Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1315

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Also you had the original Front Mission in 95.
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snake_5036 posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

BotW was the worst main Zelda game

You need to realize your opinion on BotW is in the extreme minority considering it's the best selling Zelda game, would be the highest rated if not for OoT having far less reviews to weigh it down, finally getting rid of the ALttP formula that held the series down for decades, as well as finally making Zelda an interesting character, explaining Link's muteness in an interesting way, etc.

What is the ALttP formula, and how did BOTW change it?

How is his muteness explained?

The LttP formula is

1. Go to a new dungeon
2. Get a new item in the dungeon
3. Use that new item to do some stuff and beat a boss

then move on to the next dungeon. It's very linear.

Breath of the Wild gives you all the main tools up front and just sets you off to do whatever in any order you want to do it in.
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A Link Between Worlds got rid the "ALttP Formula" before BOTW, ironically (as it is the sequel to ALTTP)
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It's kind of ironic to describe the LttP formula as linear, considering that LttP has two different orders you can do the dungeons with no backtracking. It's certainly true for everything from OoT on, but that's mostly because of story concerns, rather than gameplay ones.

For the record, as a big BotW fan, the last of Oot/Lttp-style dungeons is the game's major weakpoint. The Divine Beasts sort of, uh, really suck.
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So it looks like Link/Ganon
2 and Samus/Mario 2 basically confirm my hypothesis that SFF is very sensitive and unpredictable.

Question: what is Bored of the Walking? Ive seen that a few times but I dont know what it means.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.

Id say its waifu boost, not female boost.

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

Whereas waifus from random visual novels and crap seem to do pretty decent. And a waifu like 2B can become legit very fast.

I think female characters can now achieve Midgard strength faster than male ones. Geralt was respectable, but his game was huge. Imagine if 2Bs game was as big as Witcher 3.

I think those sexist nerds you speak of are the same people voting now, they just find Japanese female video game characters sexually appealing/crushable.

Kinda curious to see what the registered/anonymous split will be for Samus/Mario. It'd explain a lot if Samus was crushing the registered votes.

Though at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was Samus rocking the anon vote. Who knows anymore?
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creativename posted...

Question: what is Bored of the Walking? Ive seen that a few times but I dont know what it means.

That's a certain resident troll's term for Breath of the Wild.

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Also I dont think Samus has benefitted from waifu factor.

She seems the same as always - as Ive said before, she along with Link is our most consistent character.

Shes doing better with SFF against Mario but I think SFF is very wonky by its very nature. And why would waifu factor not affect her strength, but boost her versus Mario?

Though its possible that she does benefit from waifu factor, and would have declined without it. But I dont think thats true. Samus has always been pretty stable.

For what reason shes so much more stable than all the other non-Link Noble Niners, I really dont know.

MetalmindStats posted...

creativename posted...

Question: what is Bored of the Walking? Ive seen that a few times but I dont know what it means.

That's a certain resident troll's term for Breath of the Wild.

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Oh.

Facepalm.

I went full you-know-what LOL! (Term is censored apparently)

Yeah, I guess its more of a cartoony design thing Im talking about.

I guess its like porn - you cant properly define a waifu, but you know one when you see one.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

The LttP formula is

1. Go to a new dungeon
2. Get a new item in the dungeon
3. Use that new item to do some stuff and beat a boss

then move on to the next dungeon. It's very linear.

Breath of the Wild gives you all the main tools up front and just sets you off to do whatever in any order you want to do it in.

But that was the LoZ NES formula. I wouldnt say its an ALttP thing.

creativename posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

creativename posted...

Question: what is Bored of the Walking? Ive seen that a few times but I dont know what it means.

That's a certain resident troll's term for Breath of the Wild.

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Oh.

Facepalm.

I went full you-know-what LOL! (Term is censored apparently)

Yeah, I guess its more of a cartoony design thing Im talking about.

I guess its like porn - you cant properly define a waifu, but you know one when you see one.

Shantae vs. Quiet

Who do you have winning this hypothetical first round match?
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.

Yeah that's probably a factor, I think people get more receptive to female characters as they mature, just like we get more interested in sophisticated stuff like character development. It's less about wanting to see badass things and more about wanting to see different types of storytelling, and female characters deliver on that when you are someone who is used to male protagonists all the time.

That and popculture as a whole just got more used to female characters in lead roles, and we are reflecting that trend in our preferences.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.

