Board 8 > red13n ranks all 74 Smash Ultimate Characters

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NowItsAngeTime
12/03/18 11:59:07 PM
#51:


Clone the forever buzz word in the Smash community
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Panthera
12/04/18 12:00:12 AM
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Their side-Bs both move them forward in a horizontal line. It's obviously not a real cloned move, but it has some similarities. I'm comfortable saying Ike's not a clone, but he's got at least 1.5 cloned moves.


What? Marth takes a slight step forward as he does a series of slashes based on the direction you hold. Ike charges up then launches forward in a single quick attack. Those two moves have nothing in common.
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Waluigi1
12/04/18 12:02:32 AM
#53:


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Panthera posted...

I mean I can at least see the argument for neutral B but side B? Not at all.

If this is the standard being used, Marth was a Link clone (so many moves involve swords!), Captain Falcon is a Mario clone (look at that up air!), Mewtwo a Samus clone (if it's good for Lucario...hell they have similar down airs too)...actually I like that, I'm going to start calling Lucario a Samus clone from now on and see if anyone knows what the hell I'm doing

Their side-Bs both move them forward in a horizontal line. It's obviously not a real cloned move, but it has some similarities. I'm comfortable saying Ike's not a clone, but he's got at least 1.5 cloned moves.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Like, have you ever even used Marth's side-b...?
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red13n
12/04/18 1:12:12 AM
#54:


#69: Lucas

Lucas reps the "never released in the US" portion of this game, and while many people are probably sad about this, I'm not. I don't like Earthbound, I don't care for the style of the game, and the rest of the series can just stay in Japan for all I care. I find him boring to play, annoying to play against, and we already had Ness we didn't need not-Ness.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 1:13:04 AM
#55:


I already know what red will have as #1
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NFUN
12/04/18 1:16:06 AM
#56:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
I already know what red will have as #1

Red?
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Zigzagoon
12/04/18 1:27:50 AM
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Waluigi1
12/04/18 1:37:27 AM
#58:


NFUN posted...
NowItsAngeTime posted...
I already know what red will have as #1

Red?

The TC...?
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hombad46
12/04/18 1:47:29 AM
#59:


Waluigi1 posted...
NFUN posted...
NowItsAngeTime posted...
I already know what red will have as #1

Red?

The TC...?

I think NFUN means Pokmon Trainer
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Panthera
12/04/18 1:53:06 AM
#60:


The top three will obviously be Lucina, Ness and Piranha Plant
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red13n
12/04/18 4:40:52 AM
#61:


#68: Olimar

I've never really been a big fan of the Pikmin games, and even if I was, I think it would be in spite of Olimar because hes really rather bland. But the problem here is, I just don't like the type of character Olimar is here. Hes one of those characters that either playing as or against, you are playing a different game than normal. You are constantly looking at his pikmin to see what hes throwing out and its really more of a chore than it ever is fun. The constant whistling call noises he has to make can get real irritating real fast.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 12:02:21 PM
#62:


Ive always liked weirdo characters that cause both players to play a different game than everyone else in a fighting game

Brings cool diversity
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red13n
12/04/18 4:33:29 PM
#63:


#67: Meta Knight

There is only one character that has been absolutely destroyed in my mind for being in Smash, and its Meta Knight. I was definitely in the crowd of "Hey Meta Knight is an obvious character that should be in Smash put him in". We wanted him, smash needed him...and then he got in. And then he...broke the game. He wasn't fun to play against in random casual games, he wasn't fun to watch competitively. His moves were all good, they all had insane range, he was impossible to kill and could recover from everywhere all while punishing you at the same time. He was rage-inducing like no Smash character has ever been before. Now I can't even look at Meta Knight without thinking how much of a game breaking jerk he was for a time. It doesn't even matter that hes not even great in Smash anymore.
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red13n
12/04/18 4:34:13 PM
#64:


oh, and I totally started that post as ##Meta Knight before catching my mistake. Thats the kind of thoughts he throws into my mind.
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Naye745
12/04/18 4:46:02 PM
#65:


this list is terrible again
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red13n
12/04/18 4:52:57 PM
#66:


