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Eddv
10/29/18 11:04:01 AM
#201:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Brazil is definitely going to become a dictatorship


It's been a dictatorship before.

It doesnt exactly have a super strong record of Democratic fidelity - they had a singlenruling party nearly the entire lifespan of their democracy and this fascist is more of a failing of that Center Right party than anything else. (Globally the failure of the Center-Right is The Story - the rise of fascism is almost incidental.)
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Kenri
10/29/18 11:18:30 AM
#202:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Im so supportive of Democracy, if the American people voted to put people like me in jail, I guess im going to jail. - Corrik

not if it's for drunk driving though
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Not_an_Owl
10/29/18 11:32:53 AM
#203:


Eddv posted...
(Globally the failure of the Center-Right is The Story - the rise of fascism is almost incidental.)

Speaking of:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/29/europe/angela-merkel-germany-election-intl/index.html?
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Corrik
10/29/18 12:07:57 PM
#204:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Corrik posted...
To make my stance clear. You can't say you support a democracy/democratic government (republic) and then when someone wins you are not okay with say you should resort to violence against said government.

That makes it clear you were not actually in support of a democracy anyways.


Im so supportive of Democracy, if the American people voted to put people like me in jail, I guess im going to jail. - Corrik

Welcome to a democracy. But, El oh El at people being babies if elections do not go there way. It is like people do not know how they work here.

Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT voted in a President who is anti-LGBT to represent them. That is like news at 11 there.

And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.

"Trump dogwhistles and incited violence with his rhetoric. But, when someone outright makes a call for violence I handwave it away because it is from a D. But, I hear the imaginary dogwhistles from the Rs."

Can't make up the bias and contradictions. They are insane.
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Corrik
10/29/18 12:09:12 PM
#205:


Kenri posted...
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Im so supportive of Democracy, if the American people voted to put people like me in jail, I guess im going to jail. - Corrik

not if it's for drunk driving though

Literally makes zero sense.
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LordoftheMorons
10/29/18 12:12:40 PM
#206:


Democracy requires the peaceful transfer of power. If he actually starts locking up his opponents then Brazil will no longer have a functional democracy.
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Corrik
10/29/18 12:14:57 PM
#207:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Democracy requires the peaceful transfer of power. If he actually starts locking up his opponents then Brazil will no longer have a functional democracy.

If he seizes power then it is not a democracy anymore, yes. Then you would expect an uprising or civil war to erupt.

However, all you have right now is a person elected president by a country in what really wasn't even that close of a margin.

Will he? Who knows. He seems to have walked back basically his talk on it and dictatorships, which were odd comments to boot. But, time will tell.
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JeffreyRaze
10/29/18 12:20:41 PM
#208:


The calls for violence were in response to stories of military police stamping down on anything looking like dissent. If you don't believe those stories fine, but the person calling for violence did and that makes their response fairly reasonable.
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Corrik
10/29/18 12:22:56 PM
#209:


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/413572-hillary-clinton-leaves-door-open-for-2020-run-id-like-to-be-president

I honestly do not know who is more out of touch with reality anymore. Hillary or Warren.
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Jakyl25
10/29/18 12:25:48 PM
#210:


Corrik posted...

Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT voted in a President who is anti-LGBT to represent them. That is like news at 11 there.

And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.


Human rights are not up for democratic debate. Its not acceptable for them to be on the line at the polls. When they are threatened, you have to make a stand.
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Corrik
10/29/18 1:21:48 PM
#211:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT voted in a President who is anti-LGBT to represent them. That is like news at 11 there.

And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.


Human rights are not up for democratic debate. Its not acceptable for them to be on the line at the polls. When they are threatened, you have to make a stand.

Dude it wasn't even 20 years your Democratic president was signing in DOMA.

LGBT is absolutely a debate. It is not one I agree with, but that is up for them to decide for themselves. If they want to be a Christian country and not recognize homosexuality as a valid way of life then they can choose that for themselves. It is no different than a Muslim country that is a religious nation choosing what they choose to believe.

Saying go commit violence and terrorism over it definitely is the wrong way to respond to that.
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JeffreyRaze
10/29/18 1:24:56 PM
#212:


If you can be arrested for political opinions, you do not have a democracy.
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SupremeZero
10/29/18 1:34:15 PM
#213:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT voted in a President who is anti-LGBT to represent them. That is like news at 11 there.

