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likehelly
09/26/18 10:49:03 AM
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finally
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slacker03150
09/26/18 11:00:26 AM
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Was Sony stopping g me from dressing like sailor moon before?
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ernieforss
09/26/18 11:06:36 AM
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we already had cross play with final fantasy 14 and street fighter v.
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likehelly
09/26/18 11:13:24 AM
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ernieforss posted...
we already had cross play with final fantasy 14 and street fighter v.

with other consoles, duh.
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keyblader1985
09/26/18 11:14:07 AM
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slacker03150 posted...
Was Sony stopping g me from dressing like sailor moon before?

The collective will of your local community
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Veedrock-
09/26/18 11:42:19 AM
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ernieforss posted...
Sony did it first

Lmfao. Gotta love the instant defense.
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helIy
09/26/18 11:49:32 AM
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Veedrock- posted...
ernieforss posted...
Sony did it first

Lmfao. Gotta love the instant defense.

weird because sony did not do it first.

not ever, and not in the last few generations.
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Mead
09/26/18 11:53:32 AM
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Sony is the one gaming company that finally allowed crossplay between all systems
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ernieforss
09/26/18 12:00:11 PM
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shadowrun had cross play.
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TheWorstPoster
09/26/18 12:05:11 PM
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ernieforss posted...
shadowrun had cross play.


Remember how the game was abandoned when MS learned the hard way that a mediocre PC player can wipe the floor of the best Xbox 360 players, all due to the mouse and keyboard?
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SeahorseCpt89
09/26/18 12:11:59 PM
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I think Counter Strike Global Offensive had it too back on the PS3.

Im surprised it took them this long to allow it again.
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Kyuubi4269
09/26/18 12:14:40 PM
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...
I think Counter Strike Global Offensive had it too back on the PS3.

Im surprised it took them this long to allow it again.

It's like war in Crusader Kings, people only offer white peace if they're sure they're going to lose, so if somebody offers, it's prudent to refuse.
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adjl
09/26/18 12:23:28 PM
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...
I think Counter Strike Global Offensive had it too back on the PS3.

Im surprised it took them this long to allow it again.


That's because the PS3 wasn't on the top of its generation. The PS4's doing notably better than the Xbone, so Sony doesn't feel the need to appeal to anyone that doesn't have a PS4.

That said, the whole thing with Fortnite where using your account on a PS4 would permanently lock you out of ever using it on another console was bullshit. Disallow crossplay if you want, Sony, but don't mess with people's third-party accounts.
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likehelly
09/26/18 12:27:08 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
ernieforss posted...
shadowrun had cross play.


Remember how the game was abandoned when MS learned the hard way that a mediocre PC player can wipe the floor of the best Xbox 360 players, all due to the mouse and keyboard?

remember when gears 4 went pc crossplay and literally no one could tell the difference between who used a controller and who didn't?
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wwinterj25
09/26/18 12:31:50 PM
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*shrugs*
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Hop103
09/26/18 12:33:53 PM
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They were made to play ball. There's no sense in Sony not allowing crossplay when more family friendly Nintendo is allowing it.
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adjl
09/26/18 12:38:37 PM
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It's nothing to do with family-friendliness. It's purely a matter of the PS4 being successful enough that they don't feel the need to bolster their online populations, and they feel confident saying "just buy a PS4 if you want to play with your friends." Sony has a history of getting arrogant when they're ahead (see: charging $600 for the PS3 at launch); the whole cross-play thing is just another example of that.
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ParanoidObsessive
09/26/18 12:51:46 PM
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I still see this as a loss.

I've seen the differences in various communities in some games (most specifically, GTA:O) across multiple consoles and on PC. And I can safely say that I never want to play an online multiplayer game where those communities interact on a regular and unavoidable basis.

Even aside from other considerations, hacking tends to be so bad on PC that it makes GTA:O almost unplayable. I don't want a single one of those chucklefucks within 1000 yards of my game.



adjl posted...
Sony has a history of getting arrogant when they're ahead

All the major companies do.