#66: Lucina

Have I mentioned there are 4 of these things? Thats a bit much. Lucina is female Marth. There isn't a whole lot else to her as far as Smash is concerned(Yes, there are differences, no, I don't care). She is unlikely to be the last echo or clone hurt in this way here.
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pjbasis
12/04/18 4:54:15 PM
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red13n
12/04/18 5:00:44 PM
#68:


#65: Palutena

You want boring? Palutena brings the boring. She carries probably the most uninteresting moveset in all of smash for a character that isnt a clone/echo. Other characters do everything she does in better and more interesting ways. She comes from a third-tier Nintendo series and got treated in Smash the same way those games are treated. Dark Pit existing honestly serves to help her by making her not the most pathetic thing in Smash from the Kid Icarus series.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 5:22:19 PM
#69:


Meta Knight is potentially really good in Ultimate again or so I hear
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12/04/18 5:28:52 PM
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OliviaTremor
12/04/18 5:32:54 PM
#71:


red13n posted...
#73: Wario

In all the time Wario has been in Smash, I think I've played him like twice. Both were when I was picking random. I would never willingly choose Wario, I don't like Wario. In fact, I hate Wario, everything about Wario is awful. He is fat, ugly, mismatched color Mario with an identity of basically being repulsive. There isn't anything here for me to like and I am probably part of that market that keeps Nintendo from putting Waluigi into the game. He moves janky as all hell in game, his bike is annoying, its annoying watching him glow because hes literally going to attempt to fart his way to victory. To put it simply, he is a character with no appeal to me and narrowly dodged a last place ranking simply because I dislike the character and not the mere idea of his existence as a whole.


Wario is the best. I've had an insane amount of fun doing 2v2 online matches where me and my brother are both Wario and we just keep using his fucking motorcycle, vary the speed a bit and direction a bit, and just keep ramming into people. Every time the motorcycle breaks just pull it out again, no other moves other than recovery when necessary. It's so insanely stupid and fun I can't help but love it, especially because you inevitably win a lot.
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red13n
12/04/18 5:45:34 PM
#72:


#64: Dark Samus

Who was asking for Dark Samus? Is that no one, I'm hearing no one. Yep, the answer was no one. We are a long way from the last Metroid Prime game, and it seems to still be a long way to the next Metroid Prime game. This isnt as lazy and Dark Samus looks way different compared to Dark Pit and Pit, but it is still a character that is really hard to give any care about. Especially when the Metroid series is adding a villain to the game in Ridley at the same time. I really liked the Metroid Prime series too, it doesn't matter any here.
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ScareChan
12/04/18 5:50:36 PM
#73:


I love this topic because its like salty Chris posting under red's account
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red13n
12/04/18 5:55:27 PM
#74:


#63: Young Link

Remember when I mentioned characters being hurt because there were 3 of them? This is where my mind was going. I don't care about the Fire Emblem characters all that much, so they werent even really on my mind. But Link? Link is one of my favorite characters. And Link? Theres fucking 3 of him. We don't need 3 Links(Unless you want to give me Wolf Link, I'll take that Link). Young Link in his original form wasn't even different enough from regular Link to matter. At least Toon Link went on to replace him and justify his existence by being a pretty damn different character. But Young Link? Hes just Link, but hes young. They could have given him some Majora's Mask shenanigans or something but nope, hes a clone. I want Dark Link in the game still though, because why not at this point. And yes, I know they changed regular Link, don't think you are being smart and reminding me of this.
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Anagram
12/04/18 5:56:55 PM
#75:


red13n posted...
#64: Dark Samus

Who was asking for Dark Samus? Is that no one, I'm hearing no one. Yep, the answer was no one. We are a long way from the last Metroid Prime game, and it seems to still be a long way to the next Metroid Prime game. This isnt as lazy and Dark Samus looks way different compared to Dark Pit and Pit, but it is still a character that is really hard to give any care about. Especially when the Metroid series is adding a villain to the game in Ridley at the same time. I really liked the Metroid Prime series too, it doesn't matter any here.

