Poll of the Day > If you don't think baby it's Cold outside is rapey then listen to it with the

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Lord_Shadow posted...

Rolls reversed

That video is far from the first instance of role reversal with that song. There have been reversed versions out there for decades.
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Lord_Shadow posted...

Rolls reversed

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The only thing the whole "Baby it's cold outside" controversy has taught me is that I should start predicting the future and selling those predictions for money because I sat in a restaurant 4 years ago listening to that song and figured people would start freaking out about it in the near future.

Bow down to your new god bitches, I am Nostradamus!!!
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Baby, It's Cold Outside is a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so.

If you think anything beyond that you're delusional.

I guess we should start the bandwagon hating on the grinch too, for promoting home invasion and burglary.
Not to mention the fact that it's homophobic. See, it's heavily implied that the grinch has same sex parents. And his appearance alludes to the fact that children of these couples are hideously grotesque, ugly monsters.
Not only that, it also promotes bigotry and racism, considering the way everyone in whoville treats the grinch based on the color of his skin and his appearance.

LET'S START THE WAR AGAINST THE GRINCH! TIME TO BAN THIS FILM GLOBALLY! IT IS BEYOND PROBLEMATIC!

See how stupid this sounds?
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Frosty smokes a pipe and plays with children, while not wearing pants.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Frosty smokes a pipe and plays with children, while not wearing pants.

Hes also probably not smoking tobacco if he thinks everyday is his birthday...
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I heard there were rolls in this topic please guys I'm so hungry
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People are only now just talking about that song being rapey? I've thought that about the song since forever.
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green dragon posted...

I've thought that about the song since forever.

It's only because you're uninformed about the culture during the time that song was written.

This song isn't rapey at all.
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Nothing about the song implies any sort of rape or non consensual vibes

People are just trying way too hard to be PC
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i like santa baby because its about a girl getting plowed by santa

The answer is no.

I dont need any other lines or context. If a woman says this and you dont stop, thats sexual assault brotha.
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I hear it's rather elegant in the original klingon.
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Mead posted...

Nothing about the song implies any sort of rape or non consensual vibes

People are just trying way too hard to be PC

When a woman says the answer is no, does that usually imply consent? No is usually the word people say when consenting right?
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Mead posted...

Nothing about the song implies any sort of rape or non consensual vibes

Eh, the song definitely has an overall theme of pressuring her into staying. Looking at it through a contemporary lens, one can describe it as the girl saying no because she isn't allowed to say yes even though she wants to, but regardless of that, the whole song is a matter of the guy not taking no for an answer. Does that mean the song should be banned? No. If nothing else, there are far worse songs out there that nobody thinks twice about. But in an era where sexual consent is a prominent social issue, it's absolutely worth having this discussion, and recognizing that "the answer is no" should be met with "okay have a good night," not "but baby it's cold outside." It's a fun, flirtatious song, but people need to be aware of the fact that it doesn't represent a healthy, consensual relationship in today's world.

Just FYI, the parts arent written as male and female. They are written as wolf and mouse because as everybody knows predators and prey is a consensual arrangement.
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kangolcone posted...

They are written as wolf and mouse because as everybody knows predators and prey is a consensual arrangement.

It can be, but that's an arrangement that requires previously-granted consent and a great deal of mutual trust, including a guaranteed way out if the need arises.

_AdjI_ posted...

kangolcone posted...

They are written as wolf and mouse because as everybody knows predators and prey is a consensual arrangement.

It can be, but that's an arrangement that requires previously-granted consent and a great deal of mutual trust, including a guaranteed way out if the need arises.

Show me the video of the mouse being chased by a cat, dog or wolf where the mouse is assisting its own demise. Usually, from all the evidence Ive seen, mice run when the threat of being eaten is upon them.
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kangolcone posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

kangolcone posted...

They are written as wolf and mouse because as everybody knows predators and prey is a consensual arrangement.

It can be, but that's an arrangement that requires previously-granted consent and a great deal of mutual trust, including a guaranteed way out if the need arises.

Show me the video of the mouse being chased by a cat, dog or wolf where the mouse is assisting its own demise. Usually, from all the evidence Ive seen, mice run when the threat of being eaten is upon them.

Without exception, everything is somebody's fetish.

Fair enough.
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...

i like santa baby because its about a girl getting plowed by santa

I like "I'm gonna lasso santa claus" because it's about a girl finding, tying up, and murdering santa
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_AdjI_ posted...

Mead posted...

Nothing about the song implies any sort of rape or non consensual vibes

Eh, the song definitely has an overall theme of pressuring her into staying. Looking at it through a contemporary lens, one can describe it as the girl saying no because she isn't allowed to say yes even though she wants to, but regardless of that, the whole song is a matter of the guy not taking no for an answer. Does that mean the song should be banned? No. If nothing else, there are far worse songs out there that nobody thinks twice about. But in an era where sexual consent is a prominent social issue, it's absolutely worth having this discussion, and recognizing that "the answer is no" should be met with "okay have a good night," not "but baby it's cold outside." It's a fun, flirtatious song, but people need to be aware of the fact that it doesn't represent a healthy, consensual relationship in today's world.

