Board 8 > You are king of your nation for a day. What 3 executive orders do you decree?

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My three (for the USA) are:
1. Require all hospitals, clinics, and medical providers to become non-profit within a period of two and a half to three years or face heavy taxes that would evaporate all profited income and then some. This would prevent hospitals from trying to shortchange people from necessary procedures for sustenance of life - they would merely need to cover the operating costs and those alone. This would help resolve many people's financial issues, increase access to good health, and improve the quality of life for those with illnesses.

2. Mandate a four-day work week with the same overall pay despite a drop to 34 hours (8.5 hour-days), which includes a built-in 30 minute lunch. This would improve productivity, reduce accidents, make employees happier, and improve the economy as people would be able to have more time to do the things they want to do. A small increase in pay would further help bolster the economy.

3. Abolish political partisanship outright, effective immediately, to eventually allow for free thinking and remove the toxicity of the current political climate. Elections would have a primary on a single day based on the popular vote with the top three advancing; the final Presidential Election would use the Electoral College with Electoral Votes - figurative ones, as electors would be a thing of the past - being split up based on popular vote for all states with 10+. Smaller totals would be winner-take-all, therefore meaning that every state matters. By removing partisanship from elections, candidates will have to stand for their own beliefs, not those of a phantom party, and people's intelligence would improve if they had to learn to think for themselves.

I think these three things would fix the biggest cultural problems in America. What would you do for your country?
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KujikawaRising posted...

Mandate a four-day work week with the same overall pay despite a drop to 34 hours (8.5 hour-days), which includes a built-in 30 minute lunch. This would improve productivity, reduce accidents, make employees happier, and improve the economy as people would be able to have more time to do the things they want to do. A small increase in pay would further help bolster the economy.

so I close my business for 1 day a "work week" thus making no money and losing time to take care of important deals yet I still pay my employees as if I was open and running full steam? oh and you want a raise?

millenials...
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Obellisk posted...

so I close my business for 1 day a "work week" thus making no money and losing time to take care of important deals yet I still pay my employees as if I was open and running full steam? oh and you want a raise?

Actually, that idea started with Nixon because he saw happier employees as good for business. You were saying?
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KujikawaRising posted...

Obellisk posted...

so I close my business for 1 day a "work week" thus making no money and losing time to take care of important deals yet I still pay my employees as if I was open and running full steam? oh and you want a raise?

Actually, that idea started with Nixon because he saw happier employees as good for business. You were saying?

my employees should be happy to have a job and to be doing what they love. if they dont thats not my problem its theirs and there are plenty of other highly qualified candidates that can fill the position.

You are asking to be paid 40 hours worth of pay for 34 hours worth of work and on top of that a raise. so you want a free $xxx.xx dollars every week and MORE.

You are not entitled to free money. Earn your living.
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LOL, your misinformation is ridiculous.

You do realize that making people work 40 hours means they get LESS done than they would at 34 hours, right?

You do realize that by saying your employees should "be happy to have a job" means you don't give a shit about their happiness and well-being, right?

It's people with an attitude like yours that messed this country up in the first place.
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if you dont like your job get one you like. I'd you dont like it no amount of good bosses is going to make you feel better
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Just going to drop this here.

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tough choice but probably...

1) green new deal
2) completely eliminate the senate, a completely anti-democratic institution leaving the legislative branch to be only the house. (assuming this is possible as well) mandatory redrawing of districts to reduce gerrymandering.
3) end all foreign wars, close all foreign military bases, and reduce the military budget to focus on merely defense

1.) Free Slurpees
2.) End Racism
3.) Nuke everything
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and of course #4 would be send Obellisk to the gulag and take his business and give it to his workers to control democratically

1) Make ROMs legal
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Obellisk posted...

You are not entitled to free money.

But you're entitled to cheap labor??
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Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...

You are not entitled to free money.

But you're entitled to cheap labor??

No one said anything about cheap labor.

You are being paid fairly for the work you do. Now you want to work 1 day LESS every week yet still be paid as if you were working a full 5 days. You are asking for FREE money and on top of that also looking for a raise.

How do you not see something wrong with that?
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Jakyl25 posted...

1.) Free Slurpees
2.) End Racism
3.) Nuke everything

Ugh don't nuke the Slurpees, we just got them :(
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The nukes will cure the brain freeze
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It is up to businesses to schedule themselves as they see fit.

Now, many companies allow people to take 4 10 hour days instead of 5 8 hour days. This works well. We dont need to necessarily reduce hourly workflow, just redistribute it.

