Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 2: The SOLE SURVIVOR

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Death, your opinion on scare right now?
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Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I realize I am contradicting, yes. Your play is a better play than mine was so I dropped it

I geniunely do not like red or starscream

I would not be surprised if there was 1 scum between you and Ulti, but at this time I like you both

I would however vote Ulti against someone I was less sure of if it came down to it at end of day

So Ulti is NOT scum then as your list stated. Is this correct according to you?

correct, I lied about my position on him
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Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

And Corrik just so I'm clear on your reasoning. What is it that makes death scum? What's this 90% certainty

You can read the game if you wish. Or you can just trust my 90% accuracy on reading him over the course of my mafia career. Death flails as scum. He flailed this game. And, he made it known he knew I was town throughout his interactions and that he had active fear of the possibility of my power being used on him.

Just because I am town doesnt mean I want to die.
Also I flail as town all the time. And you read me wrong from time to time as well, mostly on day1.
Calling me town when you are scum doesnt count towards your perfect record either.
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But, you do want me to use my power on him because despite town leaning on me and secretly thinking Ulti is town... One of us could be scum?

Correct?
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Corrik7 posted...

Death, your opinion on scare right now?

Torn honestly (are you surprised?)
I like his inputs, but they also feel tailored to gain my like because he has a townlean on me.
That said, I cant really see it as sucking up to me. Since why would he?
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Even if you are both town I feel it would give a lot of information. I think it would be a better use than on death

my preference is on starscream, but if you are saying its between death and ulti then my vote is ulti
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Death, your opinion on scare right now?

Torn honestly (are you surprised?)
I like his inputs, but they also feel tailored to gain my like because he has a townlean on me.
That said, I cant really see it as sucking up to me. Since why would he?

So his contradictions right now are cool by you. Okay.
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ScareChan posted...

Even if you are both town I feel it would give a lot of information. I think it would be a better use than on death

my preference is on starscream, but if you are saying its between death and ulti then my vote is ulti

I asked if I should use it on Ulti because he specifically was straight scum on your list, but you were arguing for 5tarscream only.

This does not look good from you, my friend. Have you learned inactivity is your scumtell and have changed it up. Hmmmmm.
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What do I gain by telling you I think Ulti may be town?

unless you think he and I are scum together and I am backpedaling

but in that case I would double down on the low hanging fruit option
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Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Death, your opinion on scare right now?

Torn honestly (are you surprised?)
I like his inputs, but they also feel tailored to gain my like because he has a townlean on me.
That said, I cant really see it as sucking up to me. Since why would he?

So his contradictions right now are cool by you. Okay.

I kinda didnt follow that at first, but I can sorta see his explanation for changing how he calls Ulti.
Though I dont think it was a very good idea. And I dont agree with his reasoning for gladiating Ulti.
I also am still not sure yet what makes 5tarscream scum to him.
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ScareChan posted...

5tarscream posted...

I actually went to bed before Scare said anything. I didnt see the point in responding to his nonsense vote because there was nothing to say about it. It was based on one sentence that Im pretty sure he misunderstood. To clarify I wasnt criticising Corriks style of play. I was saying its predictable and that SBells and deaths reactions just didnt sit well with me. Their reaction stunk of panic as if theyd been rumbled and where trying to suck up to Corrik. I think SBell, death are scum. Maybe Tom too because his style seems a little fluffy compared to what Id expect from him. As town. None of them has really contributed anything in my opinion. Nothing of substance. Death trying to rally attention to Scares nonsense vote on me also strikes me as the same sort of misdirection I was talking about last night.
Death what do you think of Pezs Read on Tom and red?

My point is scum likes to overclarify and not step on toes to be nice to everyone to blend in and not ruffle feathers in my experience when they come back from a long time away from the game. Reg did it in his return game and he was smote for it

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ScareChan posted...

What do I gain by telling you I think Ulti may be town?

unless you think he and I are scum together and I am backpedaling

but in that case I would double down on the low hanging fruit option

I don't think you were offering up information. I think you just threw down a label for him because you were concocting a fake list and didn't know what you marked him down as. When you made the contradiction you tried to explain it as being legit instead of just saying it was an error.

Hmmmm. I will think on it.
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

like my scum list was you, red, ulti and starscream

my vote and 3 power players. I was hoping to see someone try and poke at that but no one really cared

Hey I poked. ... Are the other list reads still real?
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Ah. Glossed over that.
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So you think I was just throwing down labels but they also match your thoughts
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Everything but Ulti was geniune yes
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FYI. I will be around less often soon. But I will be checking on my phone.

Because at this rate I might have to claim regardless. But at least I wont be doing it for Corrik.
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ScareChan posted...

