Poll of the Day > One good thing about Venom being a hit.

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Cotton_Eye_Joe
10/07/18 6:48:49 PM
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Disney is going to have to buy Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.

They'll add Greece to World Showcase and have a God of War ride.
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Revelation34
10/07/18 6:53:34 PM
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Sony is too big to buy.
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likehelly
10/07/18 7:03:44 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Sony is too big to buy.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

lmao

dude

jfc

lol
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Revelation34
10/07/18 7:07:01 PM
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likehelly posted...
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

lmao

dude

jfc

lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44" data-time="

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DirtBasedSoap
10/07/18 7:19:02 PM
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Oy vey! I hope Disney doesnt buy Sony.
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Monopoman
10/07/18 7:21:09 PM
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Just because a movie does well in it's first weekend doesn't mean it's a hit. Batman Vs. Superman had incredible numbers on it's first week and yet that movie under-performed.
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Krazy_Kirby
10/07/18 7:56:53 PM
#7:


idiots thought a venom movie was going to be good so they went to see it.

doesn't mean it's a hit or good
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Blighboy
10/07/18 8:01:09 PM
#8:


A Venom sequel will likely underperform significantly in the way Justice League or ASM2 did, so Venom's numbers right now don't mean much long term.

I am curious if Sony learned their lesson from ASM2 or if they're going to make the same mistake (with the same franchise) twice. That's not to be too hard on Sony though. Obviously the audience didn't learn or Venom wouldn't be doing so well.
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rogerskg1979
10/07/18 8:54:39 PM
#9:


You can't buy something that isn't for sale. Sony isn't for sale.
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Revelation34
10/08/18 12:10:01 AM
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Zangulus posted...
Ever heard of a hostile take over? The joy of being publicly traded.


Good luck pulling that off with a company as large as Sony.
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madadude
10/08/18 12:16:28 AM
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That is the furthest thing from a good thing.
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dioxxys
10/08/18 12:30:32 AM
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GanonsSpirit
10/08/18 12:39:29 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Sony is too Japanese to buy.

FTFY
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wwinterj25
10/08/18 12:44:56 AM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Disney is going to have to buy Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.


... or just buy Spider-Man?
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Cruddy_horse
10/08/18 12:53:44 AM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Disney is going to have to buy Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.


... or just buy Spider-Man?


Lol this, why would they buy an entire massive multimedia company because one film was a success.
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Nichtcrawler X
10/08/18 9:25:31 AM
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I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...
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rogerskg1979
10/08/18 1:31:19 PM
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Zangulus posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Disney is going to have to buy Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.


... or just buy Spider-Man?


Theyve tried. Sony isnt giving it up. I want to know how much Disney ended up paying just to get 4 movies worth of Spidey.


This. Sony is not willing to sell Spider-Man. Disney tried to buy the rights from Sony, and Sony wasn't willing to sell. Sony would only offer a joint-venture with Disney to include Spider-Man in the MCU while Sony kept the actual rights to the character.

Also, this joint-venture is only good for 4 movies. Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Infinity War, and Spider-Man Far From Home. After that, Sony can choose to not renew the deal and keep Spider-Man out of future MCU movies. So actually Venom doing well might not be a good thing for the MCU if Sony now thinks that they can do a successful Spider-Man movie without Disney.
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Veedrock-
10/08/18 1:44:36 PM
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rogerskg1979 posted...
Also, this joint-venture is only good for 4 movies. Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Infinity War, and Spider-Man Far From Home. After that, Sony can choose to not renew the deal and keep Spider-Man out of future MCU movies. So actually Venom doing well might not be a good thing for the MCU if Sony now thinks that they can do a successful Spider-Man movie without Disney.

I'm still expecting Holland to be the Spider-man of Sony's universe. (I was expecting a suited cameo in Venom until they confirmed the symbiote's origin wasn't Spidey related.) They'd only be able to make vague references to the actual MCU but they could treat all of those events as canon to its own and start strong with an established Spider-man. This way they don't have to build up yet another actor and origin and they get to coast off the MCU's success with him.

