Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 459: Cancel WWE Network

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Just in case you forget

way ahead of you
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Already taken care of my man.
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I'd have to be subscribed to it to cancel it
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I'd have to be subscribed to it to cancel it

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Maniac64 posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I'd have to be subscribed to it to cancel it

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Did something worse than usual happen recently, or is this just a general reminder?
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in news pertaining to why the wwe product might be worth watching a year from now;
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/9qcl7f/wor_fox_wants_daniel_cormier_on_smackdown/

plenty of reason to think Fox wants a different show than we currently get. which can't be a bad thing.

What's the straw that broke the camel's back?

Some of the upcoming shows look decent enough.
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voltch posted...

What's the straw that broke the camel's back?

Some of the upcoming shows look decent enough.

The garbage product is no longer part of this question, it's about the murderous government they're being paid to promote.

Saudi Arabia, mostly.

And just you have to realize most of us are of the age where we brought into a WWE that had fast pace and compelling stories and if you didnt like them? Stick around were gonna go someplace else soon.

Lately we have been stuck in a huge rut.
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I'm not really the most principled person and I'll readily admit that for a different product I might talk about this differently. But when it comes down to a mediocre product that explicitly will not cater to me, that is doing something I find reprehensible, at a time when there's more alternatives than there has ever been, the question becomes why would you subscribe?

Your stance kind of loses any merit when you say you would still support a better product.
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I thought they were ditching crown jewel?
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So over-under on Cody and the Bucks going to WWE after last night? I say 50%.
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The real shame for me is that regardless of the show quality, WWE directly affects my enjoyment of other promotions through stuff such as signing talent.

scarletspeed7 posted...

So over-under on Cody and the Bucks going to WWE after last night? I say 50%.

What happened to make you say that?
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WitcherGeralt posted...

Your stance kind of loses any merit when you say you would still support a better product.

does it gain merit when you read back about 3 months and saw i've been saying "cancel wwe network" as the final post of every topic i've had the chance to?

scarletspeed7 posted...

So over-under on Cody and the Bucks going to WWE after last night? I say 50%.

Well the bucks are 100% going.

Cody is your ???
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STElNER posted...

WitcherGeralt posted...

Your stance kind of loses any merit when you say you would still support a better product.

does it gain merit when you read back about 3 months and saw i've been saying "cancel wwe network" as the final post of every topic i've had the chance to?

Yes.

Yes it does.

Their involvement in world politics is quite annoying but to top it off they are being paid extra to make sure that nostalgia acts are involved over members of the active roster. That is annoying on two fronts. One, their inability to make a new star is absolutely hilarious/disappointing at the same time. Two, we are forced to watch these guys who are way past their prime as opposed to members of the active roster. And here is my major complaining point because it was almost expected for awhile that this was something you had to endure during the Big 4 PPVs but now because of things like Greatest Royal Rumble/Crown Jewel/Super-Showdown these have now invaded many other parts of the year. I can't even turn on the shows anymore. Like how hard is it just to get Braun vs Roman for the freaking title without something stupid happening like at Hell in a Cell? It's all just so stupid.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

So over-under on Cody and the Bucks going to WWE after last night? I say 50%.

What happened?

Cody lost the NWA title back to Nick Aldis in the NWA 70th anniversary show.

Which apparently means chances Cody/Bucks jump to WWE in January go up? (Why?)
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There hasnt been A moment the Bucks werent coming.

As Ive said for a year

It was beyond obvious.

Look at any sports star or coach ever. If they ever say anything about getting older or doing something for family, they are ONE HUNDRED percent going for the money, that is what that is code for. The Bucks are coming, the Bucks were ALWAYS coming.

They told you all they were since the beginning, but everyone put their head in a hole in denial instead.

If Kenny loses at WK it will be double heartbreaking because it will mean that's where he's going as well.
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STElNER posted...

voltch posted...

What's the straw that broke the camel's back?

Some of the upcoming shows look decent enough.

The garbage product is no longer part of this question, it's about the murderous government they're being paid to promote.

