Poll of the Day > Man, I forgot just fucking expensive video games are.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Just bought a Switch the other day for $299 which is all well and good.

But today, I went up to grab some games and four games plus a controller literally cost just as much.

Picked up Smash, Hyrule Warriors, FE Warriors, and Mario Odyssey.
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It's even worse with DLC, man. Indies now cost as much as a base AAA game with all the content and AAA easily gets to $100 now. It's fucking crazy.
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It really is :(
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Why are you paying full price, especially at this time of year? Constant deals out there if you have time to shop around. Smash may be too new for a discount though.

I've been out of it too long to have considered that. I haven't actually bought games in ages. Plus, my options are limited. My switch won't be online, so I have to buy physical copies.
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What's your friend code?
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Nintendo never lowers game prices which is a big reason for that
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

I've been out of it too long to have considered that. I haven't actually bought games in ages. Plus, my options are limited. My switch won't be online, so I have to buy physical copies.

Oh I won't buy anything but physical if given the choice. That's where you can save money. Pretty sure I've seen sales on Mario. Question is whether you have these stores nearby and/or the deal is still on.

Hey if you haven't opened them you can use the extended return period. Or buy a cheap copy and return that in its place.

https://slickdeals.net/f/12445303-nintendo-switch-games-super-smash-bros-ultimate-48-mario-kart-8-deluxe-45-more-free-s-h?src=frontpage

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Super-Mario-Odyssey-Nintendo-Switch/56011600?u1=e14641a4fff811e88a7b8e7a0d52cbc40INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=21950402433938152661&affillinktype=10&veh=aff

Blighboy posted...

Nintendo never lowers game prices which is a big reason for that

Yeah. The only way to really get deals for Nintendo games is to use a BOGO or BTGO...
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Blighboy posted...

Nintendo never lowers game prices which is a big reason for that

Very true which is why you need to look for store deals that don't exclude Switch games. A good way to dodge it is buying gift cards when they're on sale. Just last week Dollar General had $50 to GS for $40. I like $10 free. Used it for Tetris.

green dragon posted...

What's your friend code?

Don't know. I don't even have it hooked up. It should be delivered when I get home.
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And yeah, I'd much rather digital copies if it was feasible. Especially with physical games still having to install themselves to the HDD and becoming more and more redundant.
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Fortunately, the Switch mostly gets away from those installs. There are still patches to download here and there, but loading the games from cartridges instead of discs (coupled with the smaller maximum size for those carts) means you don't need installs.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Just bought a Switch the other day for $299 which is all well and good.

But today, I went up to grab some games and four games plus a controller literally cost just as much.

Picked up Smash, Hyrule Warriors, FE Warriors, and Mario Odyssey.

@Krow_Incarnate
What's FE Warriors? Part of the Warriors games? What's the FE part?

And yeah, the controllers are outrageous. I think they're $90 here in Canada.

The most expensive game I've ever seen was NBA Hangtime at Wal-Mart for $120.
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

And yeah, I'd much rather digital copies if it was feasible. Especially with physical games still having to install themselves to the HDD and becoming more and more redundant.

If you get a switch, you want physical. Physical, you can play almost immediately. Digital, youll probably have to wait for an hour for the bigger games...
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LinkPizza posted...

Krow_Incarnate posted...

And yeah, I'd much rather digital copies if it was feasible. Especially with physical games still having to install themselves to the HDD and becoming more and more redundant.

If you get a switch, you want physical. Physical, you can play almost immediately. Digital, youll probably have to wait for an hour for the bigger games...

Plus they can just say "Okay you don't get to play that anymore." With a disc they can't do that.
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Too bad you didn't buy it during Black friday/Cyber Monday. Nintendo had it so you could buy the system for $299 and get MK8 with it.

And on digital, Mario Odyssey was $41, And I think Hyrule Warriors was $35 or $40.
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Trust me, when price is a concern get physical media. Don't worry about installs.

FE I'm assuming is Fire Emblem.

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can
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I just bought BF V for 30 bucks...it just came out last month
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helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.
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zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

They can like block stuff. But, if you dont update, you should be fine...
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zebatov posted...

What's FE Warriors? Part of the Warriors games? What's the FE part?

Warriors game with FE characters and themes.

LinkPizza posted...

If you get a switch, you want physical. Physical, you can play almost immediately. Digital, youll probably have to wait for an hour for the bigger games...

Eh, it's not too bad, for the most part. You won't be playing immediately after purchase, no, but really, that's true of physical, too (unless you bring the system with you and start playing while somebody else takes you home). Being a portable system, I find that digital just makes sense for some games so you don't have to carry copies around.