Listen to the song the and you can tell the girl likes the guy and actually wants to stay

People are really reaching by trying to turn it into something gross
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Mead posted...

Listen to the song the and you can tell the girl likes the guy and actually wants to stay

That depends entirely on the performance. As the lyrics are written, it's completely possible to play it as her resistance being beaten down. It's also completely possible to play it as her being coy and playful. What you end up with is entirely a matter of how the performers choose to portray it. Generally, people performing it go for the fun, playful end of things, because that's a whole lot more enjoyable to listen to, but that doesn't mean it can't go the other way.

Mead posted...

People are really reaching by trying to turn it into something gross

It's mostly that "'No' doesn't mean 'convince me'" is a pretty significant element of the push for a better understanding of consent, and one of the more nuanced ones that people struggle with. The song very much depicts her saying "no" as actually being "convince me," so it's pretty reasonable that people would take issue with it being unquestioningly included in popular culture, even if more nuanced analysis reveals that this specific case isn't necessarily an example of undue pressure.

Again, I think deciding to never broadcast it again is a bit much, but having this dialog is only a good thing.

DrCidd posted...

Baby, It's Cold Outside is a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so.

If you think anything beyond that you're delusional.

This is the truth. People don't understand context. Some of lines like "The answer is no" seem bad if you can't understand context.

ungubby posted...

LaggnFragnLarry posted...

i like santa baby because its about a girl getting plowed by santa

I like "I'm gonna lasso santa claus" because it's about a girl finding, tying up, and murdering santa

another classic

Mead posted...

Listen to the song the and you can tell the girl likes the guy and actually wants to stay

Exactly. She's saying no because that's what good girls were supposed to say. But she doesn't actually try to go because she wants him to convince her that it's ok to do what she wants and stay.

_AdjI_ posted...

That depends entirely on the performance.

Not really. The intent of the person who wrote it is what matters. It was their song, their vision, their story. They decide what it actually means. Any other modern interpretation or twisting of it's meaning is irrelevant.

DrCidd posted...

green dragon posted...

I've thought that about the song since forever.

It's only because you're uninformed about the culture during the time that song was written.

This song isn't rapey at all.

It was a culture of people attempting to hook up and possibly have sex. Sounds kind of familiar if you ask me.
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Remind me of Key and Peel stay the night:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/btjecx/key-and-peele-just-stay-for-the-night

Also, I always figured she wanted to stay and was kind of flirting a little.

People do try to change things. And are VERY PC these days. They also sometimes dont understand certain phrases from different times. Like when they thought Brittney Spears was telling some guy to hit her one more time...
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DrCidd posted...

Baby, It's Cold Outside is a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so.

If you think anything beyond that you're delusional.

At least one person here gets it.
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TentacleDemon posted...

Not really. The intent of the person who wrote it is what matters. It was their song, their vision, their story. They decide what it actually means. Any other modern interpretation or twisting of it's meaning is irrelevant.

And that's why this dialog is important: Because it needs to be contextualized and not just taken at face value in a very different world. It's no longer okay to hear "no" and mentally append "change my mind" to it, so the way the song romanticizes that approach to consent is very much worth criticizing and analyzing through a modern lens. It's important to make the distinction between its original context and the modern world.

Also, the whole "author's opinion is the only thing that matters" attitude toward works of art is pretty questionable. There's often plenty of room for analysis and interpretation beyond what the author explicitly intended, especially with the benefit of hindsight into the historical context. That's a broader discussion than this topic, though, so I'll leave it at that.

this topic is dumb

the songs not about rape or pressure at all, now go listen to smell yo dick
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Dikitain posted...

The only thing the whole "Baby it's cold outside" controversy has taught me is that I should start predicting the future and selling those predictions for money because I sat in a restaurant 4 years ago listening to that song and figured people would start freaking out about it in the near future.

Bow down to your new god bitches, I am Nostradamus!!!

I mean, SJWs and leftist loons are only the most predictable people on Earth. Hence the NPC meme.
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It's not up to me to provide the quote; it's up to the accuser who's making the claim to quote a line.
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Bulbasaur posted...

this topic is dumb

the songs not about rape or pressure at all, now go listen to smell yo dick

I wasn't even being serious...
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You can't rape the willing, ok?
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Whenever I hear that song I think of Bill Cosby trying to rape Taylor Swift
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I think its about two people denying their feelings for one another. Both want to get to know each other without risking putting themselves out there and feeling rejected so they come up with little excuses to prolong their departure.

