.
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(especially on a weekend)
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pezloco posted...

htaeD posted...

Just curious
why not thsoe 4 players,including me?

Corrik I've covered. Han because of his reaction to how you used the word sentence. Scare for trying to setup the "slip" on SBell. And you because I liked how you were trying to hold off people from responding until SBell did. None of this is conclusive, but it's all good enough for D1.

This was my initial read on Scare. I thought the way he tried to trap SBell only made sense from a town point of view. That was good enough for me at the time and for D1.

After that in topic 1 he made a lot of fluff posts. Most of his posts were 1 sentence. Except this "big" one.

ScareChan posted...

5tarscream posted...

Just to be clear I was saying he is super aggressive not you.

##Unvote
##Vote: Starscream

hasnt played in a long time, making sure that he is talking to someone with gentle hands, throwing softballs, dude is scum hands down

Townie
Han
Pez
Tom
Death

Ehhh
Panth
Sbell

scum
Starscream
Red
Corrik

I think this one in the middle of topic 2 is the first time since trying to trap SBell he's given deeper content than just a read with nothing to back it up.

ScareChan posted...

5tarscream posted...

I actually went to bed before Scare said anything. I didnt see the point in responding to his nonsense vote because there was nothing to say about it. It was based on one sentence that Im pretty sure he misunderstood. To clarify I wasnt criticising Corriks style of play. I was saying its predictable and that SBells and deaths reactions just didnt sit well with me. Their reaction stunk of panic as if theyd been rumbled and where trying to suck up to Corrik. I think SBell, death are scum. Maybe Tom too because his style seems a little fluffy compared to what Id expect from him. As town. None of them has really contributed anything in my opinion. Nothing of substance. Death trying to rally attention to Scares nonsense vote on me also strikes me as the same sort of misdirection I was talking about last night.
Death what do you think of Pezs Read on Tom and red?

My point is scum likes to overclarify and not step on toes to be nice to everyone to blend in and not ruffle feathers in my experience when they come back from a long time away from the game. Reg did it in his return game and he was smote for it

He gives another list

ScareChan posted...

1. Pezlo - town
2. Tom - sheeping pez
3. Ulti- scum
4. Eaed- town
5. Corrik - town lean
6. Sbell - barely town lean
7. Scare - mmmm
8. puns - town lean
9. IGCD - town lean
10. 5tar - scum
11.Han - town
12. Panth - scum lean
13. MZero - town
14. Death - town lean
15. Red- scum

So far, it seems like Scare has been a kind of active but not contributing much. He's no longer on my won't touch list for today. That list stays at Han, Corrik, and Death. I'm still reading through his posts, but this one was getting long. My kids keep interrupting too. They want silly things like breakfast and for me to get them paper to color on.
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Okay now I get the ROOMMATES thing. Pez argues it well, but I find Reds countering explanations for not mentioning it himself add up as well. So it doesnt sway me on red one way or the other.
I do find Toms reaction to it unimpressive. He still jokes around here and there afterwards and claims to have read everything yet refuses to make a wall of comments about it for an unspecified reason.
Its even worse in light of Corrik announcing a 24 hour deadline which he seemingly intends to miss now.
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Sidenote. Not a fan of Mzero defending IGCDs bad vote.
I dont see IGCD explaining his votes anywhere either. He feels slightly more confrontational here than in Endgame mafia. Equally lazy though.
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ScareChan posted...

htaeD posted...

Scare
why is Panth a scumlean?
And IGCd town?

I dont like Panth's posts, they seem kind of safe but also agenday. Gut dont like him

IGCD I usually read pretty well, so far he has done stuff I associate with his town play

Has IGCD done enough to have a read on? He's had very few posts. If you assume that no one should have a good read on IGCD then this could read as scum thinking a person is obv town because they know him to be town so it's easier to confirm.

I read through the contradictory stuff. I think he explained himself well enough that it didn't register to me based on my initial read. Having reread it? Meh? I think it can be WIFOMed back and forth. I think like I did above you can read his comments as scummy. I think if you take him at his word it makes about as much as sense as anything town does D1. I do not think there is a smoking gun in any of the contradictory stuff.