Also, you can buy promo copies of the games, it's the same as the full release, but with a different cover and it's generally about a third or even fourth of the price.

When we hit $9 for a gallon of gas, then it's a sign that the apocalypse has started.

We're on our way...
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_AdjI_ posted...

LinkPizza posted...

If you get a switch, you want physical. Physical, you can play almost immediately. Digital, youll probably have to wait for an hour for the bigger games...

Eh, it's not too bad, for the most part. You won't be playing immediately after purchase, no, but really, that's true of physical, too (unless you bring the system with you and start playing while somebody else takes you home). Being a portable system, I find that digital just makes sense for some games so you don't have to carry copies around.

I actually do that. Well, Ill play the game a little. And it still take less than an hour to get home. Not to mention, I would need to get home to start downloading. If I was already home, I could still get to the store and back before it finished downloading. And, its cheaper at a certain place I go because I dont have to worry about tax... I also wont have to constantly mess with the switch tonmake sure it doesnt go to sleep... Not to mention, the internal memory of the switch is pretty low. You would want a card to save more games. And the good sized ones arent as cheap. And if the data gets corrupted, gotta download all the games again... And that sucks. Trust me...
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Gaming is cheaper than it has ever been.
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zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can take it away at a n y t i m e
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helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can't take it away at a n y t i m e

Are you agreeing with him?
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helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can take it away at a n y t i m e

Go away, you're wrong and stupid. Unless they can magically rewrite a disc or show up to your house to steal it, there isn't anything they can do.

LinkPizza posted...

I also wont have to constantly mess with the switch tonmake sure it doesnt go to sleep...

What? You don't have to do that. It'll download in sleep mode, or while playing another game (unless that game needs the bandwidth, in which case it'll prioritize the game).

LinkPizza posted...

Not to mention, the internal memory of the switch is pretty low. You would want a card to save more games.

That is an issue. Having even just MHGU on there meant I couldn't fit Smash, so I had to grab a card to be able to fit it on there.

LinkPizza posted...

And the good sized ones arent as cheap.

I got a 128 GB one for $35 over the Black Friday weekend. It's a non-trivial cost, sure, but you can do pretty well if you shop around for sales.

LinkPizza posted...

And if the data gets corrupted, gotta download all the games again... And that sucks. Trust me...

It would, but realistically, I tend not to be playing more than one game at a time. On the off chance everything gets corrupted, I can just redownload that one first and let the others download in the background or while the system sleeps. It'd suck, sure, but that's a given when you're dealing with data corruption.

DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can take it away at a n y t i m e

Go away, you're wrong and stupid. Unless they can magically rewrite a disc or show up to your house to steal it, there isn't anything they can do.

If they wanted they could force an update that prevents the game from working. Kind of how konami and Sony forced PT to stop working even if you had it installed already.
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Games are cheapest today than ever wtf you talking about?

I paid like $119.99 CAD / $100 usd for doom 64 back in the day. I think doom on SNES was $89 or $99..

Indie games are good value today. And AAA games go from $60 to $10-$20 in a year.

Mead posted...

Gaming is cheaper than it has ever been.

This

Minus controller prices. Lol

A simple solution is to not buy day one. With most games getting complete editions down the line anyway it's probably best to wait. Controllers on the other hand are really expensive.
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wwinterj25 posted...

A simple solution is to not buy day one. With most games getting complete editions down the line anyway it's probably best to wait.

In general, that's true, but not necessarily applicable to Nintendo games. They've put out a few "complete edition"-type releases lately (MK8, Hyrule Warriors, Pokken Tournament), but those have mostly been a matter of porting stuff from the WiiU to bolster the Switch's early library (since a lot of people wouldn't have played them on the WiiU, given its sales), and not something that happens within a given generation. The games also tend to stay at the same price for quite a while. Sales still happen, if you wait, but it's much less certain than with other studios.

I guess its different for everyone. Personally, I play multiple games at a time. And love to have all my games ready and playable at a moments notice. Which is easier with physical. Barely any space taken, if any at all. And dont have to redownload for an hour if something messes up. Quick to switch out, as well. And I have a neat carrying case. Zelda themed...

I would like to try to buy more complete editions. But I hate waiting. It also depends on if the game has online stuff. Better to get into that early. Usually more players. And everyone on learning around the same time... Haha.
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_AdjI_ posted...

but not necessarily applicable to Nintendo games.

Good point actually.
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Final Fantasy2389 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can take it away at a n y t i m e

Go away, you're wrong and stupid. Unless they can magically rewrite a disc or show up to your house to steal it, there isn't anything they can do.

