Board 8 > Wwe mafia Topic 2: The SOLE SURVIVOR

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Sbell, everyone who says ur scum this game isn't scum themself for it. If this is your town game redeeming itself, it is pretty damn flawed so far.

Have you gone after anyone who hasn't gone after you first yet all game?
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Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.
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Corrik7 posted...

And, panth, death or Ulti for my power today? Pretty much decided it will be one of them two at this point.

If it's forced to be used today, Death. Ulti hasn't done much to register with me yet besides saying he likes the thought of sheeping Han because Han either catches scum or busses (incidentally, does Han tend to bus day 1? I don't recall, someone help me out). I don't see Death saying he was at work as being much of a defense, the fact that Death said he didn't have a solid scum read on anyone who had posted yet means he can't really have been defending someone who hadn't posted yet.

Otherwise I'd prefer not to see day 1 turned into a 1v1 when the end of day chaos tends to be informative (and I enjoy the b8 special shenanigans, but that's neither here nor there).

htaeD posted...

Also you are mistaken in assuming that I called everyone who already posted town.
Thats a mathematical impossibility of course, so why would I believe it? I said I didnt dislike the posts made so far. That doesnt mean I thought they HAD to be town..

Why would you believe it? That's the point. You didn't find you had any scum reads. You should know you should have had some. So why didn't you try to change that? You said you would, but here we are and not much has come of it. You didn't call everyone who had posted town, but you said you didn't have scum reads on any of them and haven't really budged from that stance beyond the IGCD thing, which still leaves us in the same place with you being oddly lacking in scum reads and not showing much interest in changing that.
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And, just FYI. If Ulti is scum, he 1. Knows I am town. 2. Likely disbelieves my claim to start with. 3. Thinks I will back down to him even if true. 4. Will show him as town by willingly telling me to use it on him.

He is not town because he said to use it on him. In fact, you should question why town would want it used on them at all. It doesn't make sense for someone to not want it used on scum when you truly think about it.

It is much more likelier Ulti is scum and Sbell is town than Ulti is town and Sbell is scum.
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Slow your roll you say when I say "so Ulti?". And, yes, you ask if he is at work, but look how it is phrased.

ALSO Ulti is PROBABLY at work... Right?

Still a question. It seemed the most likely reason for his absence to me anyway.

Also I dont know why I didnt @ Ulti at the time. I think its because I thought you were only talking about those two at the time when you said 'do you want them to claim before I target them'?

Thats a pedantic point to harp on. It doesnt matter either way since I am town and I do not know what Ulti is. Honestly, trying to turn Ulti into a target right now is even less logical to me.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.
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Death you are definitely scum... Right?

Not saying you are. Just a question. *Wink*
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so thoughts this topic

Pez is so town. Like he can even have my vote if it wasnt already on scum. If its me, pez, and innocent scanned lock clear guy in final 3 I just vote myself. I buy him that much right now

I think Ed is town, his Ulti paranoia rings well to me

Starscream literally did the same thing I called him scum for again.

Corrik please gladiate starscream if you can
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Corrik7 posted...

Sbell, everyone who says ur scum this game isn't scum themself for it. If this is your town game redeeming itself, it is pretty damn flawed so far.

Have you gone after anyone who hasn't gone after you first yet all game?

Well I admit it failed and mainly for my own personal problems of being able to separate misguided town from opportunistic scum.

I personally think anyone going after me for attacking Han for scrutinizing my opening post looks bad.

And at this moment, star looks the worst from it.

I won't say I think I've been a shining beacon of town this game so far. And yes I played my cards poorly. But lynching me will do the game no favors.
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5tarscream posted...