I'm now current through Corrik asking me about Scare. Looks like there was a bunch of new posts since then. I'm going to read those now.
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htaeD posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Only half?

I always assume the most painful outcome when it comes to Corrik.
And I wonder if some players are treating it as a joke so they can keep their hands clean.
If Corrik is town, scum will have no way of knowing for sure either.

This is a great reason why Corrik should NOT use the power. Don't give Mafia extra info. If it's possible that Corrik is not Gladiator that's good for town. Let mafia WIFOM themselves as they decide what to do with him at night. htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

I have also considered some people are trying to bait me into using it as well. I see all angles, Death.

The question though for you is what are you gonna do.

I am still saying no to me claiming.
Partially out of spite mind you, which I know is a bad thing.

Don't claim. Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

You talk as if your tag will immediately silence me.

I don't care for anything you say after the deed is done. And, I highly doubt town is gonna waste 36 hours stagnated on a set Lynch. So, in a way, yes. You will talk, but it will be your last dying words.

If you end the day prematurely, you hurt town. I get that you get to decide if you use your power. And if you want to use it today, you have a little more than an hour to choose to do so. But town shouldn't hammer Death just because the lynch is set. For one I still want Tom to get back in here with that supposed wall he was waiting on. I don't expect him to have time until the afternoon though.
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Technically town can hammer Corrik too. FYI
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htaeD posted...

Okay now I get the ROOMMATES thing. Pez argues it well, but I find Reds countering explanations for not mentioning it himself add up as well. So it doesnt sway me on red one way or the other.
I do find Toms reaction to it unimpressive. He still jokes around here and there afterwards and claims to have read everything yet refuses to make a wall of comments about it for an unspecified reason.
Its even worse in light of Corrik announcing a 24 hour deadline which he seemingly intends to miss now.

Regardless of my read on Red in how he ignored my repeated mentioning that Tom is scum, Red is still lurking today. He pops in and says one thing and goes back to lurking. Yes he has the built in excuse, which is part of why I'm not voting him. But I've played with him as scum enough to know that he intentionally uses inactivity as a weapon as scum especially in the early days. He's probably the best at doing that intentionally.
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htaeD posted...

Technically town can hammer Corrik too. FYI

Yes they can. But do you think that's a likely outcome? I don't.
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Answering that would probably give too much away.
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And red cant stay in disneyworld forever. But I get what you mean.
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Might just set the power off now if Death has decided not to claim. Don't wanna make sultan wait around for me to out it in.
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htaeD posted...

And red cant stay in disneyworld forever. But I get what you mean.

But I think he did say he'd be there all this week right? In the signups. He had a built in excuse. I was hoping because this game started on the weekend we'd avoid that built in excuse, then it turns out he was on a plane when the game started. So no luck.

Disneyland is a great excuse. And we knew about it before the PMs came out. I'm not letting him off the hook. If Red is still alive in D2 or D3 I expect people to be very suspicious of him. I clearly don't think we should be lynching him D1.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

is pushing my percussion emsblemb piece on hre too much"?

it's always a good time for a percussion.....emsblemb.

Corrik7 posted...

He is not town because he said to use it on him. In fact, you should question why town would want it used on them at all. It doesn't make sense for someone to not want it used on scum when you truly think about it.

...doesn't this also apply to scum to an extent?

ScareChan posted...

2. Tom - sheeping pez

While this is generally a safe assumption I don't think I've actually followed him on anything yet this game! >_>

Man most of my scum reads are stuff that people normally do (at least, according to others)- Red's not around, Ulti is...being Ulti, IGCD isn't talking.

htaeD posted...

Do you think Pez is scum who wants me to not claim so they can janitor me at night?

Could be but that's mainly just how Pez rolls. Null/Towntell imo.

and that's my big fluffy catchup post. My one big move is INCOMING but I didn't want it to get buried.
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Corrik7 posted...

Might just set the power off now if Death has decided not to claim. Don't wanna make sultan wait around for me to out it in.

You do realize you can just save the power for another day and try and lynch me the old fashioned way if you want me to die that much.
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