Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1313

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redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Galaxy 1 didn't come out until the 2007 contest wrapped up, then everyone soured on the Wii as a whole by 2008. Galaxy 2 came out Summer 2010 where we were 3 years away from another character contest.
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KamikazePotato posted...

How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Maybe he didn't and Odyssey gave Mario that much of a boost?
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KamikazePotato posted...

How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Vivi > Seph clearly
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Also remember Mario will come back down to Earth, it probably ends not too far where many of us thought.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Zelda: "Hey guys, I made a statement for myself by getting over 60% on a really strong Square character!"
Mario: "Hold my beer."

Well played
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As Ive said before, I dont think its a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises dont keep getting new great games like Nintendo and dont have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.

So fun fact:

Mario (2013c) has a strength of 47.13 against Base Link.
Sephiroth (2013c) has a strength of 38.89 against Base Link.
Mario wins with 58.74% of the vote!
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

2005 was pre-Galaxy.

Mario never looked quite that dominant again until now, despite the Galaxy games being a huge success.
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KamikazePotato posted...

creativename posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Heavy LFF presumably.

If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.

How many rally votes was Vivi estimated to get (net)?

creativename posted...

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As Ive said before, I dont think its a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises dont keep getting new great games like Nintendo and dont have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.

If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?
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KamikazePotato posted...

So fun fact:

Mario (2013c) has a strength of 47.13 against Base Link.
Sephiroth (2013c) has a strength of 38.89 against Base Link.
Mario wins with 58.74% of the vote!

I dont consider that fact fun

Obviously though Zelda herself as a character has boosted.

creativename posted...

How many rally votes was Vivi estimated to get (net)?

Quite a few, but still. It's not like 100% of Ganondorf's votes go to Mario regardless.
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I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.
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KamikazePotato posted...

If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.

The Mario/Vivi match had 40k votes when the other matches were getting 30k.

KamikazePotato posted...

creativename posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Heavy LFF presumably.

If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.

Well, Seph has yet to be rallied.
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lordjers posted...

I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.

Unfortunately, 2013 Link is still projected to do better than this.
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lordjers posted...

I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.

What if Zelda wins it all?

Early vote or not, this is fucking insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

creativename posted...

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As Ive said before, I dont think its a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises dont keep getting new great games like Nintendo and dont have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.

If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?

I mean technically yes. But I think his point is that everything tends to drop unless they keep getting great games, and only Nintendo does that.

Unless your name is Crono that is.

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?
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You know, people might say Tifa can't be hentai rallied against Samus because she will be Hentai SFF'd by her
Let me just remind you, people said the same thing about Undertale and Pokemon RB

Go, Futanari!
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So do we still think Samus is as strong or stronger than Mario indirectly? If so, doesn't that mean Tifa might be as strong as Sephiroth?
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squexa posted...

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?

I'm starting to doubt those numbers.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

squexa posted...

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?

I'm starting to doubt those numbers.

Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.
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TheCodeisBosco posted...

Early vote or not, this is fucking insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.

I still haven't forgiven Nintendo for not making him playable in Odyssey. Mario slaying Sephiroth over here while Luigi dies with a whimper against Tifa. No respect for Mr. Green
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FinaIFantasy posted...

lordjers posted...

I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.

What if Zelda wins it all?

Doubt it. But, at least it'd be better than Pikachu.
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Damn, Mario showing no mercy

I guess the only people who vote in the polls anymore are hardcore Nintendo fans. Everyone else stopped voting.
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Searched on YouTube for Snake Zelda (mostly that Brawl codec), and found out something that went as bad for Snake as our poll.

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

creativename posted...

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As Ive said before, I dont think its a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises dont keep getting new great games like Nintendo and dont have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.

If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?

Well its a question of predicting the future.

Firstly these waifus seem to do pretty well. That kind of goes against the Nintendo boosting narrative.

Secondly its a question of franchise revival.

Lets say by some miracle the FF7 remake is absolutely beloved and a massive hit (never going to happen). This would lead to those guys gaining in strength, without Nintendo dropping. Youd expect Seph to beat Snake again.

Whereas if there was a new MGS game with Snake and it was a massive beloved hit, youd expect him to beat Zelda even if she doesnt drop.

So when comparing across years, it very much makes a difference if its a Nintendo boost or everything else drop, even though within a single contest its functionally the same.

squexa posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

squexa posted...

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?

I'm starting to doubt those numbers.

Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.

@SBAllen

redrocket posted...

Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

The wii and wii u sucked ass.
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FinaIFantasy posted...

lordjers posted...

I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.

What if Zelda wins it all?

Mario is getting 60+ on sephirtoth. He will murder Zelda.

I cant wait until we see a losers final between cloud and Mario

Mario will relive his sunshine moment and beat Cloud once again. It will be glorious.
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squexa posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

squexa posted...

Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?

I'm starting to doubt those numbers.

Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.

That's not how it worked. The shenanigans earlier was when they were showing numbers next to both names, the loser had all the brackets that picked wrong, regardless of whether their pick was in the match.

I wanted to discuss this also. Like, can you really picture someone watching what Zelda did to Squall and Aerith and the Boss, watching Big Boss and Ocelot disappoint relative to expectations (I'm not even counting Quiet in there; there's nothing to be gained from analyzing fodder vs. fodder matches), and saying "eh, maybe I gave Zelda too much credit; better switch to Snake.

The obvious answer is that Zelda's initial support was disproportionately concentrated among the minimum 1509 bracketmakers that didn't make a Second Chance Bracket, and that she didn't gain as many believers as we thought with that run because Snake is just that well respected now.

(Minimum based on the highly unlikely event that every Second Chance bracketmaker also made a main bracket.)
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Mario might finish below Samus by the end

TheCodeisBosco posted...

Early vote or not, this is fucking insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.

Maybe he did?

If hes worth 49 on Tifa. Thats impressive
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Good showing for Samus.

Hilarious showing for Mario.

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So of the 438 that picked Zelda in 2nd chance, 339 are still perfect? Impressive.

(I'm in the 99, as I had MM).
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Good job complaining about a picture and blaming me for Marios loss, guys.

I see Board 8 is as smart as ever.

If it werent for your pic Mario would be doubling Sephiroth right now!
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Anyone who took both Pikachu and Zelda has balls of fucking steel. Tenfold if they actually had that in their MAIN bracket.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

TheCodeisBosco posted...

Early vote or not, this is fucking insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.

Maybe he did?

If hes worth 49 on Tifa. Thats impressive

You may be right, I think I just got my hopes too high for MY BOY. I really thought he'd win his division and not be too threatened doing it.
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damn tifa is starting to look terrible here
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SlugSh0t posted...

damn tifa is starting to look terrible here

Or samus is looking incredible.

Shame she has Mario next.

I expect her to challenge cloud actually for that losers final pick.....in which shell still probably lose to mario again.
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This isn't much higher than what Samus is projected to do. People forgot how strong she is.
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It won't mean much in the long run, but I think Zelda has a great shot at outperforming Samus against Mario.
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Mario with 60% on Sephiroth might be the best thing in any contest ever. On the other hand, Mario is probably still going to get roasted by Link, haha.

heroicmario posted...

Mario with 60% on Sephiroth might be the best thing in any contest ever. On the other hand, Mario is probably still going to get roasted by Link, haha.

Link is also stronger. Probably the strongest hell ever be.

A lot of Nintendo characters are.
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