Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 202: More Like Cesar Say-owned

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Espeon posted...

White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party

The longest-serving Democrat senator was a high ranking Klansman
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Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Republicans feel Democrats only try to use minorities for votes to prop up their party.

Democrats feel Republicans are racists because they don't cater to minorities

Majority of both parties are not really racist. But, people use these reasons to get there by different means.
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Samurai7 posted...

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One thing that always makes me wonder is how democrats talk about becoming better people and changing their life around and learning from their mistakes and such. Yet, they also bring up anything they can from whenever to try and attack Republicans also.

It is like if your a Democrat you can change, if your a republican you can't.
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Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Democrats quite literally created the KKK: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2008661705/

Nathan Bedford Forrest. Democratic leader. Source is the Library of Congress.
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Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Republicans feel Democrats only try to use minorities for voted to prop up their party.

Democrats feel Republicans are racists because they don't cater to minorities

Majority of both parties are not really racist. But, people use these reasons to get there by different means.

That doesnt explain why ACTUAL racists love the GOP so much.
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Democrats are totally racist. They're just less open about it. Calling them "the real racists" is weird, though, since it implies Republicans are totally blameless, which is far from the truth.

This is America, we don't have a left-wing party. Your choice is either right or far right
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Espeon posted...

Corrik posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Republicans feel Democrats only try to use minorities for voted to prop up their party.

Democrats feel Republicans are racists because they don't cater to minorities

Majority of both parties are not really racist. But, people use these reasons to get there by different means.

That doesnt explain why ACTUAL racists love the GOP so much.

Gun Laws are some of it. Other of it is that Dems cater to minorities and Republicans don't. Which doesn't fit their fuck all minorities mentality but at least is closer to their mentality. For some it isn't enough. As we saw with the anti-Semitic idiot who said he didn't support Trump because he basically wasn't a racist fuck and didn't want to exterminate the Jewish population.
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Corrik posted...

Samurai7 posted...

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One thing that always makes me wonder is how democrats talk about becoming better people and changing their life around and learning from their mistakes and such. Yet, they also bring up anything they can from whenever to try and attack Republicans also.

It is like if your a Democrat you can change, if your a republican you can't.

Strawman
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Messianic Rabbi speaks at Mike Pence event to say prayer for victims of Pittsburgh shooting...

Its like inviting a Mormon Preacher to speak after a bunch of Catholics were shot.

Its pretty offensive.
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Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately not just a problem in the Republican Party.
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Racism is learned. And it's a shame.
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https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1057241611460075520?s=21

Were the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, Trump said.

Hey, thats technically true
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1057241611460075520?s=21

Were the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, Trump said.

Hey, thats technically true

Its like the most amazing thing we do. So of course he wants to reverse it.

This has been the Republican wet dream for decades.

They are using Immigration as an excuse to try to repeal the 14th amendment because the 14th amendment is the foundation of most other federal law at this point
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately not just a problem in the Republican Party.

It wasn't too long ago we talked about the favorability of the Jewish between parties. Many democrats have shed favorability for the Jewish in recent years. It doesn't help that they are usually white and are religious.

Democratic party has gone further and further anti-religion over the years.
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Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1057241611460075520?s=21

Were the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, Trump said.

Hey, thats technically true

Its like the most amazing thing we do. So of course he wants to reverse it.

This has been the Republican wet dream for decades.

They are using Immigration as an excuse to try to repeal the 14th amendment because the 14th amendment is the foundation of most other federal law at this point

Many are saying it is in the Constitution so can't be changed without an amendment. Jus soli.

http://myattorneyusa.com/the-citizenship-clause-and-jus-soli-citizenship-citizenship-by-birth-in-the-united-states

Looks debatable enough.
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Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately not just a problem in the Republican Party.

It wasn't too long ago we talked about the favorability of the Jewish between parties. Many democrats have shed favorability for the Jewish in recent years. It doesn't help that they are usually white and are religious.

