Poll of the Day > When is America gunna abolish slavery?

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Lokarin 10/03/18 8:53:59 PM #1:	and by that I mean indentured servitude of prisoners... which IS slavery --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909914222] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>and by that I mean indentured servitude of prisoners... which IS slavery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 10/03/18 9:04:34 PM #2:	they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:909914809] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
do_ob_tpkillr 10/03/18 9:05:55 PM #3:	ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary Username checks out <cite>do_ob_tpkillr posted [p:909914886] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> Username checks out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:12:20 PM #4:	ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909915210] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/03/18 9:14:32 PM #5:	Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:909915340] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 10/03/18 9:15:42 PM #6:	When the workers seize the means of production. --- Judge, Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. You're a regular Jack Kerouac <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:909915405] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>When the workers seize the means of production.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:16:50 PM #7:	Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909915465] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:43:49 PM #9:	And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909916936] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/03/18 9:48:26 PM #10:	Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again. Says the guy ignoring that the work is voluntary. Lokarin posted... And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it. ...volunteering and voluntary aren't the same thing. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:909917163] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again.</quote> Says the guy ignoring that the work is voluntary. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it.</quote> ...volunteering and voluntary aren't the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/03/18 9:49:29 PM #11:	It's the economics of it all. --- "Men have to restrain themselves around other men to avoid an outright punch out"- Kyuubi4269 9/17/18 PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:909917220] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>It's the economics of it all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:50:57 PM #12:	Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again. Says the guy ignoring that the work is voluntary. Lokarin posted... And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it. ...volunteering and voluntary aren't the same thing. If it's truly voluntary, then removing mention of prisoners from the 13th amendment shouldn't affect them --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909917314] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> In isolation, of course; you're ignoring the context... again.</quote> Says the guy ignoring that the work is voluntary. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>And on top of that - If they truly are volunteering, then removing the prisoner slavery clause of the 13th amendment wouldn't affect them and you'd have no problem with removing it.</quote> ...volunteering and voluntary aren't the same thing.</quote> If it's truly voluntary, then removing mention of prisoners from the 13th amendment shouldn't affect them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 10/03/18 9:54:01 PM #13:	Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves They're also being paid with reduced sentences which is better than any pay of you ask me <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:909917498] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> They're also being paid with reduced sentences which is better than any pay of you ask me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/03/18 9:54:03 PM #14:	You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:909917501] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:57:08 PM #15:	Zeus posted... You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners. THEREFOR, no problem adjusting the 13th amendment to remove them --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909917676] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners.</quote> THEREFOR, no problem adjusting the 13th amendment to remove them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 10/03/18 9:58:09 PM #16:	The American prison system is fucked but the average citizen gets a huge judgementboner from seeing people fail time and time again in a system that has a 75% turnover rate for a future imprisonment. Rehabilitation is clearly the superior system (see Norway), but "we can't treat criminals like people! Treating them like people is how they commit more crimes!" Bunch of fuckin' smoothbrains. <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:909917721] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>The American prison system is fucked but the average citizen gets a huge judgementboner from seeing people fail time and time again in a system that has a 75% turnover rate for a future imprisonment. Rehabilitation is clearly the superior system (see Norway), but "we can't treat criminals like people! Treating them like people is how they commit more crimes!" Bunch of fuckin' smoothbrains.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 9:59:28 PM #17:	GanglyKhan posted... smoothbrains. Did you know the Koala has the most smoothbrain of all animals? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909917795] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote>smoothbrains.</quote> Did you know the Koala has the most smoothbrain of all animals?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BADoglick 10/03/18 10:00:23 PM #18:	Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain --- BADoglick to the Max! <cite>BADoglick posted [p:909917853] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 10/03/18 10:01:06 PM #19:	Lokarin posted... GanglyKhan posted... smoothbrains. Did you know the Koala has the most smoothbrain of all animals? Not surprising. Don't the leaves off of the gum trees destroy their teeth? lol <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:909917889] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote>smoothbrains.</quote> Did you know the Koala has the most smoothbrain of all animals?