Sony's arrogance from the PS2 dominance is what gave us the PS3's weaker showing and allowed the Xbox 360 to become as dominant a console as it did. Microsoft's arrogance from being on top with the 360 is what gave us the clusterfuck of the Xbone. Nintendo's arrogance after the success of the NES and SNES is what basically led to the creation of the PS1 in the first place, when they pissed off Sony. And so on.

This isn't even a new thing - Atari's arrogance after the success of the 2600 is a large part of what helped pave the way for the Great Crash of 1983.

It seems like an unwritten rule of the game industry that the better you do in any given generation, the worse you'll fuck up in the next. We have yet to see a major company that seems to learn from the mistakes of the past.



adjl posted...
see: charging $600 for the PS3 at launch

To be fair, they lost that battle, but won the war.

Sony barely gave a shit whether or not the higher cost would cut into console sales for the PS3. The real goal was forcing Blu-Ray tech into the box to force it into the marketplace, to outpace adoption of the HD-DVD format. They basically wanted to leverage their most successful brand to artificially stimulate their other brand, to bank off the potential future earnings of Blu-Ray for years (or decades) to come (and they were STILL pissed off about losing in the Betamax/VHS fight long before, especially since Betamax was technically the better format). The fact that the PS3 didn't sell as well as the PS2 is immaterial - the real victory is that Blu-Ray won and HD-DVD died.

Of course, in the end they kind of got screwed over anyway, as the rise of streaming media and a large segment of the audience being unwilling to give up vanilla DVD at all means they're not selling as many Blu-Rays as they hoped they would... but at the time they saw it as a win.


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Dikitain
09/26/18 12:55:13 PM
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likehelly posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
ernieforss posted...
shadowrun had cross play.


Remember how the game was abandoned when MS learned the hard way that a mediocre PC player can wipe the floor of the best Xbox 360 players, all due to the mouse and keyboard?

remember when gears 4 went pc crossplay and literally no one could tell the difference between who used a controller and who didn't?

Big difference between a 3rd person shooter and a strategy RPG (with a full menu system).

That said, Ico is still an idiot because Shadowrun is turn based and has no time limit, so there would be no real difference other than preference.
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likehelly
09/26/18 1:17:17 PM
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Dikitain posted...

Big difference between a 3rd person shooter and a strategy RPG (with a full menu system).

That said, Ico is still an idiot because Shadowrun is turn based and has no time limit, so there would be no real difference other than preference.

not the shadowrun he's talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(2007_video_game)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtvReO8AUQg" data-time="


it's a first person shooter.
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DirtBasedSoap
09/26/18 1:22:07 PM
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This is so awesome. Cant wait to play Fortnite with my Xbox homies.

Although I just realized party chat isnt gonna work.
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Dikitain
09/26/18 2:40:46 PM
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likehelly posted...
Dikitain posted...

Big difference between a 3rd person shooter and a strategy RPG (with a full menu system).

That said, Ico is still an idiot because Shadowrun is turn based and has no time limit, so there would be no real difference other than preference.

not the shadowrun he's talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(2007_video_game)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtvReO8AUQg" data-time="


it's a first person shooter.

Looks like shit, I can see why I never heard about it (even as a fan of the Shadowrun franchise).
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helIy
09/26/18 2:46:09 PM
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it was decently fun iirc
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Rad_Chad
09/26/18 2:57:41 PM
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i am shocked. i expected them to wait until they botched a console launch then had to kiss major ass
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slacker03150
09/26/18 3:02:55 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...

The collective will of your local community

What does that have to do with Sony and cross play?
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DPsx7
09/26/18 4:14:16 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
Was Sony stopping g me from dressing like sailor moon before?


Hatsune Miku has better outfits.

As for the rest of the topic I don't care about playing with other consoles, my priority would be getting native M/KB support and showing all the controller kiddies what they've been doing wrong for so many years.
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keyblader1985
09/26/18 4:53:27 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
keyblader1985 posted...