Democratic party has gone further and further anti-religion over the years.

How many Jews in Pittsburgh do you know? Jewish leaders have straight up asked Trump not to visit because their congregations are so against who he is and what he stands for.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Anti-semitism is unfortunately not just a problem in the Republican Party.

It wasn't too long ago we talked about the favorability of the Jewish between parties. Many democrats have shed favorability for the Jewish in recent years. It doesn't help that they are usually white and are religious.

Democratic party has gone further and further anti-religion over the years.

How many Jews in Pittsburgh do you know? Jewish leaders have straight up asked Trump not to visit because their congregations are so against who he is and what he stands for.

This literally isn't even on point. Not sure how you got from my post to yours.

That said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/10/29/pittsburgh-shooting-some-jewish-leaders-dont-want-trump-visit/1805115002/

Sure. 11 Jewish leaders asked him not to come. Including the former rabbi.

The current rabbi said he absolutely welcomes Trump to visit and he would never not have him be welcomed because he is an American and Trump is his president.

Basically, you can tell which are Republicans and which are Democrats. Democrats say don't come. Republicans say come. Surprising. Since this happened in Pittsburgh which is a democratic bastion of support, it is not surprising that a democratic view is being shown here by some and making the event political.

Funny enough the letter is described as.

"The letter accused Trump of deliberately undermining the the safety of people of color, Muslims, LGBTQ people and people with disabilities."

Doesn't even mention the Jewish community and mentions Muslims. Like, I highly believe that letter was sent with an earnest, not political charge from the Jewish community.
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While I dont subscribe to the DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS belief because it is crazy and not true, I would say anti-semitism specifically is just as bad amongst democrats.

I understand why some Jewish leaders dont want Trump there particularly for his abhorrent rhetoric after the UTR rally. But like Corrik pointed out it isnt all Jewish leaders. And we have some very questionable people in our party as well.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

While I dont subscribe to the DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS belief because it is crazy and not true, I would say anti-semitism specifically is just as bad amongst democrats.

I understand why some Jewish leaders dont want Trump there particularly for his abhorrent rhetoric after the UTR rally. But like Corrik pointed out it isnt all Jewish leaders. And we have some very questionable people in our party as well.

People forget Kushner is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism to marry him. Trying to pin Anti-Semitism on Trump doesn't really hold a ton of water.

Ivanka is his Golden Child after all.
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Many democrats have shed favorability for the Jewish in recent years.

First off, saying "the Jewish" is rude. Secondly, Jews, especially in Pittsburgh, are more democratic currently than they were in the past, in part because of their aversion to Trump.

That's what I was getting at.

The event was political to begin with. Your suggestion that it's only political because of Democrats is naive.
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Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

While I dont subscribe to the DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS belief because it is crazy and not true, I would say anti-semitism specifically is just as bad amongst democrats.

I understand why some Jewish leaders dont want Trump there particularly for his abhorrent rhetoric after the UTR rally. But like Corrik pointed out it isnt all Jewish leaders. And we have some very questionable people in our party as well.

People forget Kushner is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism to marry him. Trying to pin Anti-Semitism on Trump doesn't really hold a ton of water.

Ivanka is his Golden Child after all.

"He married three women so can't be misogynist!"

You're wrong. The fact that Ivanka had to persuade him to denounce anti semitism is statement enough on its own. The fact that he didn't disown a mob chanting "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" is another example.

But I forgot, you always give your daddy the benefit of the doubt. Go fuck yourself.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Many democrats have shed favorability for the Jewish in recent years.

First off, saying "the Jewish" is rude. Secondly, Jews, especially in Pittsburgh, are more democratic currently than they were in the past, in part because of their aversion to Trump.

That's what I was getting at.

The event was political to begin with. Your suggestion that it's only political because of Democrats is naive.

Yeah okay. I highly doubt Trump turned the major democratic stronghold of Pittsburgh more Democratic. Eye roll.

And, what the fuck are you on about Jewish being offensive. Saying the Jewish (implied community) is not offensive.