When they announced echoes, Dark Samus, Ken, and Shadow were what everyone expected. Shadow is still the strangest snub to me, and I don't even like him.
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red13n
12/04/18 6:00:46 PM
#76:


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When they announced echoes, Dark Samus, Ken, and Shadow were what everyone expected. Shadow is still the strangest snub to me, and I don't even like him.


While I understand the "Shadow is easy" side of this, I think hes actually a little lazy and a Sonic echo would be better served to a Tails/Knuckles type.
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NFUN
12/04/18 6:06:01 PM
#77:


dark samus is awesome
and wario is good
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SuorGenoveffa
12/04/18 6:12:15 PM
#78:


I mean, maybe it's because I think he would have incredible moveset potential drawing from The Wind Waker and other games he features in, but Toon Link being a Link clone/floaty Link annoys me more than Young Link despite having more differences.
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MetalmindStats
12/04/18 6:37:31 PM
#79:


I agree with those low rankings for Lucas, Olimar, Palutena, and the Mii Fighters (sure, they might serve a decent purpose roster-wise, but none of them feel remotely good to play). I feel like you're giving Pac-Man too little credit, though. Hopefully Zelda and Wii Fit Trainer are up soon.
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HanOfTheNekos
12/04/18 6:59:01 PM
#80:


MetalmindStats posted...
I agree with those low rankings for Lucas, Olimar, Palutena, and the Mii Fighters (sure, they might serve a decent purpose roster-wise, but none of them feel remotely good to play). I feel like you're giving Pac-Man too little credit, though. Hopefully Zelda and Wii Fit Trainer are up soon.


Excuse me what
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Cybat
12/04/18 7:25:59 PM
#81:


I definitely recommend watching videos like this to gain an appreciation for Pac-Man. I don't know how their brains work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGeEvY4KeHA" data-time="

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Waluigi1
12/04/18 8:15:26 PM
#82:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
MetalmindStats posted...
I agree with those low rankings for Lucas, Olimar, Palutena, and the Mii Fighters (sure, they might serve a decent purpose roster-wise, but none of them feel remotely good to play). I feel like you're giving Pac-Man too little credit, though. Hopefully Zelda and Wii Fit Trainer are up soon.


Excuse me what

What the...
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MetalmindStats
12/04/18 8:18:14 PM
#83:


Waluigi1 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
MetalmindStats posted...
I agree with those low rankings for Lucas, Olimar, Palutena, and the Mii Fighters (sure, they might serve a decent purpose roster-wise, but none of them feel remotely good to play). I feel like you're giving Pac-Man too little credit, though. Hopefully Zelda and Wii Fit Trainer are up soon.


Excuse me what

What the...

Zelda never has been and probably never will be remotely fun to play as in the Smash series, in my opinion. For a Smash-specific ranking, how fun a character is to play as matters more to me than how much I like the character.
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Waluigi1
12/04/18 8:22:37 PM
#84:


Zelda is plenty fun with a cool moveset. So...??
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MetalmindStats
12/04/18 8:23:53 PM
#85:


Waluigi1 posted...
Zelda is plenty fun with a cool moveset. So...??

