Board 8 > Kevin Spacey Stats and Discussion

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https://twitter.com/kevinspacey/status/1077263549326651392?s=21

this video is the most insane thing ever
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also the timing is incredible

https://twitter.com/twittermoments/status/1077296075839598592?s=21
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um

what
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so, uh, that was surreal
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this is like when oj wrote a book about how he murdered his ex-wife, even though he didn't* (*he totally did)

except oj had already been to trial, while kevin spacey is set to go to trial
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I remember reading that Weinstein still seemed to be under the impression that things were going to blow over and he was going to be able to go back to his old pre-people-knowing-he-was-a-piece-of-shit-sexual-assaulter life. Guess Spacey must think the same thing!
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Bitch, house of cards got bad way before your character was written out lmao
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Is he doing an existing character? I don't understand. In any case that's some level of narcissism and detachment from reality.

EDIT - oh that's his House of Cards character? I never watched it. That's even weirder than him just speaking as himself.
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...Huh.
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Poor Kevin, he looks so bad in the video
No makeup or good camera quality or good clothes, he looks like a mess

Also this Youtube comment sums up this video perfectly-

These three minutes were more entertaining than the entire 6th season of House of Cards.

Did anyone here watch it? no? go and do it. This is one of the worst seasons in TV history. It's a complete mess from start to finish. A disasterous trainwreck
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...what

Is he... trying to shift the blame to his character? Or pretend it was all a stunt?
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He's also washing his hands of it
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God that's fuckin weird and creepy
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He stole my Mercedes. Had a lot of merch in it! I didn't stop him though, because I was just blinded by the balls on that kid.
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Nanis23 posted...

These three minutes were more entertaining than the entire 6th season of House of Cards.

Did anyone here watch it? no? go and do it. This is one of the worst seasons in TV history. It's a complete mess from start to finish. A disasterous trainwreck

Wow well when you put it that way how can I not watch it
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there is way too much good tv out there for me to have any desire to continue watching house of cards

tbh Nanis' description makes me want to watch it, I love trainwrecks

but I've never watched any and 6 seasons is too much of a commitment
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HoC was bad since S1, but at least it was charming enough. It lost its charm and was just plain bad in S2, and then in S3 they really put in a ton of effort to make the worst show they possibly could. I can't imagine how bad it was 3 more seasons later.
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I've never watched HoC, but I know a little about it. What made its last season so bad? All I know is that Kevin Spacey dies off screen.
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what the fuck
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Anagram posted...

I've never watched HoC, but I know a little about it. What made its last season so bad? All I know is that Kevin Spacey dies off screen.

well he was the main character and they had to like totally rewrite the last season to somehow not be about the show's main character anymore so that can't have helped
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I couldn't get through season 3 and I heard 4 was bad too
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Season 1 was decent tv. Season 2 is where the show jumped the metro train
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foolm0r0n posted...

HoC was bad since S1, but at least it was charming enough. It lost its charm and was just plain bad in S2, and then in S3 they really put in a ton of effort to make the worst show they possibly could. I can't imagine how bad it was 3 more seasons later.

I got to the episode in season 2 where he straight up decided to be a serial killer. That pretty much ruined any chance I could take it seriously.
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it's been a while since i watched seasons 1 and 2 but i remember being a bit disappointed when he killed people because i liked the idea that we were watching a show about someone who has to politically manipulate everything, not someone who can just resort to saying "well ok, can't get this with psychological tactics, guess i'll just kill"

That's definitely when it went downhill

I think it's worth it to see S02E01, stop immediately after that or else
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Dels posted...

it's been a while since i watched seasons 1 and 2 but i remember being a bit disappointed when he killed people because i liked the idea that we were watching a show about someone who has to politically manipulate everything, not someone who can just resort to saying "well ok, can't get this with psychological tactics, guess i'll just kill"

Agreed, I got to the part where he killed the bald guy and dropped it shortly after
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I agree it isn't realistic much but I thought those scenes were good, the peak was definitely S2E1 and the whole show should have ended with "the knock"
Everything went downhill fast after that
S6 is the worst by far, they jump from plotline to plotline without resolving them, it's just a mess
But S5 had it's own share of stupid moments too like Frank pushing Catherine Durant to fall from stairs...and she gets into coma. From falling...LITERALLY 4 stairs
https://imgur.com/bpEpk0t
I wish I was kidding
Also Claire kills that Tom guy for no reason and that "Frank's Ancestor" actor guy fall in love with Frank and they kiss and then he suicides because Frank quit being a president
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lmao
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Dels posted...