</quote> Not surprising. Don't the leaves off of the gum trees destroy their teeth? lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 10/03/18 10:06:21 PM #20:	BADoglick posted... Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain Literally they're both voluntary. You 100% do not have to work if you are in prison or jail. It's not part of sentencing and it can't be used as a punitive measure. <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:909918178] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>BADoglick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain</quote> Literally they're both voluntary. You 100% do not have to work if you are in prison or jail. It's not part of sentencing and it can't be used as a punitive measure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/03/18 10:08:36 PM #21:	GanglyKhan posted... The American prison system is fucked but the average citizen gets a huge judgementboner from seeing people fail time and time again in a system that has a 75% turnover rate for a future imprisonment. Rehabilitation is clearly the superior system (see Norway), but "we can't treat criminals like people! Treating them like people is how they commit more crimes!" Bunch of fuckin' smoothbrains. While the US is horrible when it comes to rehab, I'm not sure Norway's system would necessarily deliver the desired results either. That said, the LEAST we could do is put drug users into rehab instead of prison and curtail minimum sentencing laws to get them down to a more reasonable sentence. BADoglick posted... Zeus posted... Lokarin posted... ASlaveObeys posted... they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves. One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain ...he says while not using his. Both are voluntary, but prisoners see more tangible benefits. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:909918298] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote>The American prison system is fucked but the average citizen gets a huge judgementboner from seeing people fail time and time again in a system that has a 75% turnover rate for a future imprisonment. Rehabilitation is clearly the superior system (see Norway), but "we can't treat criminals like people! Treating them like people is how they commit more crimes!" Bunch of fuckin' smoothbrains.</quote> While the US is horrible when it comes to rehab, I'm not sure Norway's system would necessarily deliver the desired results either. That said, the LEAST we could do is put drug users into rehab instead of prison and curtail minimum sentencing laws to get them down to a more reasonable sentence. <cite>BADoglick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote>they get paid and they get time off their sentences (it's called good time). It's also completely voluntary</quote> If they aren't being paid the legal minimum wage, they are slaves</quote> That's not how slavery works by any stretch of the imagination. Otherwise Gamefaqs mods would all be slaves.</quote> One is voluntary. One is not. Come on man use your brain</quote> ...he says while not using his. Both are voluntary, but prisoners see more tangible benefits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rogerskg1979 10/03/18 10:20:39 PM #22:	Zeus posted... You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners. Yeah, most, if not all, tip-based jobs are exempt from minimum wage. Waiters/waitresses typically are only paid a couple dollars per hour from their employer. The majority of their income comes from tips. <cite>rogerskg1979 posted [p:909918942] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You're aware that other groups are exempt from the minimum wage, right? It's not just prisoners.</quote> Yeah, most, if not all, tip-based jobs are exempt from minimum wage. Waiters/waitresses typically are only paid a couple dollars per hour from their employer. The majority of their income comes from tips.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 10/03/18 10:30:06 PM #23:	Zeus posted... While the US is horrible when it comes to rehab, I'm not sure Norway's system would necessarily deliver the desired results either. That said, the LEAST we could do is put drug users into rehab instead of prison and curtail minimum sentencing laws to get them down to a more reasonable sentence. That's really quite fair and easily achieveable. I know I get super heated up about this issue because it's like, why don't people understand "treat people poorly, they behave poorly." And spending money to hire counselors is much better in the long run than shelling out $20,000 per prisoner annually for living costs, especially when so many are in for drug related causes. <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:909919451] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> While the US is horrible when it comes to rehab, I'm not sure Norway's system would necessarily deliver the desired results either. That said, the LEAST we could do is put drug users into rehab instead of prison and curtail minimum sentencing laws to get them down to a more reasonable sentence. </quote> That's really quite fair and easily achieveable. I know I get super heated up about this issue because it's like, why don't people understand "treat people poorly, they behave poorly." And spending money to hire counselors is much better in the long run than shelling out $20,000 per prisoner annually for living costs, especially when so many are in for drug related causes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 10/03/18 10:43:10 PM #24:	They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:909920128] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 10:48:25 PM #25:	TyVulpine posted... They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago. Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909920380] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago.</quote> Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 10/03/18 10:50:55 PM #26:	Lokarin posted... TyVulpine posted... They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago. Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment If youre in prison, youre not there on vacation. Youre there for a reason. You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason. The 13th amendment doesnt apply, as it was designed to free the slaves of the Confederate states (they werent freed in states loyal to the Union yet). --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:909920493] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago.</quote> Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment</quote> If youre in prison, youre not there on vacation. Youre there for a reason. You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason. The 13th amendment doesnt apply, as it was designed to free the slaves of the Confederate states (they werent freed in states loyal to the Union yet).