It would be nice to arrive at a world where people can work less, though.
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1. Kill them all
2. Resurrect them all
3. Kill them all again
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Now, many companies allow people to take 4 10 hour days instead of 5 8 hour days. This works well. We dont need to necessarily reduce hourly workflow, just redistribute it.

I support this idea just fine. a 40 hour work week over 4 days, but not a 34 hour work week over 4 days with a 40 hour pay check.
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1) Fix Healthcare And make it guaranteed to everyone, moving it from private to public sector

2) End War on Drugs and fix the prison incarceration system, abolish private prisons, forgive victims of war on drugs and legalize drugs and give them free treatment plans if they wish to seek them

3) Make me king for the next day. >_>
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Obellisk posted...

Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...

You are not entitled to free money.

But you're entitled to cheap labor??

No one said anything about cheap labor.

You are being paid fairly for the work you do. Now you want to work 1 day LESS every week yet still be paid as if you were working a full 5 days. You are asking for FREE money and on top of that also looking for a raise.

How do you not see something wrong with that?

Actually right now you're just paying employees for only 4 days even though they work 5, so this would just make it fair. How do you see anything wrong with that?
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Kenri posted...

Actually right now you're just paying employees for only 4 days even though they work 5, so this would just make it fair. How do you see anything wrong with that?

If i pay you for 8 hours of work and you come to work and work 8 hours. Then i think everything is pretty fair. At what point am i only getting 4 days of work out of a 5 day work week?

Are you implying that there is 8 hours of bullshit that happens on a weekly basis?

Are you also implying that if i change it to a 4 day work week that magically employees wont do the same bullshit they normally do?
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Overhaul the government by ending partisanship, instituting a manditory retirement age for members of Congress, numerous anti-corruption laws, rebuild the public education system, create and enforce common sense gun law, and jail the current administration for gross incompetence.

Overhaul the economy by removing funding for colleges that offer tenure, rebuilding unions so they can no longer defend the worst workers, triple taxes on for-profit hospitals while reducing them for non-profits, and ordering a thorough audit on all corporations.

Overhaul society by making bigotry illegal and punishable, putting subversive groups like the KKK, Nazi Party of America, everyone at the "Unite the Right" rally, etc on terror watchlists, demolish every non-historical CSA statue and put monuments to the men who perished in the Civil War, etc.

Annoint myself benevolent dictator for life and proceed to implement numerous important things like renaming the position for Judge to Gnome King and such.
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Obellisk posted...

Are you implying that there is 8 hours of bullshit that happens on a weekly basis?

There is. Simply put, working 40 hours across five days a week is too much. Since going from 35 to 40 hours, I have noticed a significant drop in my productivity and a sharp increase in feelings of exhaustion and boredom - I no longer have any desire to work my very best, but rather just enough to keep my job. Back when I was at 30 hours, I worked like mad. At 35, that was still true and I got more done. But once I hit 40, I started getting about 25-28 hours of work done at the same pace I was at 30. Why do you think that is?

The thought that "more hours means you work more" is absurd. People aren't meant to keep their nose to the grindstone for so long. Without proper recuperation, recreation, and relaxation, it drops their productivity, reduces happiness, and makes them less healthy both mentally and physically. It's scientifically proven that Europeans are happier and healthier than Americans because they work less - and yet, they get more done. They also drink alcohol as part of a meal rather than to get drunk because life sucks. They're less reliant on caffeine. And their countries have better economies, too. Why do you think that might be?

If you reduced to 34 hours a week without reducing pay, your employees would be happier, healthier, more productive, and loyal to you.
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KujikawaRising posted...

There is. Simply put, working 40 hours across five days a week is too much. Since going from 35 to 40 hours, I have noticed a significant drop in my productivity and a sharp increase in feelings of exhaustion and boredom - I no longer have any desire to work my very best, but rather just enough to keep my job. Back when I was at 30 hours, I worked like mad. At 35, that was still true and I got more done. But once I hit 40, I started getting about 25-28 hours of work done at the same pace I was at 30. Why do you think that is?

This sounds like a personal problem and you should be fired.
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Obellisk posted...

If i pay you for 8 hours of work

i'm trying to make you understand that this is not a universally constant amount that you can expect to never ever change

Obellisk posted...

Are you implying that there is 8 hours of bullshit that happens on a weekly basis?

I don't know what your business is but probably. Anyway studies show that people basically peak out on productivity after like 4-5 hours a day so whatever, if you want to be a boss of underpaid, overworked, unproductive employees -- your prerogative.
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Obellisk posted...

