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BalanceLost 05/23/19 4:24:39 PM #1:	Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism --- "BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrix <cite>BalanceLost posted [p:922280355] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deupd_u 05/23/19 4:26:06 PM #2:	BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women --- Snipers don't shoot at paper, they shoot watermelons. https://imgur.com/jo511lG <cite>deupd_u posted [p:922280406] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes!</quote> Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BalanceLost 05/23/19 4:27:01 PM #3:	deupd_u posted... BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women So it being fairly rare makes it okay when it happens? --- "BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrix <cite>BalanceLost posted [p:922280445] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>deupd_u posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes!</quote> Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women</quote> So it being fairly rare makes it okay when it happens?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 05/23/19 4:27:18 PM #4:	deupd_u posted... BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women Even if it happened to less then .1% of woman it isnt right for that to happen. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:922280457] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>deupd_u posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes!</quote> Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women</quote> Even if it happened to less then .1% of woman it isnt right for that to happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 05/23/19 4:27:52 PM #5:	This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons. --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #Neblio #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #DENT #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:922280480] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaz13 05/23/19 4:31:21 PM #6:	twitterfriends posted... This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons. True indeed. However, I disagree with both the minor being made to give birth to a rapist's seed and a business owner being forced to offer his services to a customer/consumer he doesn't want to service. Though in the latter case, he offered the would be authoritarian couple other pastries and cakes, just not a custom baked one for a gay wedding. --- I had a god damned P L A N <cite>Kaz13 posted [p:922280639] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons.</quote> True indeed. However, I disagree with both the minor being made to give birth to a rapist's seed and a business owner being forced to offer his services to a customer/consumer he doesn't want to service. Though in the latter case, he offered the would be authoritarian couple other pastries and cakes, just not a custom baked one for a gay wedding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BalanceLost 05/23/19 4:32:09 PM #7:	twitterfriends posted... This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons. Yeah, religious beliefs like these got no place in modern society. Muslims who move to the West need to integrate and Christian fundies should be kept out of office. --- "BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrix <cite>BalanceLost posted [p:922280671] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons.</quote> Yeah, religious beliefs like these got no place in modern society. Muslims who move to the West need to integrate and Christian fundies should be kept out of office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 05/23/19 4:32:19 PM #8:	Im not baking a cake just for them to slap their penises on it or whatever they do. --- Name checks out <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:922280678] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Im not baking a cake just for them to slap their penises on it or whatever they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:32:21 PM #9:	Refusing to make a specific cake design but offering alternatives = literally Hitler Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. It's like suing Walmart for refusing to make a "Fuck Walmart" cake --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922280680] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Refusing to make a specific cake design but offering alternatives = literally Hitler Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. It's like suing Walmart for refusing to make a "Fuck Walmart" cake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/23/19 4:35:39 PM #10:	deupd_u posted... BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women Gay wedding cakes are also pretty rare --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922280801] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>deupd_u posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes!</quote> Which, as we know, is a scenario that occurs to 118% of women</quote> Gay wedding cakes are also pretty rare</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 05/23/19 4:36:33 PM #11:	Letting babies be born? No! Forcing business owners to make whatever a customer requests? Yes! #dishonestarguments <cite>Vertania posted [p:922280837] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Letting babies be born? No! Forcing business owners to make whatever a customer requests? Yes! #dishonestarguments</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 05/23/19 4:36:36 PM #12:	Works on contingency? No, money down! --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:922280841] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Works on contingency? No, money down!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:37:54 PM #13:	DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922280905] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:38:43 PM #14:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922280952] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 05/23/19 4:41:04 PM #15:	It can go even further. Being gay period? NO! Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Plus the fact that the same people bitch about people having kids and "muh tax money going to moochers. They only have kids to get the check!" while opposing abortion, gay adoption, and sex education. You can't have religion without fucked up priorities. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:922281058] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>It can go even further. Being gay period? NO! Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! Plus the fact that the same people bitch about people having kids and "muh tax money going to moochers. They only have kids to get the check!" while opposing abortion, gay adoption, and sex education. You can't have religion without fucked up priorities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/23/19 4:41:39 PM #16:	i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:922281086] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaz13 05/23/19 4:42:07 PM #17:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. The law agrees twice. He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding. As has been mentioned, the owners offered alternatives. At that point if its not to their liking, they're well within their rights to shop the competition. --- I had a god damned P L A N <cite>Kaz13 posted [p:922281100] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> The law agrees twice. He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding. As has been mentioned, the owners offered alternatives. At that point if its not to their liking, they're well within their rights to shop the competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:42:41 PM #18:	GasMonkey posted... i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice. You're acting like the anti-abortion crowd actually uses reason and logic. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281120] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice.</quote> You're acting like the anti-abortion crowd actually uses reason and logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:43:01 PM #19:	DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake. I never said the law says a customer can demand "any kind of custom item," because it doesn't. What the law does say is that any item you would provide for one person you must provide for another, regardless of their orientation, race, religion, etc. This means that if they provide wedding cakes for straight couples, they must also provide wedding cakes for gay couples. Glad I could clear that up for you. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281129] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake.</quote> I never said the law says a customer can demand "any kind of custom item," because it doesn't. What the law does say is that any item you would provide for one person you must provide for another, regardless of their orientation, race, religion, etc. This means that if they provide wedding cakes for straight couples, they must also provide wedding cakes for gay couples. Glad I could clear that up for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/23/19 4:43:44 PM #20:	Fake news. They never said they wouldn't sell them a cake. Rape argument for abortion is disingenuous at best. --- "If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." George Washington <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:922281160] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Fake news. They never said they wouldn't sell them a cake. Rape argument for abortion is disingenuous at best.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:44:31 PM #21:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake. I never said the law says a customer can demand "any kind of custom item," because it doesn't. What the law does say is that any item you would provide for one person you must provide for another, regardless of their orientation, race, religion, etc. This means that if they provide wedding cakes for straight couples, they must also provide wedding cakes for gay couples. Glad I could clear that up for you. they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Considering I, too, am gay, this is a subject that I do care about. But it's one that is grossly misunderstood. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281201] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> You might have to point me to the law that says that a customer can demand any kind of custom item, no matter what it is. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake.</quote> I never said the law says a customer can demand "any kind of custom item," because it doesn't. What the law does say is that any item you would provide for one person you must provide for another, regardless of their orientation, race, religion, etc. This means that if they provide wedding cakes for straight couples, they must also provide wedding cakes for gay couples. Glad I could clear that up for you.</quote> they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Considering I, too, am gay, this is a subject that I do care about. But it's one that is grossly misunderstood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/23/19 4:44:33 PM #22:	DarkRoast posted... GasMonkey posted... i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice. You're acting like the anti-abortion crowd actually uses reason and logic. nah i know better. this world is fucked up, hypocritical, and myopic. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:922281204] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>i think we should allow people to have a choice. nothing is worse than to force somebody into something or to remove their choice.</quote> You're acting like the anti-abortion crowd actually uses reason and logic.</quote> nah i know better. this world is fucked up, hypocritical, and myopic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QuantumTheory 05/23/19 4:45:09 PM #23:	BalanceLost posted... twitterfriends posted... This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons. Yeah, religious beliefs like these got no place in modern society. Muslims who move to the West need to integrate and Christian fundies should be kept out of office. How? --- Nothing is real. <cite>QuantumTheory posted [p:922281224] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>This is why religious fundamentalist are dangerous, the ironic thing is they hate Muslims for the same reasons.</quote> Yeah, religious beliefs like these got no place in modern society. Muslims who move to the West need to integrate and Christian fundies should be kept out of office.</quote> How?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:46:02 PM #24:	There's really no way you can argue around this, the cake discussion was overblown and misunderstood. The bottom line is that you cannot force another individual, or even another company, to produce a custom item to your specifications. They offered alternatives, which were turned down. If they had refused service entirely, then you would have a case. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281267] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>There's really no way you can argue around this, the cake discussion was overblown and misunderstood. The bottom line is that you cannot force another individual, or even another company, to produce a custom item to your specifications. They offered alternatives, which were turned down. If they had refused service entirely, then you would have a case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:46:10 PM #25:	Kaz13 posted... He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding. That's literally refusing service. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281275] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaz13 posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding.</quote> That's literally refusing service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QuantumTheory 05/23/19 4:47:16 PM #26:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Kaz13 posted... He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding. That's literally refusing service. Should he be forced to provide a service? --- Nothing is real. <cite>QuantumTheory posted [p:922281324] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaz13 posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding.</quote> That's literally refusing service.</quote> Should he be forced to provide a service?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:47:51 PM #27:	DarkRoast posted... they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would it have been provided to a straight couple? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281347] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. </quote> Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would it have been provided to a straight couple?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:48:41 PM #28:	Quantum theory, you're not correct, what he actually refused to do was designed cake explicitly for a gay wedding using iconography he disagreed with. He was willing to produce a generic wedding cake. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281385] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Quantum theory, you're not correct, what he actually refused to do was designed cake explicitly for a gay wedding using iconography he disagreed with. He was willing to produce a generic wedding cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:48:46 PM #29:	QuantumTheory posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Kaz13 posted... He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding. That's literally refusing service. Should he be forced to provide a service? No. If he doesn't want to provide the service he doesn't have to, provided he refuses it equally to all people. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281388] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>QuantumTheory posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaz13 posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't refuse service flatly, just that he wasn't interested in baking them a cake for a gay wedding.</quote> That's literally refusing service.</quote> Should he be forced to provide a service?</quote> No. If he doesn't want to provide the service he doesn't have to, provided he refuses it equally to all people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:49:27 PM #30:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple? he was willing to provide the exact same style of cake that he offered to straight couples. I'm sorry, no matter how you try to spin this, you cannot force an individual to produce a custom item that you want. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281422] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. </quote> Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple?</quote> he was willing to provide the exact same style of cake that he offered to straight couples. I'm sorry, no matter how you try to spin this, you cannot force an individual to produce a custom item that you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 05/23/19 4:50:41 PM #31:	DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason. The law disagrees. Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake. I am tempted to sig this --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>Machete posted [p:922281482] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much the dumbest outrage story in ages. Those bakers had a right to refuse designs, regardless of the reason.</quote> The law disagrees.</quote> Because I could really go for a Costco condom cake.</quote> I am tempted to sig this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:51:10 PM #32:	DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple? he was willing to provide the exact same style of cake that he offered to straight couples. I'm sorry, no matter how you try to spin this, you cannot force an individual to produce a custom item that you want. Which case are you talking about? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281504] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. </quote> Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple?</quote> he was willing to provide the exact same style of cake that he offered to straight couples. I'm sorry, no matter how you try to spin this, you cannot force an individual to produce a custom item that you want.</quote> Which case are you talking about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/23/19 4:52:51 PM #33:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple? dude, forcing someone to do something is wrong no matter what it is. screw your personal bias. its wrong to force a woman to carry a rape baby, its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. removing choice is wrong. is it dickish to not make a cake because of personal beliefs? probably. but thats the choice being made. you cant hold a stance that allows one group of people to have a choice and others not, even if it rustles jimmys. thats being hypocritical and not having an internal consisity. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:922281590] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>they did offer wedding cakes for the gay couple, just not the design the gay couple wanted. </quote> Which case are you talking about? What was the specific design that was refused, and would have been provided to a straight couple?</quote> dude, forcing someone to do something is wrong no matter what it is. screw your personal bias. its wrong to force a woman to carry a rape baby, its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. removing choice is wrong. is it dickish to not make a cake because of personal beliefs? probably. but thats the choice being made. you cant hold a stance that allows one group of people to have a choice and others not, even if it rustles jimmys. thats being hypocritical and not having an internal consisity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 05/23/19 4:54:47 PM #34:	Drugs should be legal the war on drugs has failed its easy to get them anyway Guns need to be illegal so people can't get them! #liberalsocialism Don't frame your arguments around apples and oranges. Business rights, when life begins, the benefits of banning drugs, and the benefits of banning guns have their own independent reasonings. Anyone can simplify it to disingenuous sound bytes that show you have no intellectual capacity to bother having any conversation that isn't an echo chamber of ignorance. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:922281669] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Drugs should be legal the war on drugs has failed its easy to get them anyway Guns need to be illegal so people can't get them! #liberalsocialism Don't frame your arguments around apples and oranges. Business rights, when life begins, the benefits of banning drugs, and the benefits of banning guns have their own independent reasonings. Anyone can simplify it to disingenuous sound bytes that show you have no intellectual capacity to bother having any conversation that isn't an echo chamber of ignorance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:55:23 PM #35:	You can't refuse service to someone because they're gay. You can, however, refuse to make the exact product they want. You can sell them a generic one, or customized like the ones you make for everyone else. Costco will make a happy face cake for you, but they won't make a Hitler Hentai cake. The baker will make a wedding cake, but only designs he's willing to make. It doesn't violate anyone's rights when he refuses to make a specific design. Conversely, it violates his rights if you force him to make it. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281704] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>You can't refuse service to someone because they're gay. You can, however, refuse to make the exact product they want. You can sell them a generic one, or customized like the ones you make for everyone else. Costco will make a happy face cake for you, but they won't make a Hitler Hentai cake. The baker will make a wedding cake, but only designs he's willing to make. It doesn't violate anyone's rights when he refuses to make a specific design. Conversely, it violates his rights if you force him to make it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 05/23/19 4:55:31 PM #36:	Shoulda just given them a blank sheetcake and some frosting so they can write their own "Conrabdulations on yer gay weddin'" message themselves. That's classy, right? --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:922281710] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Shoulda just given them a blank sheetcake and some frosting so they can write their own "Conrabdulations on yer gay weddin'" message themselves. That's classy, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 4:57:12 PM #37:	GasMonkey posted... its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922281792] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims.</quote> Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 4:59:24 PM #38:	TrevorBlack79 posted... GasMonkey posted... its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state. There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922281907] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims.</quote> Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state.</quote> There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 05/23/19 4:59:58 PM #39:	DarkRoast posted... You can't refuse service to someone because they're gay. You can, however, refuse to make the exact product they want. You can sell them a generic one, or customized like the ones you make for everyone else. Costco will make a happy face cake for you, but they won't make a Hitler Hentai cake. The baker will make a wedding cake, but only designs he's willing to make. It doesn't violate anyone's rights when he refuses to make a specific design. Conversely, it violates his rights if you force him to make it. stop it. some people have already made up their mind to be outraged over nothing. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:922281945] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote>You can't refuse service to someone because they're gay. You can, however, refuse to make the exact product they want. You can sell them a generic one, or customized like the ones you make for everyone else. Costco will make a happy face cake for you, but they won't make a Hitler Hentai cake. The baker will make a wedding cake, but only designs he's willing to make. It doesn't violate anyone's rights when he refuses to make a specific design. Conversely, it violates his rights if you force him to make it.</quote> stop it. some people have already made up their mind to be outraged over nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
burritosatan 05/23/19 5:00:21 PM #40:	BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism More like #religion --- Same sex marriage is not gay privilege, its equal rights. Privilege would be something like gay people not paying taxes. Like churches don't <cite>burritosatan posted [p:922281964] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism</quote> More like #religion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 05/23/19 5:01:00 PM #41:	burritosatan posted... BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism More like #religion the majority of which is conservative --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:922281989] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>burritosatan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism</quote> More like #religion</quote> the majority of which is conservative</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 5:01:48 PM #42:	DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... GasMonkey posted... its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state. There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples. 1. TIL nondiscrimination laws don't exist. 2. Which case are you talking about? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922282026] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims.</quote> Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state.</quote> There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples.</quote> 1. TIL nondiscrimination laws don't exist. 2. Which case are you talking about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