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 10:54:52 PM #27:	That's very inhuman --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909920664] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>That's very inhuman</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LustyBustyLaura 10/03/18 10:57:20 PM #28:	I dont think prisoners should ever be forced to work, but I wouldnt call them working on the sides of the road slavery. <cite>LustyBustyLaura posted [p:909920770] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>I dont think prisoners should ever be forced to work, but I wouldnt call them working on the sides of the road slavery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 11:01:31 PM #29:	LustyBustyLaura posted... I dont think prisoners should ever be forced to work, but I wouldnt call them working on the sides of the road slavery. Again, if that doesn't count as slavery... removing the mention of prisoners from the 13th amendment shouldn't affect them and should be a good thing --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909920976] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>LustyBustyLaura posted...</cite> <quote>I dont think prisoners should ever be forced to work, but I wouldnt call them working on the sides of the road slavery.</quote> Again, if that doesn't count as slavery... removing the mention of prisoners from the 13th amendment shouldn't affect them and should be a good thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 10/03/18 11:11:39 PM #30:	Lokarin posted... TyVulpine posted... They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago. Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment You keep mentioning the 13th amendment but your points don't fit what you're saying. They aren't working on the side of their road to repay their debt to society. The sentence they got is the debt. They're working on the side of the road to get shortened sentence and some money for canteen. Then can get up to 15 days off a month for working. At best it's wage slavery but it's not what you're talking about. If there are prisons and jails forcing people to work (which I'm sure there are) that's a completely different beast and the amendment being changed could help that, sure get rid of it. <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:909921488] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>They are repaying their debt to society. Besides, todays prisoners have it easy compared to 100-150 years ago.</quote> Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. and they are, since they're still slaves. Again, fix the 13th ammendment</quote> You keep mentioning the 13th amendment but your points don't fit what you're saying. They aren't working on the side of their road to repay their debt to society. The sentence they got is the debt. They're working on the side of the road to get shortened sentence and some money for canteen. Then can get up to 15 days off a month for working. At best it's wage slavery but it's not what you're talking about. If there are prisons and jails forcing people to work (which I'm sure there are) that's a completely different beast and the amendment being changed could help that, sure get rid of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fierce_Deity_08 10/03/18 11:14:23 PM #31:	I heard that in some places prisoners get small wages that get either saved up or they can use it to buy small trinkets like cigarettes or other things. --- Official Fierce Deity in my own mind. GT: OnikaraStar, PSN: Onikara, NNID: OnikaraStar <cite>Fierce_Deity_08 posted [p:909921646] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>I heard that in some places prisoners get small wages that get either saved up or they can use it to buy small trinkets like cigarettes or other things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 11:16:17 PM #32:	So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners... --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909921738] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 10/03/18 11:23:30 PM #33:	Lokarin posted... So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners... Why the fuck would I care about that? Why would anyone? <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:909922091] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners...</quote> Why the fuck would I care about that? Why would anyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 11:25:29 PM #34:	ASlaveObeys posted... Lokarin posted... So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners... Why the fuck would I care about that? Why would anyone? That's the main argument I'm making, and this is in reference to Kanye West saying it --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909922173] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASlaveObeys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners...</quote> Why the fuck would I care about that? Why would anyone?</quote> That's the main argument I'm making, and this is in reference to Kanye West saying it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASlaveObeys 10/03/18 11:28:00 PM #35:	You didn't make it until well into the topic. You present your case poorly. Also Kanye, much like yourself, doesn't seem to actually know what he is talking about. A better argument would be that the wording in the amendment opens up potential abuse of inmates. But as of law and policies regulated by the government you cannot make an inmate work against their will or punitively. <cite>ASlaveObeys posted [p:909922311] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>You didn't make it until well into the topic. You present your case poorly. Also Kanye, much like yourself, doesn't seem to actually know what he is talking about. A better argument would be that the wording in the amendment opens up potential abuse of inmates. But as of law and policies regulated by the government you cannot make an inmate work against their will or punitively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/03/18 11:29:26 PM #36:	It's right in the title - it's the last remaining piece of slavery, and apparently since it's not in actual effect... there's no reason not to abolish it. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909922393] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>It's right in the title - it's the last remaining piece of slavery, and apparently since it's not in actual effect... there's no reason not to abolish it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 10/03/18 11:35:30 PM #37:	Whenever you want to engineer us some robots to do the dirty work. Well, that'll happen in Europe. The US won't do that. Canada might. <cite>Yellow posted [p:909922666] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>Whenever you want to engineer us some robots to do the dirty work. Well, that'll happen in Europe. The US won't do that. Canada might.