I thought the controversial line was "Say, what's in this drink?"
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_AdjI_ posted...

TentacleDemon posted...

Not really. The intent of the person who wrote it is what matters. It was their song, their vision, their story. They decide what it actually means. Any other modern interpretation or twisting of it's meaning is irrelevant.

And that's why this dialog is important: Because it needs to be contextualized and not just taken at face value in a very different world. It's no longer okay to hear "no" and mentally append "change my mind" to it, so the way the song romanticizes that approach to consent is very much worth criticizing and analyzing through a modern lens. It's important to make the distinction between its original context and the modern world.

Also, the whole "author's opinion is the only thing that matters" attitude toward works of art is pretty questionable. There's often plenty of room for analysis and interpretation beyond what the author explicitly intended, especially with the benefit of hindsight into the historical context. That's a broader discussion than this topic, though, so I'll leave it at that.

People like you wanna write two paragraphs about this song that's not about rape and then ignore all the rap that's rapey because it's okay because a white guy didn't write it

https://imgur.com/a/2e6UGXd

OhhhJa posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

TentacleDemon posted...

Not really. The intent of the person who wrote it is what matters. It was their song, their vision, their story. They decide what it actually means. Any other modern interpretation or twisting of it's meaning is irrelevant.

And that's why this dialog is important: Because it needs to be contextualized and not just taken at face value in a very different world. It's no longer okay to hear "no" and mentally append "change my mind" to it, so the way the song romanticizes that approach to consent is very much worth criticizing and analyzing through a modern lens. It's important to make the distinction between its original context and the modern world.

Also, the whole "author's opinion is the only thing that matters" attitude toward works of art is pretty questionable. There's often plenty of room for analysis and interpretation beyond what the author explicitly intended, especially with the benefit of hindsight into the historical context. That's a broader discussion than this topic, though, so I'll leave it at that.

People like you wanna write two paragraphs about this song that's not about rape and then ignore all the rap that's rapey because it's okay because a white guy didn't write it

https://imgur.com/a/2e6UGXd

Rap is only rape without the e, ok?
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LaggnFragnLarry posted...

i like santa baby because its about a girl getting plowed by santa

I liked Naya Riveras performance of that song on Glee
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OhhhJa posted...

People like you wanna write two paragraphs about this song that's not about rape and then ignore all the rap that's rapey because it's okay because a white guy didn't write it

_AdjI_ posted...

Does that mean the song should be banned? No. If nothing else, there are far worse songs out there that nobody thinks twice about.

I'm not about to repeat myself if I have no reason to.

Metalsonic66 posted...

I thought the controversial line was "Say, what's in this drink?"

In the modern world, that immediately conjures up the image of roofies, but that one is more easily explained away as an old colloquialism (used to suggest that their current behaviour should be blamed on the alcohol rather than seen as reflective of them). The various forms of "no," not so much. The "no means yes here" explanation, while not necessarily inaccurate, is still concerning because that exact attitude is frequently employed in pushing people into sex. I've joked for a few years now that revising the song to reflect a modern understanding of consent would go roughly as follows:

-"I really can't stay"
-"Oh, that's too bad. Would you like to do this again some time?"
END OF SONG

That's more than a bit facetious, obviously, but it's not entirely wrong, either. Does that make the real thing a bad song? Not at all. It's still good fun. It's just important to recognize that it's not a good idea to romanticize that relationship because that's no longer considered respectful, consensual behaviour.

Honestly I've always disliked the song because I thought it was super creepy and other people acted like I was weird. It surprises me it took this long for someone to question it or make something of it.
It's made me uncomfortable since I was old enough to understand what it was about.
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Whats in this drink to me just means that it was a strong drink
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Mead posted...

Whats in this drink to me just means that it was a strong drink

Obviously that's what it means but whenever I've heard anyone talk about this song giving off the wrong vibes, that line comes up.
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DrCidd posted...

Not to mention the fact that it's homophobic. See, it's heavily implied that the grinch has same sex parents. And his appearance alludes to the fact that children of these couples are hideously grotesque, ugly monsters.
Not only that, it also promotes bigotry and racism, considering the way everyone in whoville treats the grinch based on the color of his skin and his appearance.

I really hope you don't believe any of this shit.

kangolcone posted...

Just FYI, the parts arent written as male and female. They are written as wolf and mouse because as everybody knows predators and prey is a consensual arrangement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o" data-time="

Metalsonic66 posted...

Obviously that's what it means but whenever I've heard anyone talk about this song giving off the wrong vibes, that line comes up.

And they're morons since roofies didn't even exist in the 1940s.
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If you dont think baby, it's cold outside is rapey then listen to it with Bill Cosby singing

Revelation34 posted...

And they're morons since roofies didn't even exist in the 1940s.

Doesn't even necessarily have to be that. Could be just a stronger drink in order to get her drunk faster.
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