Something like this had to be the plan all along. I've seen people say that Sony is trying to work Disney for a long-term partnership but that's just fan wishes. Disney is the desperate one in this relationship and Sony has all the leverage.
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rogerskg1979
10/08/18 1:48:05 PM
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Zangulus posted...
rogerskg1979 posted...
Zangulus posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Disney is going to have to buy Sony to keep Spider-Man in the MCU.


... or just buy Spider-Man?


Theyve tried. Sony isnt giving it up. I want to know how much Disney ended up paying just to get 4 movies worth of Spidey.


This. Sony is not willing to sell Spider-Man. Disney tried to buy the rights from Sony, and Sony wasn't willing to sell. Sony would only offer a joint-venture with Disney to include Spider-Man in the MCU while Sony kept the actual rights to the character.

Also, this joint-venture is only good for 4 movies. Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Infinity War, and Spider-Man Far From Home. After that, Sony can choose to not renew the deal and keep Spider-Man out of future MCU movies. So actually Venom doing well might not be a good thing for the MCU if Sony now thinks that they can do a successful Spider-Man movie without Disney.


I think Civil War didnt count toward the movies. Avengers 4 will be his other one.


Yeah, you're right. I don't know how I overlooked Avengers 4. lol
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rogerskg1979
10/08/18 1:50:36 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Disney is the desperate one in this relationship and Sony has all the leverage.


WTF

Disney isn't desperate. The MCU is a massive success even without Spider-Man. They didn't need Spider-Man at all. Spider-Man is just extra icing on the cake.

Sony was the desperate one because the Spider-Man movies with Andrew Garfield failed hard.
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Revelation34
10/08/18 1:54:17 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...


Apparently they fixed that.

rogerskg1979 posted...
This. Sony is not willing to sell Spider-Man. Disney tried to buy the rights from Sony, and Sony wasn't willing to sell. Sony would only offer a joint-venture with Disney to include Spider-Man in the MCU while Sony kept the actual rights to the character.

Also, this joint-venture is only good for 4 movies. Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, Infinity War, and Spider-Man Far From Home. After that, Sony can choose to not renew the deal and keep Spider-Man out of future MCU movies. So actually Venom doing well might not be a good thing for the MCU if Sony now thinks that they can do a successful Spider-Man movie without Disney.


It was because they didn't have their version of Spiderman in it.
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ernieforss
10/08/18 1:57:44 PM
#26:


Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...


they actually fixed it in the movie. that saying it seems like they must have spent all their money fixing it, because the movie still terrible. I thought at first it was a little bit better than Predator (2018), but thinking back I think Predator and this movie are pretty damn equal. Venom (the movie) is just overall boring and Tom Hardly was god awful and uncharismatic in the this movie. All the jokes landed so flat and all the action were dull (I'm blaming that due to it's PG-13 rating). If the movie came out in the 90s before the marvel universe took off, it would have been a decent comic book movie next to Spawn and Dolph Lundgren's Punisher. But we are super spoiled now and this movie should have not been directed and written this way. It feels like a cash grab.
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Nichtcrawler X
10/08/18 1:58:28 PM
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rogerskg1979 posted...
After that, Sony can choose to not renew the deal and keep Spider-Man out of future MCU movies.


Oh please, hell no. I already have to deal with 2 licensing based continuity lock-outs in separate franchises. Stuff like that is not funny and only hurts the quality of the franchise.
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Veedrock-
10/08/18 2:06:24 PM
#28:


rogerskg1979 posted...
Disney isn't desperate. The MCU is a massive success even without Spider-Man. They didn't need Spider-Man at all. Spider-Man is just extra icing on the cake.

Sony was the desperate one because the Spider-Man movies with Andrew Garfield failed hard.


Never said MCU needed Spider-man, but they absolutely wanted him. If Sony was desperate, Disney could have leveraged a better deal. Instead they're looking to lose Spider-man after a short run.