And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.


Human rights are not up for democratic debate. Its not acceptable for them to be on the line at the polls. When they are threatened, you have to make a stand.

Wait, that's your objection? Not "Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT"? Brazil hasn't been pre-dominantly anti-LGBT in ages. When they legalized same-sex marriage IN 2013, it was fucking 14-1.
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Reg
10/29/18 1:34:23 PM
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Eddv
10/29/18 1:38:58 PM
#215:


Corrik is either too stupid to debate or trolling you.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/29/18 1:39:12 PM
#216:


Corrik posted...
And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.


Unless I misread it, the posts YOU linked to literally said Hey, we might have to be violent, but be careful and only if youre at risk.

Do you really think its terrorism to defend yourself or not?
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NFUN
10/29/18 1:39:44 PM
#217:


Corrik is either too stupid to debate or trolling you.
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SupremeZero
10/29/18 1:44:52 PM
#218:


Eddv posted...
Corrik is either too stupid to debate or trolling you.

I'm not debating Corrik, I'm debating Jakyl *folds arms*
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Reg
10/29/18 1:45:52 PM
#219:


Eddv posted...
Corrik is either too stupid to debate or trolling you.

In other words, literally nothing has changed in the past three years.
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Not_an_Owl
10/29/18 2:24:10 PM
#220:


Going back a few pages and talking about fake-ass Christians:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1056957779783663617

Jeff Sessions gives a speech at a Baptist event and is interrupted by a white preacher quoting the "I was hungry and you did not feed me" passage. The white preacher is escorted out.

A black preacher stands up and reiterates the same points the white preacher did. He is immediately met with heckling and boos, and is then escorted out.

Are we great again yet?
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Suprak the Stud
10/29/18 2:32:28 PM
#222:


Corrik posted...
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/413572-hillary-clinton-leaves-door-open-for-2020-run-id-like-to-be-president

I honestly do not know who is more out of touch with reality anymore. Hillary or Warren.


If she runs again she wouldn't stand a chance, and I think she knows that. She was already not that popular with democrats, and next time she'd be running in a field with a lot more qualified opponents.
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Eddv
10/29/18 2:32:53 PM
#223:


Oh wow those are some brass ones on those preachers.
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Suprak the Stud
10/29/18 2:34:02 PM
#224:


Reg posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056879122348195841
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056880287974649856

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1056913518367260674

I will let these tweets stand on their own. Too disgusted to do anything more than that.


This might be the second grossest moment of his presidency, tbqh.
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Reg
10/29/18 2:36:01 PM
#225:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Reg posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056879122348195841
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056880287974649856

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1056913518367260674

I will let these tweets stand on their own. Too disgusted to do anything more than that.


This might be the second grossest moment of his presidency, tbqh.

Do you have "there are very fine people on both sides" as the first?
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Suprak the Stud
10/29/18 2:40:21 PM
#226:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Going back a few pages and talking about fake-ass Christians:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1056957779783663617

Jeff Sessions gives a speech at a Baptist event and is interrupted by a white preacher quoting the "I was hungry and you did not feed me" passage. The white preacher is escorted out.

A black preacher stands up and reiterates the same points the white preacher did. He is immediately met with heckling and boos, and is then escorted out.

Are we great again yet?


I don't necessarily agree with the second guys point of "hey I'm just exercising my religious liberty why are you escorting us out" because it is fairly disingenuous to stand up during the middle of someone else's speech and not be expected to be removed. I couldn't stand up during that and give a reenactment of my favorite episode of The Office, and while there is freedom of speech that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want whenever you want.

I think their underlying point is very important and I applaud their courage for standing up, but at the same time they shouldn't act surprised when asked to leave.
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Suprak the Stud
10/29/18 2:41:50 PM
#227:


Reg posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
Reg posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056879122348195841
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056880287974649856

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1056913518367260674

I will let these tweets stand on their own. Too disgusted to do anything more than that.


This might be the second grossest moment of his presidency, tbqh.

Do you have "there are very fine people on both sides" as the first?


Oh yes, his response to the UTR rally was far and away the low point of his presidency.

But this is pretty inexcusable too.
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LordoftheMorons
10/29/18 2:44:52 PM
#228:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Reg posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
Reg posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056879122348195841
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1056880287974649856

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1056913518367260674

I will let these tweets stand on their own. Too disgusted to do anything more than that.