It is part of the question

If this was a company people liked and didn't think was tremendously, aggressively shitty then there'd be more people defending WWE here with the Saudis

But since we all acknowledge that they're the worst even before this...? The jump to "yeah, fuck WWE" is much quicker
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Ah I see you basically said the same thing later

It comes back to what I was saying before. With a company people liked, you wouldn't necessarily assume the worst (Steph's philanthropy tweet would be seen as an unfortunate misstep rather than a legendary, deal-breaking faux pas). But it's a constant downward spiralling, rotten egg zombie chicken situation with this company.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

If Kenny loses at WK it will be double heartbreaking because it will mean that's where he's going as well.

I think hell come next year.

I really think he wants to ride this reign for all its worth to REALLY put his mark on NJPW history.

That said, Ill say this, if the original plan was to put Tanahashi over there, yeah hes 100% gone, and why wouldnt he be?

Like,
At
That time the only reasonable reaction is that Im incredibly grateful for you putting me in the ME 2 out of 3 years (arguably 3 out of 3 if you include Jericho) giving me runs with all the belts and letting me beat your Ace clean, and giving me a run with the World Title, but if I have to job to an aging star at the ME, then Ive reached the highest Im ever gonna get here.

well people aren't talking about the bigger stories here

1. there's a lot of talk about new management at njpw not being loved by everyone with the general feeling being they are bad at talking to talent and the implication seems to be they are not valuing the elite as highly as you would expect, and that they are being treated like workers on a production line that can be replaced rather than unique draws

2. talk of the jacksonville jaguars owners looking to start something with jericho, jim ross, and the elite involved

I thought Meltzer debunked the Khan story.

Khan is linked with a lot of entertainment related purchases of late.
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voltch posted...

I thought Meltzer debunked the Khan story.

Khan is linked with a lot of entertainment related purchases of late.

ah, i had not heard

STElNER posted...

well people aren't talking about the bigger stories here

1. there's a lot of talk about new management at njpw not being loved by everyone with the general feeling being they are bad at talking to talent and the implication seems to be they are not valuing the elite as highly as you would expect, and that they are being treated like workers on a production line that can be replaced rather than unique draws

2. talk of the jacksonville jaguars owners looking to start something with jericho, jim ross, and the elite involved

Unless Jim Ross is paying more than the E, the Bucks are going to the E.

And I dont care if the new management was as nice as mother Theresa and buying them hookers on the hour, the Bucks were ALWAYS, EVERY SINGLE SECOND NEVER ONCE DID THEY HAVE A DOUBT, going to WWE.

You may be right with Cody and Omega. But I also havent said for a year lock stock and barrel they are coming.

I dont care what they said in interviews with each other, I dont care what they said after all in, I dont care they said theyd never leave their friends when with their friends

The second I heard their interview talking about their families there was never a single debate they were going to whomever paid them the most.

No, their creative freedom, dates worked, work rate, move limiting, getting to work with other great workers, making their own schedule, none of that was ever going to be deciding for the Bucks.

And they made that clear. Most of the IWC didnt listen

Unless NJPW is gonna pay them more than WWE, (they arent) they are gone.

Honestly wouldn't mind the Elite leaving at this point.

Storylines about how they're expanding the business aren't as interesting as personal blood feuds.
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voltch posted...

Honestly wouldn't mind the Elite leaving at this point.

Storylines about how they're expanding the business aren't as interesting as personal blood feuds.

I think you arent thinking historically when you say that.

Kenny Omega has already been in WWE and he fucking hated it.
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LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

Unless Jim Ross is paying more than the E, the Bucks are going to the E.

why would you look at the list of people i said and assume jim ross would be the one paying

Barbecue Sauce
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STElNER posted...

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

Unless Jim Ross is paying more than the E, the Bucks are going to the E.

why would you look at the list of people i said and assume jim ross would be the one paying

Im guessing hed be HoTR like at WWE.

Even if hes not. Who ever it is, would have to pay them more than WWE or they arent leaving was more my point there. I doubt they care who delivers nor signs their checks

Take this with a grain of salt, but the current rumor is that Roman is injured and that Cena and Daniel Bryan are refusing to go to Saudi Arabia.

So they may end up canceling the Crown Jewel show.

No really solid source, but just a dude called Robbie Fox who has broken news before.
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LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

If Kenny loses at WK it will be double heartbreaking because it will mean that's where he's going as well.