Neither is the word Jew when not used as an insult.

"The noun Jew is not offensive, and the overwhelming majority of English-speaking Jews use the noun Jew to identify themselves. That said, it has become offensive for historical reasons to use the word Jew attributively, in modifying another noun (as in "Jew lawyer"); the adjective Jewish is preferred for this purpose. Additionally, the derived verbs jew and jew down are considered offensive, as they reflect stereotypes considered offensive."
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Pssst

Eddv posted...

Corrik is either too stupid to debate or trolling you.

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Peace___Frog posted...

Corrik posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

While I dont subscribe to the DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS belief because it is crazy and not true, I would say anti-semitism specifically is just as bad amongst democrats.

I understand why some Jewish leaders dont want Trump there particularly for his abhorrent rhetoric after the UTR rally. But like Corrik pointed out it isnt all Jewish leaders. And we have some very questionable people in our party as well.

People forget Kushner is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism to marry him. Trying to pin Anti-Semitism on Trump doesn't really hold a ton of water.

Ivanka is his Golden Child after all.

"He married three women so can't be misogynist!"

You're wrong. The fact that Ivanka had to persuade him to denounce anti semitism is statement enough on its own. The fact that he didn't disown a mob chanting "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" is another example.

But I forgot, you always give your daddy the benefit of the doubt. Go fuck yourself.

LMFAO. Everyone is offensive, racist, and terrible people because they are Republicans. You have become a charicature.

Nothing of facts support your nonsense. Trump just moved the embassy to Jerusalem and recognized it as the true capital. Is a staunch defender of Israel. His favorite person in the whole world converted to Judaism.

If a democrat went into a debate spouting your nonsense they would he literally laughed off the stage.
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Well I think this shooting specifically is unfair to pin on Trump, particularly because this guy had been a rabid anti-semite for over a decade now and routinely posted about how Trump loved Jewish people and was part of the problem.

There is a difference between the alt-right (which Trump courted and are definitely anti-semitic) and neo nazis. I understand the end result is not necessarily different, but neo nazis unfortunately predate Trump by quite sometime.
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There's been a marked increase in political violence across the board which is little more than the logical consequence of how extremely polarized things have gotten.

HOWEVER, Trumps unwillingness to condemn or separate himself from the acts leading up to this to include Charlottesvillle or at the very least his inabiliity to condemn without immediately after blowing the dogwhistle has helped things reach a fever pitch they might not have with better leadership.
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Corrik posted...

Trump just moved the embassy to Jerusalem and recognized it as the true capital. Is a staunch defender of Israel

This isn't directed towards corrik because I know he's too dense to understand the nuance. This is for the observers who may not be aware.

There are more Jews in the US than anywhere else. Judaism and Israel are not interchangeable. Many Jews, myself included, were appalled by the decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem because of the geopolitical implications. It has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with making peace in Palestine less of a realistic goal. Defending Israel does not equate to defending Judaism. The two are separate entities. Israeli Jews loved the move, sure - because they are Israeli. Again, it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics.
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Eddv posted...

There's been a marked increase in political violence across the board which is little more than the logical consequence of how extremely polarized things have gotten.

HOWEVER, Trumps unwillingness to condemn or separate himself from the acts leading up to this to include Charlottesvillle or at the very least his inabiliity to condemn without immediately after blowing the dogwhistle has helped things reach a fever pitch they might not have with better leadership.

Biggest spikes in it were in 2015 and 2016 I think that quartz chart said that I linked to actually support your arguments that Trump led to spikes in it. 2016 ( election year) you can maybe pin on Trump but 2015 is squarely on Obama time.
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UItimaterializer posted...

Espeon posted...