Yeah that's probably a factor, I think people get more receptive to female characters as they mature, just like we get more interested in sophisticated stuff like character development. It's less about wanting to see badass things and more about wanting to see different types of storytelling, and female characters deliver on that when you are someone who is used to male protagonists all the time.

Are you two for real?
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Not_Wylvane posted...

Kinda curious to see what the registered/anonymous split will be for Samus/Mario. It'd explain a lot if Samus was crushing the registered votes.

Probably something similar to Tifa/Sephiroth which was nearly identical with both registered/anonymous users.
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Nanis23 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.

Yeah that's probably a factor, I think people get more receptive to female characters as they mature, just like we get more interested in sophisticated stuff like character development. It's less about wanting to see badass things and more about wanting to see different types of storytelling, and female characters deliver on that when you are someone who is used to male protagonists all the time.

Are you two for real?

Uh... yes?

For example, I'm playing Tales of Berseria right now and the least interesting character in the party is the badass samurai (Rokurou) who loves swords. Because I've seen that character a dozen times before (though he is lovable so I like him).

The most interesting character is the kid (Laphicet), because he's a rare example of a well written kid in a game, and the rest of the characters are mostly women, and are all great. I's just fun to see them interacting.

I just wanna see different things at this point. I'd love a Zelda game starring Zelda, for example.

creativename posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

The LttP formula is

1. Go to a new dungeon
2. Get a new item in the dungeon
3. Use that new item to do some stuff and beat a boss

then move on to the next dungeon. It's very linear.

Breath of the Wild gives you all the main tools up front and just sets you off to do whatever in any order you want to do it in.

But that was the LoZ NES formula. I wouldnt say its an ALttP thing.

NES Zelda barely used the items to beat bosses, you killed everything with the sword and most items were optional. Dungeons were more like arenas to fight than big puzzles like how they became later.

Later Zeldas are more gimmicky, they are about using items to solve different types of puzzles.

Also the overworld is linear in modern Zeldas. Look at a game like TP where they release the map areas little by little and tell you where to go. Now compared to the NES Zelda that gives you the whole map and tells you nothing. That was a open world game before the Skyrims and Withers of our time. BotW is a return to that form.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Nanis23 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.

Yeah that's probably a factor, I think people get more receptive to female characters as they mature, just like we get more interested in sophisticated stuff like character development. It's less about wanting to see badass things and more about wanting to see different types of storytelling, and female characters deliver on that when you are someone who is used to male protagonists all the time.

Are you two for real?

Uh... yes?

For example, I'm playing Tales of Berseria right now and the least interesting character in the party is the badass samurai (Rokurou) who loves swords. Because I've seen that character a dozen times before (though he is lovable so I like him).

The most interesting character is the kid (Laphicet), because he's a rare example of a well written kid in a game, and the rest of the characters are mostly women, and are all great. I's just fun to see them interacting.

I just wanna see different things at this point. I'd love a Zelda game starring Zelda, for example.

I mean, about "sexist nerds" part and you agreeing with him
Tifa, Samus and Zelda were always strong. The difference is that now they are even stronger. Zelda is probably thanks to BOTW and Tifa...well, go ahead and compare her 41% against Samus this contest to the 49% against Samus in 2006
"Sexist nerds" is a lame elitist comment
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I think teenagers are more likely to reject women characters than adults, maybe. Teenagers are dumber and worried about what their peers will think of their masculinity. While adults are bored and want to try new things.

Also we did have a cultural change, it feels like popculture is more open to female leads now than it was like 10 years ago.

Is Samus still doing better against Mario than she did against Cloud in her last 1v1 loss?
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Yes.
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Tifa has always been a strong character. Why is it that people are discovering that just now?

Any math on Samus making a comeback here?
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creativename posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Oh.

Facepalm.

I went full you-know-what LOL! (Term is censored apparently)

Yeah, I guess its more of a cartoony design thing Im talking about.

I guess its like porn - you cant properly define a waifu, but you know one when you see one.

I agree almost entirely with everything you've said. Aloy's a great example of this, since she's from a game that beat 2B's game in our best PS4 game of 2017 poll and Aloy sucked because her Western design isn't that appealing for the site compared to 2B's.
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Ilishe posted...

Any math on Samus making a comeback here?

She needs to cut about 7 votes/update to win.

But that will only happen if she got a trend in the first place, I don't see why she would now barring a rally.

squexa posted...

creativename posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Oh.

Facepalm.

I went full you-know-what LOL! (Term is censored apparently)

Yeah, I guess its more of a cartoony design thing Im talking about.