This sounds like a personal problem and you should be fired.

It sounds to me like you are pathetic.

I want to work fewer hours and get paid the same so I'm happier and get more done. HOW is that a problem?
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It really depends on the work you're doing almost as much as the hours worked. If you've got a boring job yeah 8 hours a dayx5 is probably a breaking point. A job that is less monotonous, you can easily be productive all those hours and even more if needed.

I think dropping hours as mandatory isn't exactly the right solution though, even for monotonous jobs. I feel like doing things like rotating duties and stuff would matter more. I think government mandated hour reduction is going to stifle possible solutions for employers so yeah I wouldn't support it either, even if I'm not quite of the same mind as Bell here.
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Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...
If i pay you for 8 hours of work

i'm trying to make you understand that this is not a universally constant amount that you can expect to never ever change

I understand that, i'm using 8 hours as the argument, a general rule of thumb is an 8 hour work day. 9 - 5.

Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...
Are you implying that there is 8 hours of bullshit that happens on a weekly basis?

I don't know what your business is but probably. Anyway studies show that people basically peak out on productivity after like 4-5 hours a day so whatever, if you want to be a boss of underpaid, overworked, unproductive employees -- your prerogative.

No one is saying anything about underpaying anyone. You are being paid based on the standard salary for the position in whatever line of work it happens to be. If that, in your opinion, is less than what you should be making for the work you do then you need to take that up with your boss and show them that you are underpaid, overworked and OVERPRODUCTIVE.
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KujikawaRising posted...

Obellisk posted...
This sounds like a personal problem and you should be fired.

It sounds to me like you are pathetic.

I want to work fewer hours and get paid the same so I'm happier and get more done. HOW is that a problem?

And this is where the argument ends.
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Maybe we should go back to people being expected to work 10-12 hours per day for 6 days per week. Those people wanting 40 hours, which was often because of concerns about "overwork", were just lazy. Better technology requiring people to work less? Lazy. They should be fired. All of them. And now people want 35 hours? 30? Less? Like in other countries that aren't like America or Japan? Hah! Millennials, I swear! Generation Z better not be as entitled to think that they should earn a decent living while working decent hours. And people still say that technology means you need to work less. No way, the American way is to work hard, all the time, for the least pay possible, so I can increase my profits.

That's the American dream!
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SBell, what were the results of your last employee engagement survey? Were employees engaged, happy, and committed to their employment at your business? Given your attitude, I doubt it. You do not understand why because of your dated line of thinking. You lack understanding of your employees and instead try to beat them into cogs in a machine, thus making them unhappy and far more likely to want to get the hell out of there. Those feelings have negative effects on their work.

I guarantee you if you made it 34 hours a week without reducing overall pay, you'll be able to retain your star employees. They'll be like "Wow. I'm getting paid this much, I get three days off a week, and I have a job I like? This is a dream." A more progressive, empathetic attitude will help your business succeed more. Your employees will be much more responsive to you, overall happier, and thus far more productive. Trust me.
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Obellisk posted...

No one is saying anything about underpaying anyone. You are being paid based on the standard salary for the position in whatever line of work it happens to be. If that, in your opinion, is less than what you should be making for the work you do then you need to take that up with your boss and show them that you are underpaid, overworked and OVERPRODUCTIVE.

If someone's underpaid they should be more productive? lmao how fuckin' entitled can you get??

Kenri posted...

But you're entitled to cheap labor??

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Make it that everything that can cost money, cost money
Just to prove a point that not everything need to cost money

Every public restroom, every parking lot, even on the side of the road, everything cost money
Filling air tires too (I am actually shocked to learn some countries do that), asking someone for help in Information stand, drinking fountains in parks, hell even the entrance to the park itself, EVERY PARK

Also every human interaction requires you to give a 10% tip (or 50 cent if you don't pay anything). So you pay extra for the Information desk from earlier. You also pay for the guard that check you in the entrance to a building, you tip a store clerk, you tip your doctor, you tip a helpdesk support that help you, you tip everyone

I want to see what happens
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1. Institute prohibition of all alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and all other drugs.
2. Public healthcare for all, no more privatizing or profiteering, including with drug companies.
3. Free pizza on Sundays.
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so you'd completely obliterate the economy and then make it illegal for people to politically affiliate as they see fit

what a great ruler
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Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...