I actually went to bed before Scare said anything. I didnt see the point in responding to his nonsense vote because there was nothing to say about it. It was based on one sentence that Im pretty sure he misunderstood. To clarify I wasnt criticising Corriks style of play. I was saying its predictable and that SBells and deaths reactions just didnt sit well with me. Their reaction stunk of panic as if theyd been rumbled and where trying to suck up to Corrik. I think SBell, death are scum. Maybe Tom too because his style seems a little fluffy compared to what Id expect from him. As town. None of them has really contributed anything in my opinion. Nothing of substance. Death trying to rally attention to Scares nonsense vote on me also strikes me as the same sort of misdirection I was talking about last night.
Death what do you think of Pezs Read on Tom and red?

My point is scum likes to overclarify and not step on toes to be nice to everyone to blend in and not ruffle feathers in my experience when they come back from a long time away from the game. Reg did it in his return game and he was smote for it
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Death moved up my list a bit, think he is townie
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik please gladiate starscream if you can

Aren't I scum according to you, Scare?
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Why would you believe it? That's the point. You didn't find you had any scum reads. You should know you should have had some. So why didn't you try to change that? You said you would, but here we are and not much has come of it. You didn't call everyone who had posted town, but you said you didn't have scum reads on any of them and haven't really budged from that stance beyond the IGCD thing, which still leaves us in the same place with you being oddly lacking in scum reads and not showing much interest in changing that.

Yes I knew I should have had some. And I tried to change that. I just got so annoyed by Corrik that I wasted time responding to him. And by the time I got some reads (mostly on Puns who I started to like), I was already too tired to continue.

There is a grey area between scumreads and townreads, Panth.
Dont tell me I am not interested in changing it. I just dont have a lot of time to do so right now.
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Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

OK yes, I remember this and I don't think it would be faked by death.

Now why is death scum and not 5tar? I hope you aren't using the heel/face interaction as your reasoning.
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Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Corrik please gladiate starscream if you can

Aren't I scum according to you, Scare?

Maybe he thinks you are both scum and it's a win win.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

OK yes, I remember this and I don't think it would be faked by death.

Now why is death scum and not 5tar? I hope you aren't using the heel/face interaction as your reasoning.

I am operating under my read that death is scum.

If death is town, then 5tar could be town or scum.

They just cannot be scum together.
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1. Pezlo - town
2. Tom - sheeping pez
3. Ulti- scum
4. Eaed- town
5. Corrik - town lean
6. Sbell - barely town lean
7. Scare - mmmm
8. puns - town lean
9. IGCD - town lean
10. 5tar - scum
11.Han - town
12. Panth - scum lean
13. MZero - town
14. Death - town lean
15. Red- scum
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Corrik please gladiate starscream if you can

Aren't I scum according to you, Scare?

Maybe he thinks you are both scum and it's a win win.

Haha
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Scare, you okay with me using it on Ulti then?

5tar is low hanging fruit, yes? Common person for a mislynch day 1, yes?

These are questions. Not defending him. Lol.
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Miz usually rolls over as scum and can get caught easily enough. I dont feel he does the fake miller play, especially with something kind of weak like miz
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Corrik7 posted...

Death you are definitely scum... Right?

Not saying you are. Just a question. *Wink*

Definitely not.
I dont know what you want from me here.
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uhhh

actually yeah, an Ulti gladiator would probably give a lot of good info today
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Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

OK yes, I remember this and I don't think it would be faked by death.

Now why is death scum and not 5tar? I hope you aren't using the heel/face interaction as your reasoning.

I am operating under my read that death is scum.

If death is town, then 5tar could be town or scum.

They just cannot be scum together.

And I'm on board with that based on his not knowing what 5tar was, honestly I had no idea till I went back and double checked the sign up topic.

So I ask, what makes 5tar town?
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Scare, if you flip 5tar and Death who I said can't be scum together, we have basically the same reads this game across the entire game.

Does this bother you?
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I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town, but if there is one scum between you and ulti a gladiate would be money in the bank

GET IT
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Corrik. For one second pretend that you know that I am town.
What does this make Ulti?
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Corrik7 posted...