I guess its like porn - you cant properly define a waifu, but you know one when you see one.

I agree almost entirely with everything you've said. Aloy's a great example of this, since she's from a game that beat 2B's game in our best PS4 game of 2017 poll and Aloy sucked because her Western design isn't that appealing for the site compared to 2B's.

I think this is only part of the story. People are putting too much stock in that single poll while ignoring that 2B's game has aged far better since then.
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I know this was expected, but still hard to see Sonic lose to Zelda like this.
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redrocket posted...

I think this is only part of the story. People are putting too much stock in that single poll while ignoring that 2B's game has aged far better since then.

"Aged better"? Both games came out last year... you are talking as if it's been a decade. At the very least, everyone I know in real life who were gushing about HZD are still gushing about HZD, so I'm not seeing the game suddenly falling in a year to the point where Aloy being completely garbage in this contest makes total sense.
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Actually this is a good discussion
Why Nier Automata is well liked in GameFAQs and 2B was very strong, but Aloy sucked?
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Plain design, Western game.
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Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

1st match=I thought Sonic would score around 45%. I was wrong. How Zelda became so strong???
2nd match=This close? I thought Mario would win with around 55%. Guess SFF isn't a thing anymore?
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Probably not so much anymore when it comes to Samus, since around 2010 shes held her own against most Nintendo things shes faced. Think its just Super Metroid holding up really well

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3846-varia-division-final-samus-aran-vs-zelda

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5264-character-battle-ix-final-nine-samus-vs-red-vs-mega-man

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6137-best-game-ever-day-22-round-2-super-metroid-vs-super-mario

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6158-best-game-ever-day-30-round-3-super-metroid-vs-zelda-majoras

(Theres the Rivalry Rumble but I dont think Samus/Ridley was that strong)
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To be fair, Solid Snake/Auron predicted that this match would have been a 58/42 victory for Zelda
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Do we think Zelda's sprite hurt her? Or perhaps Auron's sprite hurt him even more than Snake's? It's either the sprites or there's some weird Zelda/Sonic rSFF or Snake/Auron PS SFF.
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I'd just call it noise. There's a bunch of minor stuff that effect matches from poll placement to pictures to slight SFF...
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Good point. I'm curious to see how Sonic vs Snake will go.
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According to this result as how much is Zelda beating Sonic, with maybe 0.5% less.
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Could even be something as silly as the other match that is on during the day since you have to vote for all matches.

I think people are overrating this female factor a bit. Samus and Tifa have had impressive performances in SFF matches, sure, but overall they don't look any stronger than in years past. "Edgy" characters have dropped off, so it's creating an optical illusion of rising strength amongst the FF women, for example.

Zelda has gotten a legit boost, but she was worth 45% on Snake back in 2005, and I think that having a more prominent role in a super acclaimed Zelda game should be enough to overcome that*, without needing anything else factored in.

*Assuming that Snake is back at those levels.
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_Dog_ posted...

creativename posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

creativename posted...

Question: what is Bored of the Walking? Ive seen that a few times but I dont know what it means.

That's a certain resident troll's term for Breath of the Wild.

creativename posted...

Maybe Im mistaken but it seems to be limited to Japanese females. I dont think western females like Jill Valentine and Quiet and The Boss benefit from it.

...Except all of those examples are Japanese? But I guess you mean in terms of character design or something?

Oh.

Facepalm.

I went full you-know-what LOL! (Term is censored apparently)

Yeah, I guess its more of a cartoony design thing Im talking about.

I guess its like porn - you cant properly define a waifu, but you know one when you see one.

Shantae vs. Quiet

Who do you have winning this hypothetical first round match?

I have no idea. Why do you ask?

I would think Quiet is the more notable character from a bigger franchise, but doesnt have that cartoony cute sexuality appeal that I think this site likes.

Of course Quiet wins
Not underestimating Shantae at all, but come on
55-45% should be easily possible
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Yeah. Quite has bigger tits than Shantae too.
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Quiet wins if she gets a good pic. If she has poorly cropped pixel crud hair again Shantae wins with like 60%
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I dobut Quiet's worth anything even with a torso pic. Her design is so drab, especially in comparison to Shantae who just oozes character design.
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All things considered, Shantae didnt do half bad. She finished ahead of Noctis in the X-stats and because her games are most popular on Nintendo systems she probably had some SFF in her match.
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justice for estelle
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justice for phoenix
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