I think hell come next year.

I really think he wants to ride this reign for all its worth to REALLY put his mark on NJPW history.

That said, Ill say this, if the original plan was to put Tanahashi over there, yeah hes 100% gone, and why wouldnt he be?

Tanahashi going over is the logical end of the storyline

UNLESS hes either retiring or turning heel
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Go Ace!
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Jakyl25 posted...

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

If Kenny loses at WK it will be double heartbreaking because it will mean that's where he's going as well.

I think hell come next year.

I really think he wants to ride this reign for all its worth to REALLY put his mark on NJPW history.

That said, Ill say this, if the original plan was to put Tanahashi over there, yeah hes 100% gone, and why wouldnt he be?

Tanahashi going over is the logical end of the storyline

UNLESS hes either retiring or turning heel

It doesnt matter if its the logical end.

If you are Omega, and they have you job to the guy at the end of his line, then its CLEAR, this is your max, and you should go. Hes never gonna beat Okada, Naito, or anyone else from Japan they have coming down the line in the Dome, so this right here would be the only chance ever. Or to put simply. If he loses the only time its ever even POSSIBLE hed win, what are you sticking around for, you can only ever get this high again, but never go higher there.

why is everything so black and white with you? your guy doesn't have to win all the time. if kenny is around for years it tells a great story of him still having something to achieve. it took okada years to overcome tanahashi, and then he was superior for years. that's the way new japan tells stories. kenny could lose this year, build to finally getting the dome win a year later, then lose to okada after resting that for a bit, and rematch him the next dome show to see if he can finally beat okada at the dome. whole bunch of extra stories you can tell there and that's if you only use okada and tana, never mind naito or anyone else.

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

If you are Omega, and they have you job to the guy at the end of his line, then its CLEAR, this is your max, and you should go. Hes never gonna beat Okada, Naito, or anyone else from Japan they have coming down the line in the Dome, so this right here would be the only chance ever. Or to put simply. If he loses the only time its ever even POSSIBLE hed win, what are you sticking around for, you can only ever get this high again, but never go higher there.

And his odds of even getting that high in WWE are...?
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Jakyl25 posted...

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

If you are Omega, and they have you job to the guy at the end of his line, then its CLEAR, this is your max, and you should go. Hes never gonna beat Okada, Naito, or anyone else from Japan they have coming down the line in the Dome, so this right here would be the only chance ever. Or to put simply. If he loses the only time its ever even POSSIBLE hed win, what are you sticking around for, you can only ever get this high again, but never go higher there.

And his odds of even getting that high in WWE are...?

Samoa Joe just had a WWE Title match at second biggest show of the year.
Past his prime.

You dont think Omega in his prime would?

And no one in the world should be insane enough to think WK>SS or RR....

So if youre gonna end up the end of the night looking at the lights anyway, who cares?

Beyond that. In his opinion he COULD go higher in WWE. If he loses at this WK he 100% sure isnt ever going higher in NJPW. At least one you have a chance. If he stays, hes where he is, will obviously be instantly dropped down card to upper mid card, and can only ever get as high as he was, but never surpass it.

You know, careers are not necessarily defined by titles.
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STElNER posted...

why is everything so black and white with you? your guy doesn't have to win all the time. if kenny is around for years it tells a great story of him still having something to achieve. it took okada years to overcome tanahashi, and then he was superior for years. that's the way new japan tells stories. kenny could lose this year, build to finally getting the dome win a year later, then lose to okada after resting that for a bit, and rematch him the next dome show to see if he can finally beat okada at the dome. whole bunch of extra stories you can tell there and that's if you only use okada and tana, never mind naito or anyone else.

Thats all well and good. But in NJPW hes NEVER going to beat their Ace (whether it be Okada, Naito, or whoever else after) at WK. its not a thing they do, hes still not Japanese.

scarletspeed7 posted...

You know, careers are not necessarily defined by titles.

Where did I say it was? (Especially in WWE)

But in NJPW it pretty much is. Titles ME.

If he loses here hes never winning the WK ME, and hes already done literally everything else, so....

LetsGoSquirtle7 posted...

If he loses here hes never winning the WK ME

why