Okay, this has been bugging me a lot in the wake of the MAGAbomber and then the anti Semitic mass murderer in Pittsburgh. But how the fuck is any human being stupid enough to think DEMOCRATS are the real racists in America? Sure, there may be some racially tone-deaf statements made, but last I checked, neo-Nazis, White supremacists and Klansmen werent lining up to back the Democratic Party. Its like that Gillum video: sure, Republicans MIGHT not be racist, but theres certainly SOMETHING about their policies that appeals to fucking racists.

Democrats quite literally created the KKK: http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2008661705/

Nathan Bedford Forrest. Democratic leader. Source is the Library of Congress.

When it was created, the KKK was democrat affiliated. It then died for several decades, and then was revived by the first full length motion picture ever created (which depicted the KKK as heroes). Again by democrats for what it's worth. There was a Democrat in the white house at the time (Woodrow Wilson) who had imposed segregated workplaces on all federal employees, who liked the film cause it boosted support for his segregation policies.

But by 1964 things flipped around. A Democrat, Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawing segregation everywhere, and the Republican candidate for president, Barry Goldwater, was running on a pro segregation platform. (Incidentally, one of the reasons Hillary Clinton gets accused of past racism is that she described herself as a "proud Goldwater girl" in high-school--her support for the segregationist Republican, not Democrat).

By the 80s and 90s though, both parties were rejecting the KKK. David Duke (former KKK leader) ran as a Democrat in the 1988 presidential primary election, and as a republican in the 1992 presidential primary, and got crushed BOTH times. For a while both parties were giving the KKK the middle finger.

This is kind of how it should be. The KKK will always be trying to find a way in to one of the parties, and both parties should be saying "no, we don't want you." And for a couple of decades both parties largely were rejecting the KKK.

I think the Republicans have gotten sloppy in the last couple years though. Openly white supremacist people like Steve King in congress, and for a while the top Republican in California's senate primary was an admitted Neo Nazi (Patrick Little). Republicans really need to clean house and get rid of these people. Little already lost; hopefully they dump King in the upcoming election.

And yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if 10-20 years down the road white supremacists will be trying to weasel their way into the Democratic party, and it'll be the Democrats needing to clean house. But right now, in 2018, it's Republicans who need to clean house.

To quote Mad-Eye Moody: "CONSTANT, NEVER-CEASING VIGILANCE."
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(He either doesnt want to or cant understand that nuance, metroid. A noble effort, though!)
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DeepsPraw posted...

This is America, we don't have a left-wing party. Your choice is either right or far right

This statement is 100% accurate with regards to economics but very stupid with regards to social issues. Most elected Democrats are actually moderately left when it comes to social issues, or have been getting there over the last 5 or so years. Even for corporatist and establishment Dems, it's perhaps their only saving grace. Of course... economically left policies would help minorities out more than pretty much anything else they could do but you know.

And this idea that Democrats are equally as anti-semitic as a party that has an ever growing neo-Nazi movement is absurdly ignorant.
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Mainstream democratic politicians have either courted support from Louis Farrakhan or appeared in public with him without saying anything about his egregious rhetoric. You can ignore the anti-semitism in our party if you want, but it definitely exists.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1057241611460075520?s=21

Were the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, Trump said.

Hey, thats technically true

Fuck him. What a fucking unamerican piece of shit.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Mainstream democratic politicians have either courted support from Louis Farrakhan or appeared in public with him without saying anything about his egregious rhetoric. You can ignore the anti-semitism in our party if you want, but it definitely exists.

Saying one side has more than the other =/= saying it doesn't exist

Also not a registered Democrat or anything, not as long as they still take corporate PAC money.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1057241611460075520?s=21

Were the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States, Trump said.

Hey, thats technically true

Fuck him. What a fucking unamerican piece of shit.

Can democrats seriously just not like make coherent arguments anymore? I swear 90% of democratic posts are "fuck this" or "fuck them" or "fuck that". Like, we get it. You think acting extreme is cool. And, it isn't just politics. I swear I go to forums and read nonstop the above comments in single line drivebys.