burritosatan 05/23/19 5:02:39 PM #43:	HylianFox posted... burritosatan posted... BalanceLost posted... Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism More like #religion the majority of which is conservative Not their fault God is a conservative what do you want --- Same sex marriage is not gay privilege, its equal rights. Privilege would be something like gay people not paying taxes. Like churches don't <cite>burritosatan posted [p:922282068] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>burritosatan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BalanceLost posted...</cite> <quote>Forcing a minor to give birth to her rapists baby? Yes! #socialconservatism</quote> More like #religion</quote> the majority of which is conservative</quote> Not their fault God is a conservative what do you want</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Laserion 05/23/19 5:03:13 PM #44:	It will all be solved when we finally get this "baby in a bag" thing going. --- There is no "would of", "should of" or "could of". There is "would've", "should've" and "could've". <cite>Laserion posted [p:922282093] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>It will all be solved when we finally get this "baby in a bag" thing going.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 5:03:34 PM #45:	TrevorBlack79 posted... DarkRoast posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... GasMonkey posted... its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims. Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state. There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples. 1. TIL nondiscrimination laws don't exist. 2. Which case are you talking about? You're discriminating against furries if you refuse to make a yiffing or clopping cake, right? The baker has the right to choose which custom designs he's willing to make. He doesn't have the right to refuse service to a gay person, but he can say he's only willing to sell certain designs. It's literally the most cut and dried case of first amendment rights that exists. You can't force someone to make any customized item you want. It's not complicated. It's why Costco will sell me a smiley cake but not a giant penis cake that shoots out frosting. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922282105] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote>its wrong to force somebody to labor for your whims.</quote> Literally no one is doing this. The baker opened a business, and in doing so agreed to obey the laws of the city and state they operate in. If you don't want to obey the law then you don't get to open a business in that city or state.</quote> There is no law that forces the baker to make any customized product someone wants. Cut the BS. He offered the same cake he offered straight couples.</quote> 1. TIL nondiscrimination laws don't exist. 2. Which case are you talking about?</quote> You're discriminating against furries if you refuse to make a yiffing or clopping cake, right? The baker has the right to choose which custom designs he's willing to make. He doesn't have the right to refuse service to a gay person, but he can say he's only willing to sell certain designs. It's literally the most cut and dried case of first amendment rights that exists. You can't force someone to make any customized item you want. It's not complicated. It's why Costco will sell me a smiley cake but not a giant penis cake that shoots out frosting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 05/23/19 5:05:06 PM #46:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Which case are you talking about? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:922282174] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Which case are you talking about?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 05/23/19 5:06:55 PM #47:	not all discrimination is equal. that's been established multiple times when bigots show utter intolerance for the manji symbol. --- https://i.imgtc.com/PruZV73.png https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn <cite>ModLogic posted [p:922282267] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>not all discrimination is equal. that's been established multiple times when bigots show utter intolerance for the manji symbol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 05/23/19 5:07:02 PM #48:	What is the cake in this particular example? If it's "Congratulations on your wedding Todd and Howard" with two groom figures, I don't think there's any way you could say the person is being forced to make a design against their wishes unless they would refuse to put the names of a straight couple and groom and bride figures. I feel you'd need an extremely flamboyant cake to have any grounds for refusal. <cite>nemu posted [p:922282272] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>What is the cake in this particular example? If it's "Congratulations on your wedding Todd and Howard" with two groom figures, I don't think there's any way you could say the person is being forced to make a design against their wishes unless they would refuse to put the names of a straight couple and groom and bride figures. I feel you'd need an extremely flamboyant cake to have any grounds for refusal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/23/19 5:08:15 PM #49:	Nobody dies if you don't bake a cake. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:922282320] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote>Nobody dies if you don't bake a cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 05/23/19 5:08:54 PM #50:	nemu posted... What is the cake in this particular example? If it's "Congratulations on your wedding Todd and Howard" with two groom figures, I don't think there's any way you could say the person is being forced to make a design against their wishes unless they would refuse to put the names of a straight couple and groom and bride figures. I feel you'd need an extremely flamboyant cake to have any grounds for refusal. You can literally refuse to make a white cake if you're so inclined. Trying to set limits is missing the bigger picture - you shouldn't be able to tell someone else to make something exactly the way you want. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922282353] in Baking a c... [t:77735488]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>What is the cake in this particular example? If it's "Congratulations on your wedding Todd and Howard" with two groom figures, I don't think there's any way you could say the person is being forced to make a design against their wishes unless they would refuse to put the names of a straight couple and groom and bride figures. I feel you'd need an extremely flamboyant cake to have any grounds for refusal.</quote> You can literally refuse to make a white cake if you're so inclined. Trying to set limits is missing the bigger picture - you shouldn't be able to tell someone else to make something exactly the way you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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