The first ASM was a success; the second didn't fail, it just didn't meet elevated expectations. The big blow to that franchise was some behind-the-scenes stuff with actors and the director not wanting long commitments. Here you are making things up to fit your narrative which is exactly what I was talking about in my post.
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Mead
10/08/18 2:16:27 PM
#29:


Sony wont be parting with Spider-Man any time soon. Its made them billions. Even the movies that have sucked have been profitable.
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HylianPaladin
10/08/18 5:29:02 PM
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Sony keeping rights to spidey is likely why this incarnation of spidey isn't pure trash (i've not liked the last few). I might go see Venom if the general concensus is it's pretty solid.
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ernieforss
10/08/18 5:46:13 PM
#31:


HylianPaladin posted...
Sony keeping rights to spidey is likely why this incarnation of spidey isn't pure trash (i've not liked the last few). I might go see Venom if the general concensus is it's pretty solid.

go see venom. I would like to know what you think.
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DirtBasedSoap
10/08/18 5:49:38 PM
#32:


MCU without Spider-Man = whack
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ParanoidObsessive
10/09/18 8:02:59 PM
#33:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
idiots thought a venom movie was going to be good so they went to see it.

doesn't mean it's a hit or good

Came in to say something like this.

I don't actually care about Venom in the slightest, so I've had zero interest in the movie (and zero emotional investment over whether or not it succeeds or fails), so I don't really care how well it does. But my reaction to this topic was basically "IS it a hit?", because first week numbers don't necessarily reflect long-term success, and it still has to make like another $200 million just to break even.

It DOES seem to be over-performing beyond initial expectations, so that might be a good thing, but there's still a lot of time for it to collapse. It might just be a case of hyped-up 90s kids desperate to see a Venom movie rushing out to see it on release, but lesser general interest and poor word-of-mouth might still kill it long-term. Or positive word-of-mouth might increase sales even more. It's hard to say how things will go, especially since "quality" alone is rarely an indicator of what audiences will throw money at anyway (and again, having not seen it, I can't say whether it's surprisingly good or disappointingly bad regardless).

I'd wait at least a few more weeks before I call it a hit or a flop.



Revelation34 posted...
Zangulus posted...
Ever heard of a hostile take over? The joy of being publicly traded.

Good luck pulling that off with a company as large as Sony.

This.

People think hostile takeovers are easier than they are because they don't really understand them, and because TV shows and movies make them seem kind of common, but they're pretty hard to pull off successfully. And tend to cost a LOT of money, and can damage company PR. It's an investment Disney probably wouldn't be willing to make over a single character (that, from their perspective, they don't even really necessarily NEED - especially since they're still making money off all Spider-Man merchandising and non-film projects).

Yes, Disney is one of the most powerful corporations on Earth economically, legally, and politically, but at the end of the day, it takes a LOT of effort to drag down a company as large as Sony. Remember, Vivendi is a huge media company, and they failed in their recent attempted takeover of Ubisoft.

And when it comes down to it, Disney would have to scrap 80% of the company if they DID successfully acquire, because Disney has no interest in tech or media distribution - which includes the only parts of Sony that are actually consistently profitable. The Fox deal only went through because Disney wanted most of Fox's other assets, not solely because of the Marvel elements (Disney would have been content to let the Fantastic Four and X-Men rot there forever if that was all that was on the table).

As long as Sony is willing to work with Disney, both sides are making money. Assuming they can rein in their greed, there's no reason that arrangement can't last perpetually.



Zangulus posted...
Theyve tried. Sony isnt giving it up. I want to know how much Disney ended up paying just to get 4 movies worth of Spidey.

Probably not much - the whole point of that deal was that Disney would help Sony produce Spider-Man movies tied to the MCU so Sony would profit from the deal, while Marvel in-turn could use Spider-Man.

It's more of a profit-sharing agreement than one side buying concessions from the other.


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dioxxys
10/09/18 8:32:12 PM
#34:


Critics reviews bombed the film

Viewersseem to like it however
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rexcrk
10/09/18 9:22:06 PM
#35:


Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...

Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.
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Revelation34
10/10/18 2:46:53 AM
#36:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
This.

People think hostile takeovers are easier than they are because they don't really understand them, and because TV shows and movies make them seem kind of common, but they're pretty hard to pull off successfully. And tend to cost a LOT of money, and can damage company PR. It's an investment Disney probably wouldn't be willing to make over a single character (that, from their perspective, they don't even really necessarily NEED - especially since they're still making money off all Spider-Man merchandising and non-film projects).