And, in before someone says how do you know they are democrats?
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Birthright citizenship is a clearly defined 14th Amendment right. Trump claiming he's going to end it is just as valid as if he said he was going to eliminate the right to bear arms through executive order (i.e. completely unconstitutional).
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some things are so viscerally god awful that empathetic people don't need to waste time arguing against them
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Corrik, we could make completely rational arguments as to WHY Trump is an unamerican piece of shit, but your response would inevitably be oh sure, once again ANYTHING that Trump does is racist. Its only racist if a person openly comes out and says I am a racist. #thisiswhyyoulost #maga
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Is some fucking garbage user trying to defend a moronic attempt to amend the constitution by executive order?

Go back to fucking third grade social studies, you ignorant piece of trash.

Like almost every country on the American continents have jus soli

I wonder why...
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Im convinced this is 4D chess to make leftists defend the constitution.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Birthright citizenship is a clearly defined 14th Amendment right. Trump claiming he's going to end it is just as valid as if he said he was going to eliminate the right to bear arms through executive order (i.e. completely unconstitutional).

Well, there is grey area. The under the jurisdiction part of it. Which is why it has been to the Supreme Court before and could be headed back to it, I presume.
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StartTheMachine posted...

Suprak the Stud posted...

Mainstream democratic politicians have either courted support from Louis Farrakhan or appeared in public with him without saying anything about his egregious rhetoric. You can ignore the anti-semitism in our party if you want, but it definitely exists.

Saying one side has more than the other =/= saying it doesn't exist

Also not a registered Democrat or anything, not as long as they still take corporate PAC money.

I understand that, but what I'm getting at is I cannot say for sure that there are fewer anti-semites in my party than the other party. I feel comfortable saying most people who are islamophobic, homophobic, transphobic, etc are republicans (definitely not say being a republican makes you any of those things, of course, but that kind of bigotry is more at home in current republican ideology). I cannot say that for anti-semitism because I think this is a big issue on both sides.

Like I said, Farrakhan is mainstream adjacent. At least with Richard Spencer, you don't see Kasich or Bush or Rubio clamoring to take pictures with him. And Farrakhan has said things that are absolutely every bit as vile and hateful as Spencer in regards to Jewish individuals.
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Espeon posted...

Corrik, we could make completely rational arguments as to WHY Trump is an unamerican piece of shit, but your response would inevitably be oh sure, once again ANYTHING that Trump does is racist. Its only racist if a person openly comes out and says I am a racist. #thisiswhyyoulost #maga

Because you can't make compelling arguments and your arguments are basically just the same thing in repeat ad nauseum. It doesn't change how drive by posting to look cool doesn't look cool and is pretty pathetic on a forum on the topic.

If you do not want discussion, why go to a forum for discussion.

Saying "Fuck Rockstar" for example in a topic that erroneously titles "Rockstar mandates 100 hour weeks from workers" is hardly discussion. At that point you are not discussing anything. You are just trying to look cool or something.

This is repeated basically across the board regarding so many things it is wild.

Fuck the pigs
Fuck Trump
Fuck Microsoft
Fuck centrists
Fuck not voting
Fuck Arby's
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

These posts have zero purpose.
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Hey fuck Arby's though. I always have some sort of bathroom issue when I eat their roast beef.
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You shut your mouth about Arby's you monster.

The got the meats.
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Lol. Meat Mountain does exist.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Hey fuck Arby's though. I always have some sort of bathroom issue when I eat their roast beef.

I don't want to know what prompted this, but I eat Arbys regularly and I never have any issues like you're referencing.

Taco Bell too, for that matter <_<

Reg posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Hey fuck Arby's though. I always have some sort of bathroom issue when I eat their roast beef.

I don't want to know what prompted this, but I eat Arbys regularly and I never have any issues like you're referencing.

Taco Bell too, for that matter <_<

I never have problems at Taco Bell! I can't think of a single place I have any issue other than Arby's. Granted I don't eat too much fast food anymore (outside of Chipotle), but the only place that ever gives me an issue is Arby's.
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