No one is saying anything about underpaying anyone. You are being paid based on the standard salary for the position in whatever line of work it happens to be. If that, in your opinion, is less than what you should be making for the work you do then you need to take that up with your boss and show them that you are underpaid, overworked and OVERPRODUCTIVE.

If someone's underpaid they should be more productive? lmao how fuckin' entitled can you get??

Kenri posted...

But you're entitled to cheap labor??

If you think you are underpaid, speak to your boss about it. Show him/her that others in your field are paid more and that you deserve an increase. If denied then find yourself another job.

No one is saying anything about underpaying people.
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KujikawaRising posted...

SBell, what were the results of your last employee engagement survey? Were employees engaged, happy, and committed to their employment at your business? Given your attitude, I doubt it. You do not understand why because of your dated line of thinking. You lack understanding of your employees and instead try to beat them into cogs in a machine, thus making them unhappy and far more likely to want to get the hell out of there. Those feelings have negative effects on their work.

I was speaking hypothetically. I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be. I am not a workahloic, i just know that there are others depending on me to do my job and to do it well. If you have bad work ethics and do not care about what you do then sure, demand less hours and more pay to still hate what you do.
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Obellisk posted...

I am not a workahloic

Sounds like you should be fired, based on your logic.

Obellisk posted...

If you have bad work ethics and do not care about what you do then sure, demand less hours and more pay to still hate what you do.

I liked my job a lot more when I was working less of it. I also got more done because of that happiness. Do you not see the correlation?
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Obellisk posted...

If you think you are underpaid, speak to your boss about it. Show him/her that others in your field are paid more and that you deserve an increase. If denied then find yourself another job.

What if labor is undervalued across the board, without regard to specific field or position?
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Obellisk posted...

I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be.

I'm sorry your boss exploits you like this, you deserve less hours and probably more pay.
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oh nevermind you're trolling

lol carry on
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Obellisk posted...

I was speaking hypothetically. I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be

What a nerd.
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Lopen posted...

Obellisk posted...

I was speaking hypothetically. I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be

What a nerd.

Its true.
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KujikawaRising posted...

I liked my job a lot more when I was working less of it.

I can't stop laughing.
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Obellisk posted...

KujikawaRising posted...

SBell, what were the results of your last employee engagement survey? Were employees engaged, happy, and committed to their employment at your business? Given your attitude, I doubt it. You do not understand why because of your dated line of thinking. You lack understanding of your employees and instead try to beat them into cogs in a machine, thus making them unhappy and far more likely to want to get the hell out of there. Those feelings have negative effects on their work.

I was speaking hypothetically. I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be. I am not a workahloic, i just know that there are others depending on me to do my job and to do it well. If you have bad work ethics and do not care about what you do then sure, demand less hours and more pay to still hate what you do.

I love you and your strong work ethic. You sir are a good American patriot and you have my respect for giving so much time to your employer. You are the epitome of the American worker and I would love to have you as my employee. You are truly a company man. You have my approval, and I'm sure your company approves of you too. Congratulations.
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Kenri posted...

Obellisk posted...

I am an employee not an employer, I love my industry, I love my job, I love my company, I work hard, 10 hour days, 5 days a week, more if need be.

I'm sorry your boss exploits you like this, you deserve less hours and probably more pay.

Do i deserve more pay? perhaps, and at review time i'm sure it'll be discussed. I have 13 years of experience in my field and just left a company after 10 years working for them because the pay structure was horrible and raises were non-existent. I went out and created my solution, i got a huge increase in pay and i'm happy where i am. I dont feel exploited, I feel valued.
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I think the point is that that way of thinking takes all the responsibility off of crappy bosses or crappy work environments and places it on the worker instead.

"oh, your boss is a jerk?" Change jobs.
"oh, your work environment is poor?" Change jobs.

The solution that you're overlooking is that bosses don't have to be jerks and work environments don't have to be crappy, and maybe those should be the things that change. Just letting another poor soul fill that position and being content with that is a somewhat selfish way to look at things.
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guffguy89 posted...

The solution that you're overlooking is that bosses don't have to be jerks and work environments don't have to be crappy, and maybe those should be the things that change. Just letting another poor soul fill that position and being content with that is a somewhat selfish way to look at things.

Or the boss isn't a jerk and the work environment isn't crappy and you just have a lazy employee who thinks he's entitled to something he doesn't deserve. It works both ways.
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I find generally if the boss's modus operandi is "if you think you deserve a raise ask for one" and is never proactive about giving any that's basically a way for them to be cheap by passing the buck and they're likely the asshole in that scenario.
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