Scare, if you flip 5tar and Death who I said can't be scum together, we have basically the same reads this game across the entire game.

Does this bother you?

Not really because all my reads that I lean town on seem pretty obvious town to me as much as they can be for day 1.
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I mean yes on a technical level, I cant say I would want to die before Ulti.
But this Ulti threat feels wrong to me.
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Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Obellisk posted...

Twice starscrwam has called me scum.

Twice starscrwam has failed to put any thought behind It. Just showing up to throw shade off of what seems to be popular.

##vote:starscream

Corrik, why would you think this player is town?

Cuz death has made it known 5tar isn't on his team.

With which post. Sorry it's early and I'm mobile don't make me find it.

He didn't know who 5tar was. It was too fluid of a reaction. Thus, it was a true reaction. Death thought 5tar was a new player and didn't know who he was. He would have if on a scum team with him.

OK yes, I remember this and I don't think it would be faked by death.

Now why is death scum and not 5tar? I hope you aren't using the heel/face interaction as your reasoning.

I am operating under my read that death is scum.

If death is town, then 5tar could be town or scum.

They just cannot be scum together.

And I'm on board with that based on his not knowing what 5tar was, honestly I had no idea till I went back and double checked the sign up topic.

So I ask, what makes 5tar town?

Death being scum. If 5tar can't be scum with death and I am 90% sure death is scum, I by association am 90% sure 5tar is town.

5tar generally is not someone who is gonna look town through his play. Just like a pjbasis, doubletangicide, and etc. That is why they are common mislynchs. So, irregular or low level play from them is usually never a good reason to think they are scum and why it is easy to turn Lynchs to them.
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Scare
why is Panth a scumlean?
And IGCd town?
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htaeD posted...

Corrik. For one second pretend that you know that I am town.
What does this make Ulti?

Still likelier scum than town.
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Death has been pretty firm since the whole heel talk and potential slip stuff I said, I think death that fucked up like that scrambles more. His demeanor seems town to me
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ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?
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htaeD posted...

Scare
why is Panth a scumlean?
And IGCd town?

I dont like Panth's posts, they seem kind of safe but also agenday. Gut dont like him

IGCD I usually read pretty well, so far he has done stuff I associate with his town play
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Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

Corrik. For one second pretend that you know that I am town.
What does this make Ulti?

Still likelier scum than town.

Well that does fit with what you said before.
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Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

my scum list prior was to see if anyone bit on reactions. Ulti's play seems different enough to where I like him better than his previous games, but I also expect him to mix it up a bit. If it came down to Ulti and someone I was neutral on at eod I would lynch Ulti though. I am comfortable with you thus far

make sense?
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

Corrik. For one second pretend that you know that I am town.
What does this make Ulti?

Still likelier scum than town.

Well that does fit with what you said before.

What?

Ulti as scum sees my claim and he goes "lol I will stare him down and prove myself town!" Cuz he is likely lying or won't have the balls to do it!

Ulti as town probably just states my claim is bullshit over and over, ignores my claim, or tries to suggest someone for it emphatically.

Ulti challenging it to be used on himself is pretty much from a scum mindset for him personally.
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Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

like my scum list was you, red, ulti and starscream

my vote and 3 power players. I was hoping to see someone try and poke at that but no one really cared
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And Corrik just so I'm clear on your reasoning. What is it that makes death scum? What's this 90% certainty
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

my scum list prior was to see if anyone bit on reactions. Ulti's play seems different enough to where I like him better than his previous games, but I also expect him to mix it up a bit. If it came down to Ulti and someone I was neutral on at eod I would lynch Ulti though. I am comfortable with you thus far

make sense?

I am not sure I get his listing as scum on your list just now and what you are saying regarding him in these past two posts.

It looks like you forgot what you put down for him and are trying to justify the contradiction now.

So, no, I do not get it.
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Obellisk posted...