it's been a while since i watched seasons 1 and 2 but i remember being a bit disappointed when he killed people because i liked the idea that we were watching a show about someone who has to politically manipulate everything, not someone who can just resort to saying "well ok, can't get this with psychological tactics, guess i'll just kill"

I couldn't put my finger on it but this is it. I'm usually a proponent of killing off your characters but this is why the show died to me even during S1, though I really gave it a good try for another two seasons.
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Nanis23 posted...

I agree it isn't realistic much but I thought those scenes were good, the peak was definitely S2E1 and the whole show should have ended with "the knock"
Everything went downhill fast after that
S6 is the worst by far, they jump from plotline to plotline without resolving them, it's just a mess
But S5 had it's own share of stupid moments too like Frank pushing Catherine Durant to fall from stairs...and she gets into coma. From falling...LITERALLY 4 stairs
https://imgur.com/bpEpk0t
I wish I was kidding
Also Claire kills that Tom guy for no reason and that "Frank's Ancestor" actor guy fall in love with Frank and they kiss and then he suicides because Frank quit being a president

To be fair, landing the wrong way can cause serious injury regardless of the height.
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I believe OSHA defines any fall > 5 feet to be "potentially fatal."
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The thing that made it super stupid was that he needed her to either die or fall into a coma from falling a few steps, which certainly isn't a guarantee. If she just broke her hip and started screaming he would've been even more screwed than before. There's absolutely no reason they couldn't have just had the scene take place at a much larger staircase.
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redrocket posted...

I believe OSHA defines any fall > 5 feet to be "potentially fatal."

If you are walking and slip on ice you can still hit your head hard enough to lose consciousness, if you lose consciousness you can fall into a coma. I'm not defending the writing of this show in any means just the fact that any fall can be serious.
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I laughed out loud when he pushed her down the stairs. It was so utterly, unashamedly preposterous I almost had to give it credit
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Nanis23 posted...

I agree it isn't realistic much but I thought those scenes were good, the peak was definitely S2E1 and the whole show should have ended with "the knock"
Everything went downhill fast after that
S6 is the worst by far, they jump from plotline to plotline without resolving them, it's just a mess
But S5 had it's own share of stupid moments too like Frank pushing Catherine Durant to fall from stairs...and she gets into coma. From falling...LITERALLY 4 stairs
https://imgur.com/bpEpk0t
I wish I was kidding
Also Claire kills that Tom guy for no reason and that "Frank's Ancestor" actor guy fall in love with Frank and they kiss and then he suicides because Frank quit being a president

To be fair, landing the wrong way can cause serious injury regardless of the height.

True
There is a scene in Dunkirk where someone is pushed down a few stairs by mistake, lose consciousness, then a few minutes later wake up and say he can't see anything, and then later dies
But it's not the only problem with that scene
It was too luck based, it was too risky, it had no future to it as she would say it was him pushing her, and like Roba said, there was just no reason at all to not make it be from a larger staircase
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yeah, house of cards was never good. never had regrets about dropping it after S2 ended.

the scene where frank sings a capella with his old mates was good though
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S1 House of Cards is amazing imo
S2 is really good
S3-5 are alright but get progressively less good
didn't watch S6 because it just seems terrible
this video is amazing
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pjbasis posted...

Dels posted...

it's been a while since i watched seasons 1 and 2 but i remember being a bit disappointed when he killed people because i liked the idea that we were watching a show about someone who has to politically manipulate everything, not someone who can just resort to saying "well ok, can't get this with psychological tactics, guess i'll just kill"

I couldn't put my finger on it but this is it. I'm usually a proponent of killing off your characters but this is why the show died to me even during S1, though I really gave it a good try for another two seasons.

I thought season one was totally fine and interesting because it was the buildup of the entire season, felt like it had gravity and consequences, everyone was careful, and the character was going to be playing cover up for the rest of his life.