The collective will of your local community

What does that have to do with Sony and cross play?

*was. Sentence got cut off.
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slacker03150
09/26/18 5:21:07 PM
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keyblader1985 posted...
was. Sentence got cut off

Well then the will of my local community is weak.

DPsx7 posted...
Hatsune Miku has better outfits.

I don't know about better, but she does have very cute outfits.
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DrYuya
09/26/18 5:30:12 PM
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Microsoft would never have done this if they'd won the console race this gen...or any gen where they were winning in the future
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streamofthesky
09/26/18 5:39:00 PM
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I still don't understand why anyone wanted this. At least anyone w/ a PS4.
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likehelly
09/26/18 7:24:54 PM
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DrYuya posted...
Microsoft would never have done this if they'd won the console race this gen...or any gen where they were winning in the future


they tried setting crossplay up with Sony last gen, too.

even though Sony said no to 360/ps3, they did let the ps2 play final Fantasy 11 with the 360. there were also several titles with 360/pc crossplay.
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likehelly
09/26/18 7:26:23 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
I still don't understand why anyone wanted this. At least anyone w/ a PS4.

crossplay benefits everyone with absolutely no drawbacks.

there should be literally no one that doesn't want to see it happen.
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DPsx7
09/26/18 8:59:59 PM
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likehelly posted...
streamofthesky posted...
I still don't understand why anyone wanted this. At least anyone w/ a PS4.

crossplay benefits everyone with absolutely no drawbacks.

there should be literally no one that doesn't want to see it happen.


Not true if it comes to having to make extra accounts or if it has anything to do with the childish toxic community on XB and Sony being unable to 'protect' people from abuse and harassment. I'm certain there's more to it than linking servers. I dunno that I'd want to play with anyone who chooses PC or XB. Or mobile. Switch and handhelds are cool.
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streamofthesky
09/26/18 9:27:43 PM
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likehelly posted...
streamofthesky posted...
I still don't understand why anyone wanted this. At least anyone w/ a PS4.

crossplay benefits everyone with absolutely no drawbacks.

there should be literally no one that doesn't want to see it happen.

I almost never do multiplayer, and there are many like me, so saying it benefits everyone is already pretty hilarious.
For those who do, now they'll have to deal with the Xbone community. Which, while most of normal and decent people I'm sure, seems to have an overabundance of trash. How many death threats and swattings have originated from Xbox online players now?

PS4 didn't need a larger player base for game, they already have like 80 million players. It's not horrifying that Sony relented to MS's public pressure or anything, this won't make much difference at all ultimately, for PS4 users. But it was hella unnecessary and the amount of whining for this feature has been ridiculous.
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likehelly
09/26/18 9:34:50 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
I almost never do multiplayer, and there are many like me, so saying it benefits everyone is already pretty hilarious.

does it adversely effect you? no, it doesn't.

streamofthesky posted...
For those who do, now they'll have to deal with the Xbone community. Which, while most of normal and decent people I'm sure, seems to have an overabundance of trash. How many death threats and swattings have originated from Xbox online players now?

probably just as many as there have been PS4 related ones. you know, because it IS the larger community, statistically it works out.

streamofthesky posted...
PS4 didn't need a larger player base for game, they already have like 80 million players. It's not horrifying that Sony relented to MS's public pressure or anything, this won't make much difference at all ultimately, for PS4 users. But it was hella unnecessary and the amount of whining for this feature has been ridiculous.

except it literally has nothing to do with playerbase.

it's all about letting two people from two different consoles play together. finally i can play a game on my xbox with my friend who has a PS4. finally i can play a game on my PS4, and then play the same save on my PC, then do the same on my Xbox.

playerbase merging is just whatever.

now the onus is on console manufactures in securing who goes where. this means a heavier reliance on exclusives to draw players to them. not anymore is it "what do my friends have?" because it doesn't matter what they have if you can still just play with them.
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DPsx7
09/26/18 10:08:30 PM
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It could affect us negatively if we need to update or sign up for something. Or for those playing with analogs you'll face a variety of different control schemes.