Everything but Ulti was geniune yes

Okay. Thats at least good to know.
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for what its worth I do think corrik is gladiator because I believe Sultan has seen one before and I recall him liking it

I dont remember the game but its something that popped to mind as soon as I saw corrik claim
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I still am curious though, Corrik.
Why did Ulti first come to mind when you listed off inactives?
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This sudden appearance of Scare to try and turn all the attention on me for apparently being too passive and not stepping in any bodies toes despite the fact Ive been saying I think death and SBell seem scum to me. SBell voting me as a defensive town makes a little more sense than death just hiding behind Scare.
The timing seems way too convenient that every time Corrik applies pressure to death he panics and Scare shows up to say hey look Starscream is scum because I think so.
Id say use it on death and it says a lot more about Scares intentions. Hes super adamant on using it on anyone except death.

Scare what about deaths play has you do solidly convinced hes town?

For fucks sake
I am not panicking. If anything I am getting angrier
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(also my toes are hardly intimidating at this point <.<)
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lol

yes I am white knighting death

ok
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Corrik7 posted...

So should I use my power on death or Ulti?

Who do you think, Mzero? I am confident you are actually town despite my grilling of you and leaving you off my list. You don't have the balls to fake claim miller as scum.

Ouch. Your probably right though!

I think you should hold it today tbh
Of those two I would say Ulti over death
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So youre saying its pure coincidence that both times youve been questioned or highlighted as a potential victim for the dayvig Scare has shown up and voted me? Thats your argument?
If you are town then do something to help us. Ask some questions, share some opinions. Do something. If your scum which I believe then just keep doing literally what Scare is accusing me of. Hes defending you and targeting me for being too passive and trying not to upset anyone when thats literally the opposite of whats happening between us.

Oh god i totally fell asleep when i intended to read last night.

##vote: tom

Scare should know of roommates as well too unless I'm crazy. Making me a bit hesitant he seems to have ignored the voten

5tarscream posted...

So youre saying its pure coincidence that both times youve been questioned or highlighted as a potential victim for the dayvig Scare has shown up and voted me? Thats your argument?
If you are town then do something to help us. Ask some questions, share some opinions. Do something. If your scum which I believe then just keep doing literally what Scare is accusing me of. Hes defending you and targeting me for being too passive and trying not to upset anyone when thats literally the opposite of whats happening between us.

Literally not reading the game. Lookin for big ticket items and trying to seem active.

Can we kill it please.
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I know of roomate powers but never paid much attention

trusting pez but he himself said its not a confident read just yet
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Panthera posted...

MZero has been kind of forgotten, so let's change that a bit. He was quick to dismiss IGCD voting Tom as a bandwagon vote that IGCD is apparently known for. Tom has been fluffy enough that I'm not sure why someone would want to quickly jump in to defend him. MZero, do you have faith in Tom being town or IGCD being scum? While I have your attention, you claimed Miller right away, then later said you want people to judge you based on your play, not your claim. You haven't done much since then though. You sure you're not just hoping the claim will let you coast once people get the usual early Miller discussion out of their system?

I wasn't defending anyone as much as saying don't read too much into it. And I wasn't defending Tom at all so I'm not sure what you mean. I have no read on Tom yet and leaning Town on IGCD

There's plenty of day left, so far either I've been asleep or everyone else has been asleep most of the game!
Not that I'm known for my Day 1 play anyway (not in a good way at least!)
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Panthera posted...

Hooray for insomnia mafia

I want to direct one question towards Pez...when you voted Tom and made a big point about how Red should react to you...why did you voice that? What purpose does it serve to tell Red how you're going to judge his alignment before you've had much time to start doing it (at that point you'd only hinted a little at reading Tom as scum, so you hadn't given Red a clear view of your "roommate powers" to react to yet)?

I already answered that. I wanted my initial reactions on the record. As for why that particular moment. Red has finally started to hint at asking Tom and me about each other. Since my read was connected to that I quit holding back. Ideally I would've have waited until Sunday afternoon, but I seriously didn't know if Corrik would hijack the day like he threatened. So the timing was as good as it was going to get.

I'm still catching up. I've read through the post I'm quoting.
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Also, funny for 5tar to tell someone to ask questions. When he's ignoring the ones posed at him.

Corrik. I implore you to change course on your death train and gladiate 5tar
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What questions have been asked of me?

I asked you to point to deflections I've put out there which is your entire basis of throwing shade on me in at least 2 of your maybe 10 total posts. Sell it. Don't just pussy foot around the issue because a majority of the game is saying it.
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Also, ignore being caught not reading. That's helping your case.
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Do you even understand what youre saying? Youre deflecting by not directly addressing any of the accusations that were sent your way. Instead of actually making a case for yourself not being scum you just went round and round in circles. You say Im not contributing but Im not the one giving a commentary on my daily life with my kids. How does that contribute anything to town? Youve argued with Han for half a topic about not being able to read the face/heel thing not your accusing me of not being able to read. Which Im pretty sure is also what you accused corrik of. If everyone is misreading you then maybe youre not making sense

Panthera posted...

htaeD posted...