The series was ruined in a few ways- first, when they got rid of consequences, and people could just kill whimsically. In season 1 they had to build this bullet proof background of alcoholism and depression. In season 2 they just walk past some security cameras, push someone into a train and hope the police never check her text messages. That one incident could've been sort of okay, and was a neat subversion of expextations, but they just kept getting zanier from there

Second, the whole series was predicated on the somehow special relationship between Frank and claire. In season 3 I think it was revealed they were just poor communicators, and that ruined any mystique that was left. It just became a normal drama
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Can I also talk about the elephant in the room?
I really don't want to sound like Ulti, but it's not a secret House of Cards turned to be more feminist with every season
I mean, this is a thing that happened - (season 6 spoilers if for some reason you care)
https://imgur.com/hsODSRA
I just...what. They forced it way too much and it shows. I don't believe there is one single thing in media that didn't get worse once the writers decided to push their agenda into their product
You know me. You know what my opinions are. And I liked Life is Strange because it felt natural. It felt like they just decided that this is going to be the theme of the story and went with it
In House of Cards it just feels like they slapped it in because they wanted to create controversy or just push their agenda
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so I wouldn't say it got that way more with every season

but yeah you can tell just by the trailer for season 6 that it was trying to appeal more to people who were mad at Kevin Spacey than it was House of Cards fans. Everything about season 6 seems to be a weird mix of pandering and self-protection

and I say as someone who considers himself a feminist
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Nanis23 posted...

I mean, this is a thing that happened - (season 6 spoilers if for some reason you care)
https://imgur.com/hsODSRA

tbh that's a pretty sweet pic

not good in a modern American political drama (unrealistic and immersion-breaking) but if it were fantasy/SF I'd be all for that
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Nanis23 posted...

You know me. You know what my opinions are. And I liked Life is Strange because it felt natural. It felt like they just decided that this is going to be the theme of the story and went with it
In House of Cards it just feels like they slapped it in because they wanted to create controversy or just push their agenda

And yet you still would rather blame the feminism instead of the shitty writers that were ruining the show shit since S2

If you don't try to blame feminism for every little problem in the world, you won't ever have to say things like "I don't want to sound like Ulti"
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanis23 posted...

You know me. You know what my opinions are. And I liked Life is Strange because it felt natural. It felt like they just decided that this is going to be the theme of the story and went with it
In House of Cards it just feels like they slapped it in because they wanted to create controversy or just push their agenda

And yet you still would rather blame the feminism instead of the shitty writers that were ruining the show shit since S2

If you don't try to blame feminism for every little problem in the world, you won't ever have to say things like "I don't want to sound like Ulti"

Except I did mention shitty stuff from Season 5 that didn't have anything to do with feminism
And I can name thousands more things

It wasn't my inital "this show sucks" post
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Why is a show "going feminist" a bad thing in and of itself? You can't post a screenshot of women in a room and say that that's inherently bad. I see people suspend their disbelief all the time but the second it's about empowered women it's tacked on and trying too hard, lol.
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so does this make more sense if you have context beyond "this dude was on a show and then got accused of stuff" or nah?
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Omniscientless posted...

Why is a show "going feminist" a bad thing in and of itself? You can't post a screenshot of women in a room and say that that's inherently bad. I see people suspend their disbelief all the time but the second it's about empowered women it's tacked on and trying too hard, lol.

You really thing a full-woman cabinet is a good thing?
If it doesn't scream FEMINISM in caps bold letter I don't know what is

Nothing against women, it should be 50-50 if anything
A cabinet that is full of just men and the president waving around that fact would be just as bad
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Nanis23 posted...

Except I did mention shitty stuff from Season 5 that didn't have anything to do with feminism
And I can name thousands more things

It wasn't my inital "this show sucks" post

Right but you just had to end up there. It cheapens all your other discussion about the show cuz it seems like you were just itching to get to this lame angle.
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banananor posted...

Second, the whole series was predicated on the somehow special relationship between Frank and claire. In season 3 I think it was revealed they were just poor communicators, and that ruined any mystique that was left. It just became a normal drama

Actually good point. I was able to continue watching until I also felt like their dynamic became a lot more trite.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Right but you just had to end up there

No I didn't
I wanted to say this
And so I did
And if you have a problem with it you can fuck off

Your entire gimmick is to be Board 8 White Knight, you are too predictable
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