Lol, no. The overwhelming majority of awful activity comes from XB+CoD. It would have been best to include crossplay with everyone except XB. Leave the cesspool be.

Ok, seriously? Who buys XB for games? WHAT games? Who lets a friend buy XB? If anything this is a pity move by Sony to earn bonus points with the gaming market. If things were flipped this never would happen.
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likehelly
09/26/18 10:13:39 PM
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barely anyone plays cod on xbox, tf are you talking about.

oh, right, you're just spewing your usual bullshit, gotcha.
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Ultima_Dragoon
09/26/18 10:34:24 PM
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likehelly posted...
they tried setting crossplay up with Sony last gen, too.

Not true. Whoever has the lead hates sharing. This is from 2012: https://www.engadget.com/2012/05/31/defiance-could-link-up-an-xbox-360-with-a-ps3-but-cant/

"Trion Global Brand Director Alex Rodberg said that while this cross-platform mingling can be done, it's extremely unlikely that such a thing would ever reach live servers: "Microsoft won't let Sony players play against them."

A Microsoft spokesperson agreed with that sentiment: "We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

Now they do the whole "Hey gamers! Look at Sony being a mean company and not cross-playing! Don't they suck?" and it's just a ploy to make Sony share some of its larger user base with Microsoft and if they don't they look like douche bags.

I'm not disputing that this is good for gamers, but let's not act like Microsoft are good guys here.
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likehelly
09/26/18 10:53:29 PM
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following that article to it's kotaku source reveals this reason as to why

the barrier is a corporate and/or technical incompatibility between the Xbox 360's Xbox Live and Sony's PS3/PSP PlayStation Network.


which is weird, considering you could literally play FF11 with a PS2 on the 360.

that's weird, right?
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DPsx7
09/26/18 10:57:32 PM
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likehelly posted...
barely anyone plays cod on xbox, tf are you talking about.

oh, right, you're just spewing your usual bullshit, gotcha.


That's practically all they have, plus that's all the kiddies want to play. Don't get me wrong I'll be glad to see the day where CoD is gone. But nobody can cover up the disgraceful mess there.

Avoiding bullshit is exactly what we want by denying crossplay with XB.
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likehelly
09/26/18 11:01:50 PM
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you know it's sony that has the exclusivity deal with cod, right?

actually, sony has exclusivity with all of activisions games.

not xbox.
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Veedrock-
09/27/18 1:45:15 AM
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Call of Duty and sports titles not only sell better on Playstation, they're the best selling titles on Playstation. How oblivious does one need to be to pretend JRPGs define Playstation when it's the dudebro hivemind console of this generation. It's just a CoD or FIFA box to a lot of Playstation users.

The pretending that Xbox is all "kiddies" and toxicity while sanctifying Playstation's community is also hilarious. Of course these falsified community reports come from users that admit to not playing multiplayer, but they still somehow know what they're talking about dammit. Again Playstation is the majority console, statistically there's more kids and toxicity on Playstation.

Unironically it's two ponies and self-proclaimed upper echelons of society that are being unpleasant and inciting conflict.
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adjl
09/28/18 9:11:12 AM
#43:


likehelly posted...
following that article to it's kotaku source reveals this reason as to why

the barrier is a corporate and/or technical incompatibility between the Xbox 360's Xbox Live and Sony's PS3/PSP PlayStation Network.


which is weird, considering you could literally play FF11 with a PS2 on the 360.

that's weird, right?


I'm pretty sure "Corporate incompatibility" means something along the lines of "the company doesn't want to do it," in which case it's not weird at all.
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GanglyKhan
09/28/18 10:34:46 AM
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I hate Sony more and more with every passing day. I keep my PS4 out of fucking spite to degrade its use to a streaming machine.
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