This might be the second grossest moment of his presidency, tbqh.

Do you have "there are very fine people on both sides" as the first?


Oh yes, his response to the UTR rally was far and away the low point of his presidency.

But this is pretty inexcusable too.

Even worse, Trump agrees with you! ...because he thinks he never should have walked it back.
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Jakyl25
10/29/18 5:55:31 PM
#229:


I dunno, I still think the child separation was the grossest moment, followed by the initial implementation of the Muslim Ban before they reworked it.

UTR can be third
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Jakyl25
10/29/18 5:58:14 PM
#230:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...

Country that is pre-dominantly anti-LGBT voted in a President who is anti-LGBT to represent them. That is like news at 11 there.

And your analogy is so dumb it is mind blowing. But, I guess it is the best you can come up with while handwaving calls for violence and terrorism while showing you are only for democracy when it benefits you. Got it.


Human rights are not up for democratic debate. Its not acceptable for them to be on the line at the polls. When they are threatened, you have to make a stand.

Dude it wasn't even 20 years your Democratic president was signing in DOMA.

LGBT is absolutely a debate. It is not one I agree with, but that is up for them to decide for themselves. If they want to be a Christian country and not recognize homosexuality as a valid way of life then they can choose that for themselves. It is no different than a Muslim country that is a religious nation choosing what they choose to believe.


Youre right that theyre no different, but theyre both something that should be fought against, with violence if necessary, not put up to a public poll.
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Metal_DK
10/29/18 7:01:22 PM
#231:


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/facebook-dilemma/?utm_source=promourl&utm_medium=direct&utm_campaign=frontline_facebookdilemma_2018

was 2016 the year people realized how 2007 stagnated society? The amount of people who realize the problem now is growing. Sad that it took a moron in the white house for people to realize that the internet in our pockets and the rise of the "personal brand" is fucking stupid
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TotallyNotMI
10/29/18 7:10:54 PM
#234:


To be fair DOMA was veto proof.

(fair to Clinton, not fair to Congress at the time)
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Corrik
10/29/18 7:30:49 PM
#235:


UltimaterializerX posted...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_oct29

If democrats keep losing the black vote by such hilarious levels, they are BEYOND finished.

And do not think black people dont notice how black conservatives get treated by the so-called party of tolerance.

I didn't read your link but I did read somewhere that Trump could garner the most black vote by a Republican candidate in awhile in 2020 with estimates somewhere in the 20s.
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Suprak the Stud
10/29/18 7:38:49 PM
#236:


I actually don't see anything in there for approval delineated by race. It could be in the second to last link, but that is for platinum members only and I'm not interested enough to pay! So it could show a bump but I can't confirm one way or the other at the moment without Ulti copy pasting the raw data he's referencing.
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MoogleKupo141
10/29/18 7:42:02 PM
#237:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/766246213079498752?s=21

why are we still not doing this
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metroid composite
10/29/18 10:50:30 PM
#238:


https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/pa9jkg/bakery-criticized-for-selling-genderless-gingerbread-persons-even-though-cookies-cant-fuck

Bakery that has been selling "ginger persons" cookies since 1983 gets criticized for doing so in 2018.
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LordoftheMorons
10/30/18 12:31:58 AM
#239:


A poll of most-racist-congressman Steve King's district only has him up by 1:
https://twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/1057121115879833600

No idea how good their polling is, but they would have to have fucked up a ton for King not to be doing way worse than last time.
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xp1337
10/30/18 12:52:41 AM
#240:


LordoftheMorons posted...
No idea how good their polling is

538 isn't showing a pollster rating for them. So I dunno.

Looking at their page specifically for their pollster ratings there is a Change Research listed but I dunno if it's the same group. (that one is a C+ pollster but only a sample size of 7 polls analyzed so yeah)

I want to believe but without anything else backing it (and who else would be polling there at this stage?) I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 1:58:42 AM
#241:


Many of us woke up on November 9, 2016 wondering what the hell we could do. Mike Greenfield, the first data scientist at both PayPal and LinkedIn, started running his own opinion polls online to make sense of a world he didn't think he recognized.


I kind of doubt they provide unbiased polling.