And Corrik just so I'm clear on your reasoning. What is it that makes death scum? What's this 90% certainty

he feels he slipped when I was messing with you earliar
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Obellisk posted...

And Corrik just so I'm clear on your reasoning. What is it that makes death scum? What's this 90% certainty

You can read the game if you wish. Or you can just trust my 90% accuracy on reading him over the course of my mafia career. Death flails as scum. He flailed this game. And, he made it known he knew I was town throughout his interactions and that he had active fear of the possibility of my power being used on him.
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ScareChan posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

like my scum list was you, red, ulti and starscream

my vote and 3 power players. I was hoping to see someone try and poke at that but no one really cared

The only person you changed on that list and this one was me, Scare. Red, Ulti, and 5tar are all still on it.

So, are these not your reads or are these to bait people?

You are contradicting yourself hard here.
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Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

Corrik7 posted...

ScareChan posted...

I kind of secretly like Ulti and he may be town

So why did you list him as scum on your list?

Why did you list me as a town mean when you had me as scum on your directly prior list?

my scum list prior was to see if anyone bit on reactions. Ulti's play seems different enough to where I like him better than his previous games, but I also expect him to mix it up a bit. If it came down to Ulti and someone I was neutral on at eod I would lynch Ulti though. I am comfortable with you thus far

make sense?

I am not sure I get his listing as scum on your list just now and what you are saying regarding him in these past two posts.

It looks like you forgot what you put down for him and are trying to justify the contradiction now.

So, no, I do not get it.

I said he was scum. yes, but secretly like him

if Ulti gets votes going because there is seemingly support there is stuff to analyze

but you prompted a gladiate and I thought on it and thought it was a good idea, but wanted to be clear about what I felt before you may actually pop it
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Scare, you made a point to put "leans" and "slightest leans" and etc on your reads. Ulti was straight "scum". However nothing you said since then seems to even think he is scum at all. Let alone straight scum.
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Corrik7 posted...

What?

Ulti as scum sees my claim and he goes "lol I will stare him down and prove myself town!" Cuz he is likely lying or won't have the balls to do it!

Ulti as town probably just states my claim is bullshit over and over, ignores my claim, or tries to suggest someone for it emphatically.

Ulti challenging it to be used on himself is pretty much from a scum mindset for him personally.

Didnt mean to confuse
I was saying, you thinking Ulti is scummy with or without my involvement lines up with all the points you already raised.
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I realize I am contradicting, yes. Your play is a better play than mine was so I dropped it

I geniunely do not like red or starscream

I would not be surprised if there was 1 scum between you and Ulti, but at this time I like you both

I would however vote Ulti against someone I was less sure of if it came down to it at end of day
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htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

What?

Ulti as scum sees my claim and he goes "lol I will stare him down and prove myself town!" Cuz he is likely lying or won't have the balls to do it!

Ulti as town probably just states my claim is bullshit over and over, ignores my claim, or tries to suggest someone for it emphatically.

Ulti challenging it to be used on himself is pretty much from a scum mindset for him personally.

Didnt mean to confuse
I was saying, you thinking Ulti is scummy with or without my involvement lines up with all the points you already raised.

It would be like saying ulti is 80% scum for his own actions and if you flipped scum it would be 95% scum due to your interaction with him being correct.
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ScareChan posted...

I realize I am contradicting, yes. Your play is a better play than mine was so I dropped it

I geniunely do not like red or starscream

I would not be surprised if there was 1 scum between you and Ulti, but at this time I like you both

I would however vote Ulti against someone I was less sure of if it came down to it at end of day

So Ulti is NOT scum then as your list stated. Is this correct according to you?
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Corrik7 posted...

Scare, you made a point to put "leans" and "slightest leans" and etc on your reads. Ulti was straight "scum". However nothing you said since then seems to even think he is scum at all. Let alone straight scum.

after last game Ulti is an 'easy' lynch

I wanted people to think I would support that lynch and see if it took off and go from there
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