If they wanted they could force an update that prevents the game from working. Kind of how konami and Sony forced PT to stop working even if you had it installed already.

They haven't altered the data though. You'd only need to play offline, uninstall the update, or otherwise start fresh and it would work as it did previously. If they rewrite your digital copy you're hosed.

LinkPizza posted...

I guess its different for everyone. Personally, I play multiple games at a time. And love to have all my games ready and playable at a moments notice. Which is easier with physical. Barely any space taken, if any at all. And dont have to redownload for an hour if something messes up. Quick to switch out, as well. And I have a neat carrying case. Zelda themed...

I would like to try to buy more complete editions. But I hate waiting. It also depends on if the game has online stuff. Better to get into that early. Usually more players. And everyone on learning around the same time... Haha.

Physical is king for sure. I seen on Craigslist someone selling a switch for $750. All games were digital. You can't sell those games lol. Someone could call Nintendo and say they were hacked and get their account back easy. You piss too much money away going digital.

DPsx7 posted...

They haven't altered the data though. You'd only need to play offline, uninstall the update, or otherwise start fresh and it would work as it did previously. If they rewrite your digital copy you're hosed.

Legally, if you continue to play your physical copy after they've revoked your right to do so, you're opening yourself up to fines, lawsuits, or other penalties. Even if you manage to practically circumvent that revocation, you're not getting around the fact that you no longer have any right to play that game. If you're disregarding the law like that in order to say that physical copies can't be taken from you, then you can no longer say that digital can be taken away from you at any time. In order to be logically consistent, you must then also be okay with pirating a copy of the game to replace the revoked digital copy. Do that, and digital becomes superior because you don't have to gimp your system by playing offline all the time in order to circumvent efforts to stop you from playing it.

LinkPizza posted...

Personally, I play multiple games at a time.

In the sense of "I am working my way through multiple games," sure. In the sense of "I am literally playing two games at once," not so much. If you're working on multiple games and they all get corrupted, you can download the one you want to play most immediately, then let the others download in the background while you play that one (and also overnight, because realistically, I doubt you'll be playing more than 2-3 games in a single day).

LinkPizza posted...

And love to have all my games ready and playable at a moments notice. Which is easier with physical. Barely any space taken, if any at all. And dont have to redownload for an hour if something messes up. Quick to switch out, as well. And I have a neat carrying case. Zelda themed...

Eh, you still have to carry them around, which increases the risk of something happening to one of them (in which case you're out the entire cost of the game, not just some redownloading time). Switching physical games is also always going to be slower than switching digital, given that you have to do more than just select a different box on the menu (possible exception: the switch's menu kind of sucks and just keeps expanding to the right indefinitely, so if you have hundreds of digital games you might be scrolling for a while). I've also got a carrying case, but that takes up too much room to fit in a pocket (as it stands, the Switch itself takes up all of a large jacket pocket), so it's not practical for taking out and about.

_AdjI_ posted...

In the sense of "I am working my way through multiple games," sure. In the sense of "I am literally playing two games at once," not so much. If you're working on multiple games and they all get corrupted, you can download the one you want to play most immediately, then let the others download in the background while you play that one (and also overnight, because realistically, I doubt you'll be playing more than 2-3 games in a single day).

I play multiple games a day on certain days. Usually not right after a game came out. But after a week of two, I nornally do. I like to play more than one game a lot. Its very common for me. Also, I dont Always play games for as long. After having to wait for an hour to play a game, I might not even feel like that game anymore. And if I do play it, it might not even be for that long. But my problem is waiting. And Im going to have to do it again when I get a new SD card. Some people dont mind waiting for an hour. Im not one of those people. Especially when theres an easy solution to fixing it.

_AdjI_ posted...

Eh, you still have to carry them around, which increases the risk of something happening to one of them (in which case you're out the entire cost of the game, not just some redownloading time). Switching physical games is also always going to be slower than switching digital, given that you have to do more than just select a different box on the menu (possible exception: the switch's menu kind of sucks and just keeps expanding to the right indefinitely, so if you have hundreds of digital games you might be scrolling for a while). I've also got a carrying case, but that takes up too much room to fit in a pocket (as it stands, the Switch itself takes up all of a large jacket pocket), so it's not practical for taking out and about.

Not as slow as you think. You open the tab, pop it out, pop it back in. Which is faster depends on when you last played the game. Only a certain number of games are on the menu at a time. If its not there, you have to click on the thing all the way to the right to take you to the full list of games yoube played on the system. With physical, the game pops up in the menu in the first slot after inserting it. For some people, it may not be fast because they have to go get the game system. Mine is pretty close to me, so it works... Also, maybe. But the switch is usually in the case, too. In that case, Id be without a switch, too. So, theres that...