Also you are mistaken in assuming that I called everyone who already posted town.
Thats a mathematical impossibility of course, so why would I believe it? I said I didnt dislike the posts made so far. That doesnt mean I thought they HAD to be town..

Why would you believe it? That's the point. You didn't find you had any scum reads. You should know you should have had some. So why didn't you try to change that? You said you would, but here we are and not much has come of it. You didn't call everyone who had posted town, but you said you didn't have scum reads on any of them and haven't really budged from that stance beyond the IGCD thing, which still leaves us in the same place with you being oddly lacking in scum reads and not showing much interest in changing that.

Because it's day 1 and at that point very early day 1. You don't always get scum reads on people that early.

Still reading through clearly.
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Youre either scum trying hard to tunnel on somebody you know as town because Scare is giving you a gift escape. Or youre playing awful town while trying to redeem yourself.

5tarscream posted...

Do you even understand what youre saying? Youre deflecting by not directly addressing any of the accusations that were sent your way. Instead of actually making a case for yourself not being scum you just went round and round in circles. You say Im not contributing but Im not the one giving a commentary on my daily life with my kids. How does that contribute anything to town? Youve argued with Han for half a topic about not being able to read the face/heel thing not your accusing me of not being able to read. Which Im pretty sure is also what you accused corrik of. If everyone is misreading you then maybe youre not making sense

Didn't read my unvote post where I said I deliberately gunned at Han for his comment on my opening posts to draw out reads on others.

Getting snarky talking about my being away and giving reasons why.

Has yet to do any real scum hunting of his own and is just playing up others arguments.
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Current scum reads:
5tar
Red
Pezloco

Current town reads :

Death
Mzero
Corrik
Ulti
Scsre

Null:
Han (leaning town)
Puns
Tom
Eaed
Igcd
Panth
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htaeD posted...

FYI. I will be around less often soon. But I will be checking on my phone.

Because at this rate I might have to claim regardless. But at least I wont be doing it for Corrik.

Just don't claim. Day 1 claims are bad for town. If people have forgotten this they should relearn it.
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ScareChan posted...

I know of roomate powers but never paid much attention

trusting pez but he himself said its not a confident read just yet

Tom said he had a wall he wanted to post but was waiting on something. I'm trying to give him time to post it. I'm not telling people to get on him, but for now my vote is staying on him.
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Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.
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5tarscream posted...

Do you even understand what youre saying? Youre deflecting by not directly addressing any of the accusations that were sent your way. Instead of actually making a case for yourself not being scum you just went round and round in circles. You say Im not contributing but Im not the one giving a commentary on my daily life with my kids. How does that contribute anything to town? Youve argued with Han for half a topic about not being able to read the face/heel thing not your accusing me of not being able to read. Which Im pretty sure is also what you accused corrik of. If everyone is misreading you then maybe youre not making sense

I'm not the biggest SBell fan, but ignoring accusations thrown his way? Have there been many other than he looked a little fishy in the Han back and forth?
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pezloco posted...

5tarscream posted...

Do you even understand what youre saying? Youre deflecting by not directly addressing any of the accusations that were sent your way. Instead of actually making a case for yourself not being scum you just went round and round in circles. You say Im not contributing but Im not the one giving a commentary on my daily life with my kids. How does that contribute anything to town? Youve argued with Han for half a topic about not being able to read the face/heel thing not your accusing me of not being able to read. Which Im pretty sure is also what you accused corrik of. If everyone is misreading you then maybe youre not making sense

I'm not the biggest SBell fan, but ignoring accusations thrown his way? Have there been many other than he looked a little fishy in the Han back and forth?

Its literally all there is. And I've already pulled off and said going at Han was deliberate.

*shrug*

... But star is reading the game
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SBell cant possibly be this obvious and scum. I actually think hes just playing poorly as town because hes trying too hard to make up for a bad game and hes being manipulated. Youre calling me out saying I havent done any scum hunting but all youve done is follow Scares lead.
What makes you think Pez and red are scum? If you think they are scum then why do you think Tom is null instead of town?
What do you think about Ulti trying to draw Corriks dayvig?

Obellisk posted...

Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.

Assume I'm scum, what does that say about Tom's alignment?
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You already addressed the pez and red thing while I was typing so ignore that

pezloco posted...

Obellisk posted...

Pez, I want to be clear, I do not like the roommate power stuff and I don't think it's too crazy to think you'd use it against Tom and pander to red with it at the same time.

Reds vote on Tom with no explanation is what pushed me over the edge, up until that point I was really holding onto hope that you were a shining beacon of what good town play is.

But now I think you both scum.

Assume I'm scum, what does that say about Tom's alignment?

Says he's town. But I haven't decided that on my own yet. I won't default someone town based on a read on another player. It leads me to bad assumptions. You or red flip scum and that defaults Tom to town. Till that time I will continue to follow how he interacts.
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5tarscream posted...

You already addressed the pez and red thing while I was typing so ignore that

I figured you'd read back.
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