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 10/03/18 11:47:14 PM #38:	TyVulpine posted... You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason. Tell me how blowing through my tax dollars is paying back society. Tell me how an institution that does nothing to actually correct behavior and only delays it from occuring again is "paying it back." <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:909923198] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason.</quote> Tell me how blowing through my tax dollars is paying back society. Tell me how an institution that does nothing to actually correct behavior and only delays it from occuring again is "paying it back."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 10/04/18 12:25:58 AM #39:	Lokarin posted... So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners... Maybe you should and read the 13th Amendment. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Meaning the 13th Amendment specifically allows for punishment for crimes, and thus prisons arent slavery. --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:909924942] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners...</quote> Maybe you should and read the 13th Amendment. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Meaning the 13th Amendment specifically allows for punishment for crimes, and thus prisons arent slavery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 10/04/18 12:28:30 AM #40:	GanglyKhan posted... TyVulpine posted... You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason. Tell me how blowing through my tax dollars is paying back society. Tell me how an institution that does nothing to actually correct behavior and only delays it from occuring again is "paying it back." Cleaning up the sides of highways at a cheaper rate than having some company do it (prisoners are paid for work, but still cheaper than using taxpayers money to hire a company to do it) --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:909925039] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>GanglyKhan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote>You did something wrong, and you are expected to repay society for your crime. Prison is not supposed to be fun, its called hard time for a reason.</quote> Tell me how blowing through my tax dollars is paying back society. Tell me how an institution that does nothing to actually correct behavior and only delays it from occuring again is "paying it back."</quote> Cleaning up the sides of highways at a cheaper rate than having some company do it (prisoners are paid for work, but still cheaper than using taxpayers money to hire a company to do it)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/04/18 12:28:48 AM #41:	TyVulpine posted... Lokarin posted... So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners... Maybe you should and read the 13th Amendment. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Meaning the 13th Amendment specifically allows for punishment for crimes, and thus prisons arent slavery. Wanna try rereading the part where it literally says it can use slavery as punishment for crimes. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909925048] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>TyVulpine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>So you have no objection to removing mentions of prisoners...</quote> Maybe you should and read the 13th Amendment. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Meaning the 13th Amendment specifically allows for punishment for crimes, and thus prisons arent slavery.</quote> Wanna try rereading the part where it literally says it can use slavery as punishment for crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/04/18 12:29:51 AM #42:	Fierce_Deity_08 posted... I heard that in some places prisoners get small wages that get either saved up or they can use it to buy small trinkets like cigarettes or other things. Not cigs as far as I'm aware cigs are banned in prison nation wide. Other than that yeah they earn money doing jobs and they can buy stuff like junk food and other things. They don't get paid much BUT the prices of items they can buy are also drastically cheaper than what we pay for the same items. Think I was told prisons have a deal with certain companies to obtain their products for little more than what it costs to make and transport it to them. Plus consider all the free things they get. Free healthcare, free tv, free 3 meals a day etc. Its almost no wonder some people make it a point to spend their life in prison. That actually does happen according to my teacher from when I took criminal justice classes. She was a ex prison guard. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:909925097] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fierce_Deity_08 posted...</cite> <quote>I heard that in some places prisoners get small wages that get either saved up or they can use it to buy small trinkets like cigarettes or other things.</quote> Not cigs as far as I'm aware cigs are banned in prison nation wide. Other than that yeah they earn money doing jobs and they can buy stuff like junk food and other things. They don't get paid much BUT the prices of items they can buy are also drastically cheaper than what we pay for the same items. Think I was told prisons have a deal with certain companies to obtain their products for little more than what it costs to make and transport it to them. Plus consider all the free things they get. Free healthcare, free tv, free 3 meals a day etc. Its almost no wonder some people make it a point to spend their life in prison. That actually does happen according to my teacher from when I took criminal justice classes. She was a ex prison guard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/04/18 12:38:08 AM #43:	Lokarin posted... and by that I mean indentured servitude of prisoners... which IS slavery You use that term yet my family can't claim they had been slaves even though indentured servitude is how some of us got into this country. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:909925395] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>and by that I mean indentured servitude of prisoners... which IS slavery</quote> You use that term yet my family can't claim they had been slaves even though indentured servitude is how some of us got into this country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/04/18 12:41:38 AM #44:	Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation? --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:909925554] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/04/18 12:43:47 AM #45:	arg, i hate when my topics are touching... ima have a nap. -Summary: Ban slavery -Alt+Left Summary: If you don't wanna ban slavery then you're an oppressor! --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:909925633] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>arg, i hate when my topics are touching... ima have a nap. -Summary: Ban slavery -Alt+Left Summary: If you don't wanna ban slavery then you're an oppressor!