In the end, it works for certain people. For example, I hate digital and wish it would go away. But for others, like you, it seems to work fine or well. So, eh...
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LinkPizza posted...

I play multiple games [snip]

You're sounding like a very impatient person with very little attention span. You're also making a huge deal out of a rather implausible hypothetical scenario. In the event that all of your digital games get corrupted at the same time and you have to redownload every single one of them and you also feel like playing a dozen different games for less than an hour each in that same day, yes, you're going to find yourself unable to play whatever you want at the exact moment you want, and you're going to end up being slightly inconvenienced by the catastrophic failure of your hardware. In literally every other scenario, though, it's going to be alright. I don't think being slightly inconvenienced in that extremely specific case is really the end of the world.

LinkPizza posted...

Not as slow as you think. You open the tab, pop it out, pop it back in. Which is faster depends on when you last played the game.

Presuming docked play:

Digital - Return to home menu, close current game, scroll over to new game, open new game

Physical - Return to home menu, close current game, get up, reach system, open system, remove current game, place current game in case, remove new game from case, put new game in system, close system, return system to dock, return to seat, open new game

Now, the lengths of some of those steps are variable. If you can reach the system without standing up, that speeds that up. If all of your games are in a single case instead of being in their individual ones, that speeds up those steps. If you have several dozen digital games and the one you want to play hasn't been played in a long time, scrolling over to it can take a while (which I already mentioned, and I'm hoping they update the UI to make that easier as the system's library grows) (this is also true of finding a specific game in a large physical library). The fact remains, though, that physically changing a game takes far, far more steps than changing a digital one, and is generally going to take significantly longer unless you specifically set up the comparison to favour physical (have the system and physical games readily accessible, and compare it to a digital system with a very large library).

Of course, does that matter? Not really. You're never looking at more than 30 seconds or so, tops, and for something as infrequent as switching games, that's pretty negligible. But suggesting that physical makes switching games faster is just plain false (unless, again, you rig the comparison).

LinkPizza posted...

Also, maybe. But the switch is usually in the case, too. In that case, Id be without a switch, too. So, theres that...

I just said that I can fit the Switch itself in a pocket better than I can the case. The case is basically just for traveling, for me. Having digital games means I can bring more than one game along at a time when I toss the Switch in my pocket, which is handy.

LinkPizza posted...

In the end, it works for certain people. For example, I hate digital and wish it would go away. But for others, like you, it seems to work fine or well. So, eh...

If you acknowledge that it works well for some people, you really shouldn't want it to go away. That's pretty terrible of you.
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I am pretty impatient. But I get busy often. And dont really have time to do much sometimes. I work nearly everyday. I only get Sundays off. And thats only if I dont work on base. So, yeah. I like to be able to play games pretty quickly.

Steps dont equate to time, as you can tell. Sure, more steps, but still could be quicker. It all depends on your setup. For me, my system docked is right next to me. I like to go from docked to portable quickly, as well... And my games always go in a spefcific spot on the case. Which carries all my games. Its fast enough for me. And can definitely be faster as right now, you cant really set up how you home screen looks. I think. I havent found a way to move them around. Havent looked either, though, so...

I can toss my switch in my pocket, too. But dont unless certain circumstances. Depending on pocket size, it usually fits well. But can mess up the joycon sticks. So, I usually just bring the case. With extra joycons....

I said for me(basically meaning like personal, or my personal opinion), I wish it would go away. But am ok with it since it works well for others. Thats the message I was trying to convey. I dont care about it as much because it works well for others. Thats pretty terrible of you for trying to make me feel bad...
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I spent $600 on a GPU. I may buy 3-5 games a year, never for $60. I think I have bought only a couple $60 games ever.
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Lol to the guy defending digital over physical ^

Also I've purchased 3 physical games in the past decade lol.
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DPsx7 posted...

Why are you paying full price, especially at this time of year? Constant deals out there if you have time to shop around. Smash may be too new for a discount though.

nintendo goes on sale the least out of the three by far. their games stay full price over a year later...
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_AdjI_ posted...

zebatov posted...

What's FE Warriors? Part of the Warriors games? What's the FE part?

Warriors game with FE characters and themes.

I don't know what FE is. What is it?

LinkPizza posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

helIy posted...

zebatov posted...

With a disc they can't do that.

hahaha yes they absolutely can

No they can't. What's on the disc is on the disc.

hahaha you think that matters

read the manual

they can't take it away at a n y t i m e

Are you agreeing with him?

No he isn't. But he's still wrong. You understand how it works. Can they update a ROM? No? Why? Pretty simple!
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