I mean, I would love this to be true. The last poll from a "trusted" source on the race was Emerson College in early September, and they had King up 10 sadly. Hopefully I'm wrong but I'm not too optimistic about that district!
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 2:00:59 AM
#242:


I will say that they did release a whole bunch of polls today, and the others don't seem totally out of line with other available polling. I just haven't heard of them before, and like xp said 538 doesn't even give them a real ranking yet.
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LordoftheMorons
10/30/18 3:48:32 AM
#243:


Nate on that poll, fwiw:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1057134841672679427?s=21
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XIII_rocks
10/30/18 5:31:20 AM
#244:


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/10/pushing-saudi-arabia-gcc-crisis-yemen-war-bloomberg-181030052111400.html?__twitter_impression=true

Go...Trump?

Saudi may have murdered an innocent journalist but at least I get to go to Dubai for the weekend again !!
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Corrik
10/30/18 6:27:41 AM
#245:


I don't think Nate Silvers House model is going to end up being super accurate. Most have the house at 205 safe for Dems.and 200 safe for Repubs.

I know we are about a week out still but a lot of Repubs are holding slim leads in a lot of the majority of these toss ups. Granted Dems may take a slim majority but he has them on average gaining 40 seats. I don't think the polls really support that unless there are major unforeseen things which then how is he seeing this?

40 seats put them at 233 seats. That means they are winning their 205 considered safe seats and winning 28 of the 30 toss ups. Polls don't support this. Unless he is considering seats gained in a way I don't understand. That is just for the average gain.

I believe the house is 193 236. 6 vacancies.

This is why I think his model is very dependent on the generic ballot too much, and it doesn't make sense across the larger spectrum.
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Ultii
10/30/18 7:08:19 AM
#246:


xp1337 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
No idea how good their polling is

538 isn't showing a pollster rating for them. So I dunno.

Looking at their page specifically for their pollster ratings there is a Change Research listed but I dunno if it's the same group. (that one is a C+ pollster but only a sample size of 7 polls analyzed so yeah)

I want to believe but without anything else backing it (and who else would be polling there at this stage?) I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Wait you mean 538, the known fraud site, ignores polling that goes against their leftist narrative?

Imagine my shock.
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UItimaterializer
10/30/18 8:11:30 AM
#247:


https://twitter.com/jamierodr10/status/1057064301268295680?s=21

As usual, the democrats are the true racists. Hillary Clinton AGAIN making racist jokes on a panel.

Lets not forget this gem, either.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/11/hillary-clinton-bill-de-blasio/

Or this one. Remember, democrats think they own the brown vote: https://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/hillary-clinton-said-she-meant-no- (space) disrespect-in-comments-during/article_e8b17c02-313f-11e8-a74c-eba41829949d.html

The true side always comes out eventually. The funny thing is if Trump said this same stuff wed hear CNN 24/7 telling us what a racist he is. Its ALMOST like the media is the dishonest enemy of this country or something.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/30/18 8:36:59 AM
#248:


UItimaterializer posted...
https://twitter.com/jamierodr10/status/1057064301268295680?s=21

As usual, the democrats are the true racists. Hillary Clinton AGAIN making racist jokes on a panel


This tweet is wrong.

How are you gonna make me defend Hillary, of all people?

The INTERVIEWER mixed them up, and in context, Hillary was mocking her.

Still an extremely awkward joke, though, although arent the Right supposed to be the people who support these kind of jokes?
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Corrik
10/30/18 8:37:50 AM
#249:


Who the fuck cares about Hillary Clinton. Get new material, Ulti.
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UItimaterializer
10/30/18 8:50:34 AM
#250:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
UItimaterializer posted...
https://twitter.com/jamierodr10/status/1057064301268295680?s=21

As usual, the democrats are the true racists. Hillary Clinton AGAIN making racist jokes on a panel


This tweet is wrong.

How are you gonna make me defend Hillary, of all people?

The INTERVIEWER mixed them up, and in context, Hillary was mocking her.

Still an extremely awkward joke, though, although arent the Right supposed to be the people who support these kind of jokes?

If you look at my post in the politics board, I did say it was funny, but when someone is a known racist its much different.

Corrik posted...
Who the fuck cares about Hillary Clinton. Get new material, Ulti.

Given shes going to run again and even far left outlets are telling her to fuck off, its pretty important. Hillary has more or less said I control the superdelegates, fuck you, and if the DNC allows that idiot to run again they deserve 8 years of Trump.
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Espeon
10/30/18 9:09:06 AM
#251:


Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.
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