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 10/04/18 12:48:33 AM #46:	Mead posted... Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation? I'm all for doing away with for profit prisons. And any jobs that get taken away from the prisoners as a result could be offered to local welfare recipients (the ones who are able to work) --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:909925778] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation?</quote> I'm all for doing away with for profit prisons. And any jobs that get taken away from the prisoners as a result could be offered to local welfare recipients (the ones who are able to work)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/09/18 3:25:43 PM #47:	Lokarin posted... Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago. No, they probably wouldn't, especially because slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. Lokarin posted... It's right in the title - it's the last remaining piece of slavery, and apparently since it's not in actual effect... there's no reason not to abolish it. It's not a piece of slavery and prisoner labor is voluntary. The involuntary labor as punishment for a crime refers not to prisoners but to people sentenced to do community service and, in effect, that's ALSO voluntary because it's in lieu of prison. Mead posted... Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation? The "profits" from prisoners never comes close to fully offsetting the cost of running prisons. Given how expensive incarceration is, it's pretty much impossible to even theoretically use prison labor to turn a net profit for a prison. Instead, it just reduces some of the expense. As for for-profit prisons, they make their money from the state and attempt to turn a profit by find ways to save on operational costs. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:910240553] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Irrelevant. SLAVES today would have it better than 100-150 years ago.</quote> No, they probably wouldn't, especially because slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>It's right in the title - it's the last remaining piece of slavery, and apparently since it's not in actual effect... there's no reason not to abolish it.</quote> It's not a piece of slavery and prisoner labor is voluntary. The involuntary labor as punishment for a crime refers not to prisoners but to people sentenced to do community service and, in effect, that's ALSO voluntary because it's in lieu of prison. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Im totally ok with prisoners working and being productive/learning skills if they want to But obviously once prisons start turning a profit off of that labor its a recipe for corruption and exploitation. Maybe prisons should be able to earn money to take care of operating costs but at a certain point funds should go to the local/federal government to offset taxpayer money used for incarnation?</quote> The "profits" from prisoners never comes close to fully offsetting the cost of running prisons. Given how expensive incarceration is, it's pretty much impossible to even theoretically use prison labor to turn a net profit for a prison. Instead, it just reduces some of the expense. As for for-profit prisons, they make their money from the state and attempt to turn a profit by find ways to save on operational costs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 10/09/18 3:36:05 PM #48:	Zeus posted... slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. Nothing the US government is doing to its middle class working force can be considered humane. --- "Men have to restrain themselves around other men to avoid an outright punch out"- Kyuubi4269 9/17/18 PSN - SunWuKung420 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:910241162] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. </quote> Nothing the US government is doing to its middle class working force can be considered humane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 10/09/18 3:37:20 PM #49:	SunWuKung420 posted... Zeus posted... slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. Nothing the US government is doing to its middle class working force can be considered humane. But feel free to elaborate. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:910241229] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>slavery is predicated on treating people inhumanely. </quote> Nothing the US government is doing to its middle class working force can be considered humane.</quote> But feel free to elaborate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 10/09/18 3:39:28 PM #50:	I haven't read all the topic, but it's not voluntary in all prisons. I was roommates for a few days that spent 9 years in prison, a few months in a federal one and the rest in a state ran prison. He told me that the work was completely voluntary in the federal one, but absolutely mandatory in the state one. They still paid them the shitty wages, but they couldn't opt out of working. --- There are more than two genders, try to change my mind <cite>lihlih posted [p:910241325] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote>I haven't read all the topic, but it's not voluntary in all prisons. I was roommates for a few days that spent 9 years in prison, a few months in a federal one and the rest in a state ran prison. He told me that the work was completely voluntary in the federal one, but absolutely mandatory in the state one. They still paid them the shitty wages, but they couldn't opt out of working.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 10/09/18 3:40:28 PM #51:	Zeus posted... it's pretty much impossible to even theoretically use prison labor to turn a net profit for a prison. Uhh, it's basically the world's most efficient apartment complex and, as long as the prisoners are worked properly, at the most extortionate rates. If you can't turn a profit in that circumstance, you're Trump. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:910241375] in When is Am... [t:77065101]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>it's pretty much impossible to even theoretically use prison labor to turn a net profit for a prison.</quote> Uhh, it's basically the world's most efficient apartment complex and, as long as the prisoners are worked properly, at the most extortionate rates. If you can't turn a profit in that circumstance, you're Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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