Opinions. Her moveset is nice and fitting, sure, but it doesn't make her suddenly fun to play.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 8:31:55 PM
#86:


If he's not havin fun with a character no point in trying to convince him that he's objectively supposed to have fun, it's his opinion lol
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Waluigi1
12/04/18 8:37:40 PM
#87:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
If he's not havin fun with a character no point in trying to convince him that he's objectively supposed to have fun, it's his opinion lol

But he gets to say she's objectively unfun?
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Shonen_Bat
12/04/18 8:43:21 PM
#88:


Skilled Pacman looks super annoying to play against so I get where that's coming from. Fun to watch though.
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MetalmindStats
12/04/18 8:43:23 PM
#89:


Waluigi1 posted...
NowItsAngeTime posted...
If he's not havin fun with a character no point in trying to convince him that he's objectively supposed to have fun, it's his opinion lol

But he gets to say she's objectively unfun?

I didn't think I would have to phrase with 'in my opinion' in a fundamentally opinion-based topic, but here we are. I'm just posting based on my own opinion, not my assessment of objective truth.
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ScareChan
12/04/18 8:52:39 PM
#90:


Sheik >>> zelda
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 8:53:01 PM
#91:


I don't know if people know this

But many times when people say their opinions in a 'factual' way, they know that they're stating opinion but it's easier to just write it factually since your write at least 3 words less than you usually do. And yes especially in an opinion-based topic

Of course if you legit think one of your opinions is a legit fact then I dont know what to say but I dont believe MetalMind, Waluigi, red or I think anything we say is some elitist fact everyone should agree with. Just strong passionate opinions all around
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HanOfTheNekos
12/04/18 9:02:57 PM
#92:


Ange dropping mad lies
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red13n
12/04/18 9:20:21 PM
#93:


#62: R.O.B.

ROB is...a robot accessory thing. Thats, interesting I guess. But I feel like hes gotten less and less interesting as Smash has gone on, and particularly with his special moves, they are pretty boring. I mean, he fires a laser, I guess. But beyond that, the novelty of ROB wears thinner as time goes by. There are better characters to play if you want to throw things at people.
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NowItsAngeTime
12/04/18 9:23:03 PM
#94:


red13n posted...
#62: R.O.B.

ROB is...a robot accessory thing. Thats, interesting I guess. But I feel like hes gotten less and less interesting as Smash has gone on, and particularly with his special moves, they are pretty boring. I mean, he fires a laser, I guess. But beyond that, the novelty of ROB wears thinner as time goes by. There are better characters to play if you want to throw things at people.


There's also other characters that are upstaging him as the token 'weirdo' character
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red13n
12/04/18 9:26:07 PM
#95:


#61: Daisy

Daisy is where the roster starts going full Mario Kart. I mean, shes become kind of her own character from Peach as time has gone by, and shes been a Peach skin so to speak, but honestly they just arent unique enough for me to care about them being slightly different characters. I am fine with her being an echo, I guess, but at the end of the day I wouldn't care much if she wasn't in the game.
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red13n
12/04/18 9:38:03 PM
#96:


#60: Shulk

Nothing against Shulk, I think hes a perfectly fitting character to be in the game. But honestly, with the whole stat switching mechanic thing, hes honestly a character you either main or you don't play. For casual play, its just an overwhelming number of information to keep track of and shuffling you don't really want to bother with it. I don't think theres anything hugely wrong with him, I just don't want to bother with him. Also I tried playing Xenoblade and it just didn't hook me.
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Grand Kirby
12/04/18 9:53:47 PM
#97:


I'd rather have Daisy than Peach.
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12/04/18 9:54:30 PM
#98:


I enjoy how Daisy and a Piranha Plant got in over Waluigi. The guy cannot catch a break.
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red13n
12/04/18 9:57:27 PM
#99:


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I enjoy how Daisy and a Piranha Plant got in over Waluigi. The guy cannot catch a break.


Waluigi is the only one to never be in a non-spinoff game.
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12/04/18 9:57:49 PM
#100:


red13n posted...
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I enjoy how Daisy and a Piranha Plant got in over Waluigi. The guy cannot catch a break.


Waluigi is the only one to never be in a non-spinoff game.

Oh, I know. My current hope is that Pauline somehow gets in before Waluigi.
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