Yes, Disney is one of the most powerful corporations on Earth economically, legally, and politically, but at the end of the day, it takes a LOT of effort to drag down a company as large as Sony. Remember, Vivendi is a huge media company, and they failed in their recent attempted takeover of Ubisoft.

And when it comes down to it, Disney would have to scrap 80% of the company if they DID successfully acquire, because Disney has no interest in tech or media distribution - which includes the only parts of Sony that are actually consistently profitable. The Fox deal only went through because Disney wanted most of Fox's other assets, not solely because of the Marvel elements (Disney would have been content to let the Fantastic Four and X-Men rot there forever if that was all that was on the table).

As long as Sony is willing to work with Disney, both sides are making money. Assuming they can rein in their greed, there's no reason that arrangement can't last perpetually.


Sony makes way too much money from their other movies for it to happen too. If anything if they just wanted Sony would probably just sell that part and keep everything else since they would make more money from video games in the long run.

rexcrk posted...
Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


She was literally the only person who pronounced it like that in any Spiderman related media.
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Krazy_Kirby
10/10/18 7:11:23 AM
#37:


rexcrk posted...
Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...

Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


thats not a different way of pronunciation, it's simply incorrect.
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Mead
10/10/18 8:03:46 AM
#39:


Who the hell paid to see this movie
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Kyuubi4269
10/10/18 8:11:35 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
thats not a different way of pronunciation, it's simply incorrect.

It's a legitimate way of pronouncing the word, what with it being symbiote.
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rexcrk
10/10/18 9:03:39 AM
#41:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
rexcrk posted...
Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...

Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


thats not a different way of pronunciation, it's simply incorrect.

Nah. Lots of people pronounce different things in different ways
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Nichtcrawler X
10/10/18 10:06:17 AM
#43:


rexcrk posted...
Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


All it takes for me to lose all my interest of seeing it in cinema? Yes.
Will just wait for Netflix or TV, especially if they keep spouting this nonsense of it not being in the MCU.
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rexcrk
10/10/18 12:57:02 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
rexcrk posted...
Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


All it takes for me to lose all my interest of seeing it in cinema? Yes.
Will just wait for Netflix or TV, especially if they keep spouting this nonsense of it not being in the MCU.

wow
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ernieforss
10/10/18 1:56:57 PM
#45:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
thats not a different way of pronunciation, it's simply incorrect.

It's a legitimate way of pronouncing the word, what with it being symbiote.


it come from the word symbiotic or symbiosis. it's "be" not "bi"
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Revelation34
10/10/18 2:44:44 PM
#46:


Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's a legitimate way of pronouncing the word, what with it being symbiote.


Marvel invented the word so it isn't.
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rogerskg1979
10/10/18 5:54:49 PM
#47:


Revelation34 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's a legitimate way of pronouncing the word, what with it being symbiote.


Marvel invented the word so it isn't.


I hope you're just trying to be funny. Marvel certainly didn't invent the word.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/symbiote

What's next? Do you think Marvel actually created the characters of Odin, Thor and Loki? lol
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Lobomoon
10/10/18 6:34:16 PM
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According to the latest comics "klyntar" means "cage" in Symbiot language so they retconing the whole thing now.
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AllstarSniper32
10/10/18 9:01:11 PM
#49:


rexcrk posted...
Nichtcrawler X posted...
I just remember Sym-bye-otes from the first trailer and going nope and just turning it of and not really caring about the movie anymore after that...

Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.

I think they corrected the pronunciation.
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Nade Duck
10/10/18 9:25:58 PM
#50:


Nichtcrawler X posted...
rexcrk posted...
Thats all it takes? Someone pronouncing a word in a different way?

Really?

Huh.


All it takes for me to lose all my interest of seeing it in cinema? Yes.
Will just wait for Netflix or TV, especially if they keep spouting this nonsense of it not being in the MCU.

could you please spell anime for me?
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Revelation34
10/11/18 1:02:24 AM
#51:


rogerskg1979 posted...
I hope you're just trying to be funny. Marvel certainly didn't invent the word.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/symbiote

What's next? Do you think Marvel actually created the characters of Odin, Thor and Loki? lol


Use a real dictionary.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&filter=dictionary&query=symbiote
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